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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:56 PM Jan 2018

Scoop: Trump team considers nationalizing 5G network

Source: Axios

Trump national security officials are considering an unprecedented federal takeover of a portion of the nation’s mobile network to guard against China, according to sensitive documents obtained by Axios.

Why it matters: We’ve got our hands on a PowerPoint deck and a memo — both produced by a senior National Security Council official — which were presented recently to senior officials at other agencies in the Trump administration.

The main points: The documents say America needs a centralized nationwide 5G network within three years. There'll be a fierce debate inside the Trump administration — and an outcry from the industry — over the next 6-8 months over how such a network is built and paid for.

Two options laid out by the documents:

The U.S. government pays for and builds the single network — which would be an unprecedented nationalization of a historically private infrastructure.
An alternative plan where wireless providers build their own 5G networks that compete with one another — though the document says the downside is it could take longer and cost more. It argues that one of the “pros” of that plan is that it would cause “less commercial disruption” to the wireless industry than the government building a network.


Read more: https://www.axios.com/trump-team-debates-nationalizing-5g-network-f1e92a49-60f2-4e3e-acd4-f3eb03d910ff.html

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Scoop: Trump team considers nationalizing 5G network (Original Post) Julian Englis Jan 2018 OP
The government version is of course the right thing to do, therefore NO way in hell Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #1
I can't believe they are even considering this unless they use one giant contractor to do it yurbud Jan 2018 #21
Trump knows a guy... dchill Jan 2018 #28
All the better to spy on you. Angleae Jan 2018 #2
"unprecedented federal takeover of a portion of the nations mobile network to guard against China" Botany Jan 2018 #3
As internet censorship is based on guarding against pedophilia . . . Journeyman Jan 2018 #8
I have no idea what you are talking about Botany Jan 2018 #13
The internet of cute critter pics..... paleotn Jan 2018 #18
if it takes Cold War levels of stupid bullshit to get something good... yurbud Jan 2018 #22
"We need to provide Medicare for All BEFORE China & Russia offer it to Americans... yurbud Jan 2018 #23
Scary thing is Trump could actually pull that off. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #24
Democrats should have beat him to the punch. yurbud Jan 2018 #25
Don't disagree. But only Nixon could go to China. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #27
Ive wondered how much we could get done if we just started lying about how much we hate Good Things. Volaris Jan 2018 #40
This line makes no sense: FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #4
I doubt any of the authors were born when ARPANET was around. BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #5
Fair point. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #6
More than likely. paleotn Jan 2018 #11
It's not "the internet," it's cellular service. thesquanderer Jan 2018 #12
I was incorrect about it being the Internet... FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #33
not the internet - private wireless networks..... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #20
I stand corrected, thanks. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #32
Then will 45 turn the network over to Putin? sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #7
Cozy Bear gets a built in, back door. paleotn Jan 2018 #10
Don't say that! ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #31
In general, a government built and owned network isn't a bad idea.... paleotn Jan 2018 #9
What you describe is what Democrats (and an Eisenhower) would do BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #14
Indeed... paleotn Jan 2018 #17
Exactly! BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #26
I agree with you! burrowowl Jan 2018 #35
The best monopoly is a government-sponsored monopoly bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #15
Wrong on so many counts LiberalArkie Jan 2018 #16
Fascinating link ... GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #19
I smell Ajit Pai: FCC Head, Killer of Neutral IP, and ex Verizon Lawyer JDC Jan 2018 #29
In theory I support this Dopers_Greed Jan 2018 #30
I don't know how old those docs are, but 5G is already rolling out starting this year. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #34
like everything the orange asshole spews... Javaman Jan 2018 #36
Sounds about right. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2018 #38
Hi, its the administration calling. We want to nationalize your phone. truthisfreedom Jan 2018 #37
This isn't the government we want to be able to unplug our phones. Orsino Jan 2018 #39

Botany

(70,504 posts)
3. "unprecedented federal takeover of a portion of the nations mobile network to guard against China"
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:05 PM
Jan 2018

China, yes that's the ticket.

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
8. As internet censorship is based on guarding against pedophilia . . .
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:46 PM
Jan 2018

You're not in favor of pedophilia, are you?

'National defense is everybody's job,' Captain Black replied to Milo's objection. 'And this whole
program is voluntary, Milo - don't forget that. The men don't have to sign Piltchard and Wren's
loyalty oath if they don't want to. But we need you to starve them to death if they don't. It's just like
Catch-22. Don't you get it? You're not against Catch-22, are you?'


~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
18. The internet of cute critter pics.....
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jan 2018

That's what the internets are really good for.

Forget the internet of things...like I want some kid in mom's basement hacking my lights and hvac system.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
23. "We need to provide Medicare for All BEFORE China & Russia offer it to Americans...
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jan 2018

to trick them into betraying their country."

