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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:30 PM Feb 2018

High school shooting suspect would plead guilty to avoid death penalty: Defense attorney

Source: ABC News




By JOSH MARGOLIN and EMILY SHAPIRO
Feb 16, 2018, 6:29 PM ET

A lawyer for Nikolas Cruz, the young man accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school, told ABC News he is willing to have his client plead guilty immediately in return for the prosecution agreeing to take the death penalty off the table.

Cruz, 19, would instead have a life sentence, said Broward County public defender Howard Finkelstein.

Finkelstein told ABC News in a detailed phone interview that his decision is based on the reality that the facts are not in question and that Cruz’s alleged crimes occurred after an apparent series of breakdowns of systems like law enforcement, social services and education.

Finkelstein said he has not yet notified prosecutors of his offer but plans to this weekend.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/high-school-shooting-suspect-plead-guilty-elude-death/story?id=53153672

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High school shooting suspect would plead guilty to avoid death penalty: Defense attorney (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
So glad he would rather stay alive ... just wish he had been as gracious to those 17 souls UpInArms Feb 2018 #1
That's a good thing. LisaM Feb 2018 #2
I agree. Sienna86 Feb 2018 #6
If he is not isolated in prison, he will be murdered once he's inside. LonePirate Feb 2018 #3
Since he thrust death so suddenly on others WhiteTara Feb 2018 #4
I can't imagine facing that choice. rainin Feb 2018 #5
Know how one can avoid having to make that choice? christx30 Feb 2018 #20
I didn't mean to sound empathetic to him. Yes, he deserves to think about this until he takes rainin Feb 2018 #22
Life with no parole in solitary 23/7 sounds good to me. MicaelS Feb 2018 #7
Solitary? Are you kidding? GenPop! Aristus Feb 2018 #11
Nope, I want him to rot in prison. MicaelS Feb 2018 #12
I agree with you 100%. Aristus Feb 2018 #13
bring back the rack!!!! DrDan Feb 2018 #17
Timothy McVeigh wanted death; to be a martyr for his people and their cause. keithbvadu2 Feb 2018 #8
not much of a choice... getagrip_already Feb 2018 #9
Why wouldn't the atty go for ngri? mokawanis Feb 2018 #10
Because he's not that type of crazy. moriah Feb 2018 #23
Put his ass under a microscope. Find out how this kind of poison grows. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #14
19-year-olds think they are invincible spiderpig Feb 2018 #15
Another Charles Manson CountAllVotes Feb 2018 #16
Fine, save the state the expense of a trial... malthaussen Feb 2018 #18
Plus, save the countless appeals for parole csziggy Feb 2018 #21
I do not believe in the death penalty. Cold War Spook Feb 2018 #19

UpInArms

(51,285 posts)
1. So glad he would rather stay alive ... just wish he had been as gracious to those 17 souls
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:33 PM
Feb 2018

🤬🤬🤬🤬

LisaM

(27,843 posts)
2. That's a good thing.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:33 PM
Feb 2018

I'm glad they didn't kill him. I want him to be evaluated as thoroughly as possible. How can we ever move to prevent these shootings in the future without the fullest possible understanding of what causes them?

Sienna86

(2,150 posts)
6. I agree.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:53 PM
Feb 2018

While this is a gun issue, I believe this is also a people issue. What help was available to him?

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
3. If he is not isolated in prison, he will be murdered once he's inside.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:33 PM
Feb 2018

His days as a member of the living are likely numbered regardless.

