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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,996 posts)
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:08 PM Apr 2018

White House: Trump believes he has power to fire Mueller

Source: The Hill


President Trump believes he has the power to fire Robert Mueller as special counsel leading the Russia probe, the White House said Tuesday.

“He certainly believes that he has the power to do so,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

That stance is rejected by many legal experts, who say Trump does not have the power to fire Mueller directly. Under Justice Department regulations, that authority falls to to the department official in charge of the investigation — in this case, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Mueller has returned to the center of Trump's crosshairs on Monday after the FBI raided the president's personal attorney, Michael Cohen.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/382513-white-house-trump-believes-he-has-power-to-fire-mueller

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White House: Trump believes he has power to fire Mueller (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 OP
From my twitter feed Gothmog Apr 2018 #1
Trump is playing with fire and may get burned. He will soon discover no man is above the law. olegramps Apr 2018 #25
Rosenstein has the power RandySF Apr 2018 #2
Trump believes he's king of the United States too Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #3
He's not. murielm99 Apr 2018 #10
I had to look that one up to find out Trump is trying to wrestle a crown Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #31
I loved that show when I was a kid. murielm99 Apr 2018 #35
listen cojoel Apr 2018 #29
Monty Python and the Holy Grail Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #30
Please call your senators and congress critters (especially republicans) and tell them that .... Botany Apr 2018 #4
Here are two great sites to help fellow resisters and to resist yourself. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #26
Pssst! Pssssst! BootinUp Apr 2018 #5
Rosenstein's gotta go first. LudwigPastorius Apr 2018 #6
I'm betting he appoints that pond scum Pruitt to do it nmgaucho Apr 2018 #9
Didn't some President already try this once? It didn't end well for him, did it? n/t SFnomad Apr 2018 #18
Yeah, but there were more than a few Congressional Republicans who put country before party... LudwigPastorius Apr 2018 #36
Unfortunately, I agree with you n/t SFnomad Apr 2018 #40
Trump believes a Lot of Crazy Shit Your Waiter Tonight Apr 2018 #7
Whats happening Friday??? PunksMom Apr 2018 #8
A lot of crap happens on a Friday marylandblue Apr 2018 #14
Gotcha PunksMom Apr 2018 #19
How are all these threats to fire mueller not obstruction of justice? unblock Apr 2018 #11
Trump believes Attorney-Client privilege is dead bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #12
Why do they keep goading Trump to fire Mueller? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #13
Breaking news like that would generate a huge jump in ad revenues for procon Apr 2018 #16
Better to have it out there and on the record than to act as though it is not an issue UpInArms Apr 2018 #17
"Let's you and him fight." Hugin Apr 2018 #38
Soo...who is the most like Bork in this administration? nt irisblue Apr 2018 #15
this is just a continuation of his TV show Skittles Apr 2018 #20
and i have the power to fart unicorns dembotoz Apr 2018 #21
". . . believes. . . " Sam McGee Apr 2018 #22
Breaking news next week: "Interim Attorney General Scott Pruitt....." Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #23
Meanwhile . . . Sam McGee Apr 2018 #24
I triple dog dare you cheetolini angrychair Apr 2018 #27
Per Richard W. Painter: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2018 #28
"If Trump fires Mueller, Trump is gone." LudwigPastorius Apr 2018 #37
If tRUMP does fires mueller, is it Rosensteins job bluestarone Apr 2018 #32
I just asked essentially the same question! :) n/t woundedkarma Apr 2018 #34
q: what happens if trump tries to fire mueller? woundedkarma Apr 2018 #33
I wish they would just phrase every Trump statement as "wants to believe"... Orsino Apr 2018 #39

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
10. He's not.
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:21 PM
Apr 2018

That would be Garfield Goose. Garfield bought Bozo's Circus when Bozo retired.

Trump is too stupid to usurp that title from a goose.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
31. I had to look that one up to find out Trump is trying to wrestle a crown
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 06:39 PM
Apr 2018

Away from a puppet. Trump can't let anyone have anything.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
35. I loved that show when I was a kid.
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 11:15 PM
Apr 2018

I wanted to go home for lunch the last day of the Bozo show. We couldn't tape things back then. I had a business lunch, and I would have been fired if I had gone home to watch Bozo's circus. I was a grown woman, in my late twenties.

My brother took half a day off, not telling anyone why. He said Bozo cried, and the Goose bought the circus. Sigh.

cojoel

(957 posts)
29. listen
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 05:26 PM
Apr 2018

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony.
You can't expect to yield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
I mean, if I went 'round saying I were emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

Botany

(70,508 posts)
4. Please call your senators and congress critters (especially republicans) and tell them that ....
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:12 PM
Apr 2018

.... you demand that Bob Mueller be protected. Ask two friends to do the same.

LudwigPastorius

(9,148 posts)
6. Rosenstein's gotta go first.
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:15 PM
Apr 2018

Then Trump will go down the line until he finds a subordinate who will agree to fire Mueller. Or, he could even dangle Sessions' job as bait for the person willing to do his bidding.

Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller could all be axed very shortly, bringing on Trump's final self-immolation.

LudwigPastorius

(9,148 posts)
36. Yeah, but there were more than a few Congressional Republicans who put country before party...
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:34 AM
Apr 2018

back then.

The only reason Nixon resigned was because the House had the votes to impeach and the Senate did not have the votes to acquit. (I doubt Trump would resign even if he was facing similar numbers. He's too pig-headed and egomaniacal.)

An Article II, Section 4 solution will require Republican defections regardless of the outcome of the upcoming election. I, for one, don't trust any of those bastards to do the right thing when the time comes.

unblock

(52,236 posts)
11. How are all these threats to fire mueller not obstruction of justice?
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:23 PM
Apr 2018

Especially when sometimes accompanied by "red lines" that he's told not to cross?

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
12. Trump believes Attorney-Client privilege is dead
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:24 PM
Apr 2018

I think he's bumped up against something that won't bend to his whims, unlike every other applecart he's overturned in his life.

If he can do it, he's not bragging, but it sure will send the country into a maelstrom because everyone knows it would mean the end of the rule of law and the beginning of dictatorship

I doubt he understands that at this point

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
13. Why do they keep goading Trump to fire Mueller?
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:26 PM
Apr 2018

By continually asking him or Sleezy Sarah or anyone else they can find to ask?

Does anyone else have a problem with this? I think we all know Trump's personality by now. We have all met individuals that have the same misogynist arrogant selfish childish attitudes, maybe not to the same level, but on the same track. I fear Trump will do it just because everyone around him, not just the 'fake news' stations, but prominent Republicans are telling everyone that there is no way he would do it.

procon

(15,805 posts)
16. Breaking news like that would generate a huge jump in ad revenues for
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:47 PM
Apr 2018

every media outlet. Fox News, as Enabler in Chief, is on the frontline with every show encouraging Trump to pull the trigger. He has no other source of information. He too stupid to listen to anyone telling him something he doesn't want to know, like, "No."

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
17. Better to have it out there and on the record than to act as though it is not an issue
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 03:50 PM
Apr 2018

The press is (finally) doing its job ... it is the watchdog and it’s barking like mad at the intruder

Hugin

(33,148 posts)
38. "Let's you and him fight."
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:42 AM
Apr 2018

Has been a standard in court intrigue for as long as there have been courts to intrigue.

It's the modern equivalent of bear baiting.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
22. ". . . believes. . . "
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 04:13 PM
Apr 2018

Trump believes he has the authority to fire Mueller.

My children are adults but when they were 2-year-olds they believed they could throw a screaming fit, lie on the floor, kick and scream and get whatever they wanted.

Guess how that worked out for them.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
23. Breaking news next week: "Interim Attorney General Scott Pruitt....."
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 04:13 PM
Apr 2018

".....announces termination of Special Counsel Robert Mueller."

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
24. Meanwhile . . .
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 04:16 PM
Apr 2018

Do I recall correctly that last week Deputy AG Rosenstein issued a memo in which he assigned to other DOJ senior officials responsibility for various parts of the Mueller investigation in the event Mueller could not complete the investigation?

As I recall, I heard that on MSNBC -- Hayes, Maddow, etc. The idea being, if Trump fires Mueller, other DOJ senior investigators will pick up the various threads of the investigation and march ahead.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
28. Per Richard W. Painter:
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 05:09 PM
Apr 2018
It doesn’t matter how people feel about Pence.
If Trump fires Mueller, Trump is gone.
Members of the House and Senate can take up their issues with Pence later.



Trump is looking for an excuse to fire Mueller. Press coverage conflating two entirely separate investigations is dangerously misleading. Mueller has no control over the SDNY investigation which is about financial crimes, not just the Daniels payoff.



SDNY equals Southern District of New York

LudwigPastorius

(9,148 posts)
37. "If Trump fires Mueller, Trump is gone."
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:44 AM
Apr 2018

Mr. Painter might remember that Democrats had control of both houses of Congress, and quite a few Republicans who put country over party, when Nixon was forced out.

They also had "smoking gun" tapes of Nixon discussing his crimes.

Whether these things will come into play in the case against Trump remains to be seen. I'd love a blue wave to take control of the House and Senate, but barring that, there is no guarantee that Trump will not serve out his term.

It sucks, but there it is.

bluestarone

(16,942 posts)
32. If tRUMP does fires mueller, is it Rosensteins job
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 07:43 PM
Apr 2018

to go after tRUMP? for what he did? Or who will handle it? The repubs in congress? how does this play out?

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
33. q: what happens if trump tries to fire mueller?
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 08:29 PM
Apr 2018

What would he even do when there's no process? If he says Mueller is fired, do they have to take it to court? lol... it's all crazy

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. I wish they would just phrase every Trump statement as "wants to believe"...
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:38 AM
Apr 2018

...or "wants us to believe."

When Trump opens his mouth, he's just wishing out loud for things to be simple enough for him to grasp. And they never are.

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