You're welcome.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
24. Scary thing is Trump could actually pull that off.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:44 PM
Jan 2018

The ultimate wrestling heel turned good guy. And the Trumpanzees would cheer him for it.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
40. Ive wondered how much we could get done if we just started lying about how much we hate Good Things.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jan 2018

all the things we 'hate', idjit republicans would pass outright just because they believe that we hate them.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
4. This line makes no sense:
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:08 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:33 AM - Edit history (1)

"The U.S. government pays for and builds the single network — which would be an unprecedented nationalization of a historically private infrastructure."

The internet, "private infrastructure" ?

(Edited to correct: NOT "the Internet" )

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
12. It's not "the internet," it's cellular service.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:01 PM
Jan 2018

And cellular service has always been privately owned here. (i.e. by Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint)

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
33. I was incorrect about it being the Internet...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:38 AM
Jan 2018

though the Government did have something to do with it, setting up the initial cellular network parameters.

"the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) began setting aside a range of radio frequencies for radio telephony. Near the end of that decade, a trial of cellular phone technology had been conducted in Chicago, and the world’s first commercial cellular phone service was introduced in Tokyo, Japan.
By the early 1980s, the FCC was issuing wireless telephony licenses and setting up metropolitan and rural jurisdictions (so-called metropolitan statistical areas and rural service areas), and, by the middle of the decade, first-generation wireless systems were being deployed in the United States."

https://www.nap.edu/read/11711/chapter/4#17

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
20. not the internet - private wireless networks.....
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:18 PM
Jan 2018

verizon, att, sprint, etc, all built their own mobile networks up to and including 4g. Thats why they all have different coverage maps.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
31. Don't say that!
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jan 2018

Remember when he was going to turn the cyber investigation of Russian hacking over to the Russians? I mean, who better than the ones doing it to tell you they are doing it, right?

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
9. In general, a government built and owned network isn't a bad idea....
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jan 2018

as long as it's fair and relatively cheap for all providers. The airwaves are commons and we all own them jointly. But, it's execution that's always the issue. Sounds public / private to me, with the point being making the network truly nationwide and standardized....and not just metro areas. Something along the lines of a modified Rural Electrification Act, so all have the same access.....and no single company owns the infrastructure. Imagine the competitive environment that would create, and imagine the screaming from Verizon and AT&T.

The same issues arose during electrification when it comes to purely private infrastructure. It just wasn't profitable enough for Duke to electrify much of western North Carolina. Thank goodness for FDR, the Rural Electrification Act and electric coops. We currently only have one really viable cellular alternative. Seems no one else wants to build the infrastructure here to make their service more than spotty at best. We have good internet service, but from only one company. Some areas here have zip other than HughesNet.

BumRushDaShow

(128,981 posts)
14. What you describe is what Democrats (and an Eisenhower) would do
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jan 2018

not the Libertarian-focused RW GOP loon squad running this country at the moment, where they want to privatize everything, eliminate regulations, and free-market themselves from bubble to bubble to bubble until they crash and then "socialize the losses and pain" so they can start over again.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
17. Indeed...
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:18 PM
Jan 2018

which makes even the mention of a government backed, data infrastructure project all the more puzzling. I don't think the current admin is the source, rather career civil folks in national security and /or intelligence. So I'm sure this will get squashed quickly. Shitgibbon's cast of clowns couldn't come up with a good idea, public or private, if their lives depended on it.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
16. Wrong on so many counts
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:15 PM
Jan 2018

The radio spectrum in the U.S. has historically been public. That is why Amateur Radio operators can use certain frequencies. That is why small business and larger ones have to obtain an FCC license to operate on certain frequencies. That is why AM/FM and & TV have to have licenses to broadcast on those public frequencies.

It is a new occurrence that companies have been able to purchase frequencies to operate private radio networks on what used to be public frequencies (Cellular).

But the article is correct in that the government should set aside a block for public use.

For anyone interested here is how the radio spectrum is laid out: https://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/2003-allochrt.pdf

JDC

(10,127 posts)
29. I smell Ajit Pai: FCC Head, Killer of Neutral IP, and ex Verizon Lawyer
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:26 PM
Jan 2018

These guys are going to take everything they can get their hands on. And by the way, own the network, hear the calls and track internet usage.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. I don't know how old those docs are, but 5G is already rolling out starting this year.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:59 AM
Jan 2018

Verizon and another company are rolling out 5G in some major cities this year, and to expand that in 2019. It's already on the way.

I don't think the Repubs are interested in the government "owning" and especially paying for, anything like that. But a dictator might.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
36. like everything the orange asshole spews...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jan 2018

1) as usual, it's probably a lie.

2) it was never his idea.

3) we aren't getting the full story

4) the devil is in the details

5) we, "the little people" will ultimately bear the full cost and implementation

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. This isn't the government we want to be able to unplug our phones.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jan 2018

To defend against Chaina? Or to emulate China?

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