WhiteTara

(29,728 posts)
4. Since he thrust death so suddenly on others
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:38 PM
Feb 2018

I'm not surprised that he cowardly makes a deal not to die. I hope that plea deal comes with no chance of parole.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
5. I can't imagine facing that choice.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:39 PM
Feb 2018

I believe I would choose the death penalty. I wouldn't want to live my entire life in a prison. So sad for all.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
20. Know how one can avoid having to make that choice?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:43 AM
Feb 2018

Don't murder people. I have no pity for him.
I hope he doesn't get the death penalty. I hope in 40 years, he's still alive, in his cage. No career, no family. Hated by so many people. I hope he's nice and healthy, looking back at what his life could have been. Knowing it was all a waste.
He's very young. Still has many years to look back on his actions he can't take back, and regret. I hope it drives him insane.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
22. I didn't mean to sound empathetic to him. Yes, he deserves to think about this until he takes
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:03 PM
Feb 2018

his last breath. It's my instinct to think "if it were me" and I would choose death.

I heard, that even a life sentence could end in release at some point. From the community's standpoint, I wonder if his death would be easier for the (living) victims and the families.

Aristus

(66,479 posts)
11. Solitary? Are you kidding? GenPop!
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:01 PM
Feb 2018

If he is ever going to feel even one iota of the fear those students felt, either as survivors, or right before they died, he should experience GenPop, where he will have no AR-15 to make himself feel tough.

Aristus

(66,479 posts)
13. I agree with you 100%.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:24 PM
Feb 2018

I don't want him to be killed, or even harmed in some nasty, permanent fashion.

I just want him to feel fear.

Not the abstract and rather pathetic fear all losers like him feel.

But real, immediate, concrete, persistent, grinding, debilitating fear.

For the rest of his miserable life.

keithbvadu2

(36,962 posts)
8. Timothy McVeigh wanted death; to be a martyr for his people and their cause.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:27 PM
Feb 2018

Timothy McVeigh wanted death; to be a martyr for his people and their cause.

He had no qualms about killing babies and innocents.

getagrip_already

(14,893 posts)
9. not much of a choice...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:55 PM
Feb 2018

Prosecutors already have a confession, and there is a LOT of evidence it was him.

There is probably little doubt he will be convicted.

The only question is will the prosecutor grant the deal? Probably not. The crazies are calling for blood.

It would be political suicide for a prosecutor to grant life, given some families will object to it. The only reason I could think of to do it is to spare witnesses the ordeal of trial.

More likely they are positioning for the capitol phase of sentencing. They need to convince jurors to be unsure about the death penalty. This move can help with that - he was remorseful and offered to plead guilty......

mokawanis

(4,453 posts)
10. Why wouldn't the atty go for ngri?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 10:00 PM
Feb 2018

If he's found not guilty by reason of insanity could he be sentenced to life in a psychiatric facility?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
23. Because he's not that type of crazy.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:57 PM
Feb 2018

Guy with bipolar disorder goes off meds, gets manic psychosis, has diaries saying he's heard people standing outside his house from his old school saying they've going to kill him, shoots it up? That might be insanity defense.

No evidence of anything of the sort here.

Best chance he has is pleading to get death off the table.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. Put his ass under a microscope. Find out how this kind of poison grows.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:04 AM
Feb 2018

Find all the people that fomented and encouraged it along the way.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
15. 19-year-olds think they are invincible
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 04:00 AM
Feb 2018

but this guy's character has been set for life. He has no place in civilized society.

I don't know where to park him. I don't think he can ever be rehabilitated to any degree. I guess we just warehouse him for the next 60 years. Whatever happens there he deserves.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
16. Another Charles Manson
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:08 AM
Feb 2018

Will he live to be 80+ years old too?

The amount of money that will be forked out to house this POS as he schemes away in prison sickens me.

I do not wish him well.

That is all I can say.



malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
18. Fine, save the state the expense of a trial...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:09 AM
Feb 2018

... and the resultant media circus. 17 consecutive life sentences would take parole out of the question, too, wouldn't it?

I wonder how mass murderers of children get along in the general prison population? They don't like child abusers, one might expect that murderers are also not very popular.

-- Mal

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
21. Plus, save the countless appeals for parole
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:02 PM
Feb 2018

Lock him up and let experts study him. Otherwise, let society forget his name.

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