Host dad who took in accused Fla. shooter: "It's his right" to have an AR-15

[TomCADem]

Source: MSN/CBS News

The family that took in the Florida school shooting suspect says they knew Nikolas Cruz was depressed, but had no idea how troubled he really was. James and Kimberly Snead let Cruz, a friend of their son, live in their house after his mother died in November.

"The Nik we knew was not the Nik that everybody else seemed to know," James Snead told CBS News correspondent John Blackstone.

"He pulled one over on us. As well as a lot of people," Kimberly Snead added.

Cruz had been living with the Snead family for about three months when the 19-year-old allegedly carried out the deadliest school shooting in Florida history.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/host-dad-who-took-in-accused-fla-shooter-its-his-right-to-have-an-ar-15/ar-BBJmwJp?li=BBnb7Kz

[Dawson Leery]

1. Sue them!

[weissmam]

2. twice

asswhole -fool-numb nuts and whatever else you can add

the next question is why, what was it for

[Happyhippychick]

3. Talk about a total abdication of responsibility

He fooled us even though everybody else seemed to know. Oh wait, he fooled a lot of people. Oh wait, we're the assholes that let him have an arsenal in our home.

[onit2day]

14. He couldnt afford a tank

[samir.g]

4. They are culpable. Sue and/or prosecute them

[GusBob]

8. "There's nothing different we would have done"

Depraved indifference

[djacq]

5. The Sneads are some ignorant people

The kid is “NINETEEN”.

“NINETEEN!”

[Skittles]

11. they knew he was a troubled youth

but allowed him to have weapons? HOW SICK ARE THESE PEOPLE?

[Igel]

21. Yup. 19.

He can vote. He can own property. He's an adult. Years ago there was a push to make 18 the age of majority.

He's 3 years older than many of the kids we think of as very mature and wise enough to make all sorts of sound decisions about, well, guns.

He's years away from having his brain fully mature. But years closer than many others we look up to.

Quite a conundrum, finding an actual principle in that.

[bitterross]

6. I really wanted to be sympathetic to them but I can't be.

I don't know that they are, in fact, culpable. I'm not a lawyer.

I do know they seem to be the typical 45 supporter type. Willfully ignorant to everything in the world going on around them. Totally sold on the completely false narrative that Constitution gives the right to own any and every kind of gun.

[Jedi Guy]

9. They dropped the ball, bigtime.

Regardless of this business about the gun safe, Mr. Snead strikes me as staggeringly negligent. He allowed a young man he didn't know at all well to move in with his family. He knew this guy had brought "five or six" guns into the house, but didn't consider it important enough to make certain of it. I can't imagine he didn't know about the behavioral issues, because it's mentioned that they were making arrangements for him to see a counselor.

They're gonna get dragged into civil court at the very least, and they'll be very, very fortunate if they come out of it with their lives intact. In my opinion, they had a duty the moment they admitted him to their home, and they blew it. I'm not a lawyer either, but they were asleep at the switch.

[GusBob]

7. I get a strong sense they are lying

They are covering something up

[mazzarro]

18. Yes indeed. I get same feeling too - n/t

[Skittles]

10. they are garbage - sick, gun humping, pathetic people

perhaps they could explain their "reasoning" to the parents of the victims

[rockfordfile]

12. No wonder

[KWR65]

13. That is OK. He is going to end up on the street after the lawyers get through with him.

[LisaL]

15. What would be the legal reason someone could sue him?

Shooter was an adult, he purchased his guns legally. This guy didn't have any actual responsibilities to supervise the shooter. He wasn't his official foster parent, or didn't have any other official capacity of supervising the shooter.

[KWR65]

16. Oh all kinds of things. There will be lawsuits against everyone and the school.

He will have to hire a lawyer or face a default judgment against him. Since this was a criminal act I doubt if his home owners or renters insurance will cover it.

[LisaL]

17. What kind of things?

Again, shooter was an adult. This guy didn't have a legal obligation to supervise him. The shooting didn't happen inside his home either. So what doe his insurance have to do with it?

[ProfessorGAC]

19. A Troubling Phrase In This Snip, To Me. . .

. . . is this one: "carried out the deadliest school shooting in Florida history. "

In Florida history. Not world history. Not even US history. Just in the history on one out of 50 states.

Which of course, unfortunately, means we've had worse.

[Sancho]

20. Emotional children don't have the right to weapons of war...stupid thing to say...

the brainwashing is strong with this one.

Here's what would be better:

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

[paleotn]

22. pathetic gun humping scum...

We really need to call these people out for what they are. Evil, sociopathic trash. I'm tired of taking the high road with these people. Call them what they are.

[hexola]

23. Notice the media has been VERY careful about interviewing them

They seem to be sensitive to passing judgement or making them defensive.

I think this is good - let them talk - their attitude speaks for itself.

It shows how commonly held beliefs and notions can have deadly consequences.

I hope gun owning America finds something in common with them and takes a look within.

[GusBob]

24. It is being reported the kid had an inheritance of $800,000K

Hmmm, these folks knew he had mental problems.....If he really had this money coming I wonder if they knew about that too?

[gay texan]

25. In the beginning of this latest massacre

I sort of felt sorry for them.

Now that the facts are out, they deserve everything they have coming to them.....

[Demsrule86]

26. I said that from the beginning and all the 'what a nice family threads' said I was wrong...I knew

this was who these people are...I bet they lied to social services...hope they can be held accountable. It was his 'right' so I guess 17 other kids had no right even live by this standard...worthless family of enablers.

[maxrandb]

27. Well

Common Sense: racist white supremacist nazi gun-humping parents take in racist white supremacist nazi gun-humping 19 year old, who turns out to be a racist white supremacist nazi gun-humping mass-murderer.

MSM:. "I'm having a hard time connecting the dots here... let's go now to a listening meeting with Donnie Short Fingers supporters from Dumbfuckistan,. 'Murika...Jim"