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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:15 PM Aug 2012

Family Research Council: SPLC Created Environment That Led To Shooting

Source: TPM

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins took to Fox News Thursday to say groups that oppose his organization are responsible for creating the atmosphere that led to the shooting at its headquarters Wednesday.

“Let me be very clear here that Floyd Corkins was responsible for the wounding of one of our colleagues and friends at the Family Research Council,” Perkins said. “But I believe he was given a license to do that by a group such as the Southern Poverty Law Center who labeled us a hate group because we defend the family and stand for traditional orthodox Christianity.”

In late 2010, the Southern Poverty Law Center labeled the FRC a “hate group” over its opposition to gay rights and condemnation of same-sex behavior. The SPLC rating put the FRC — long a mainstay in Republican political circles — on the same list as the Aryan Nations, Nation of Islam and KKK.

The FRC and other social conservative groups rejected the label. And in the wake of Wednesday’s shooting, which was allegedly perpetrated by a man who was opposed to the group’s politics, Perkins said the SPLC needs to watch its words.

Read more: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/family_research_council_shooting_splc.php



I agree with SPLC about the label.
http://www.splcenter.org/

edited to add:

Setting the Record Straight on the FRC's Hate Group' Designation

Submitted by Kyle Mantyla on Thu, 08/16/2012 - 4:46pm
Today, the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins held a press conference to comment on the shooting that took place at the organization's Washington, DC headquarters yesterday.

While Perkins put the blame for the attack on the shooter, he declared that the Southern Poverty Law Center was also responsible for the attack, saying the gunman "was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center that have been reckless in labeling organizations 'hate groups' because they disagree with them on public policy."

Perkins claims that SPLC labeled FRC a "hate group" back in 2010 simply because "they disagree with [us] on public policy," and many in the media have parroted the claim. But it’s utter nonsense. As the SPLC explained, FRC received the designation "because of its dissemination of false and demonizing propaganda about gays and lesbians" and even produced a report chronicling FRC's long history of biased anti-gay activism complete with a collection of the sorts of claims made by the organization:

“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
— Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

“[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
— Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

“One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
-1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

“[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
— Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

more: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/setting-record-straight-frcs-hate-group-designation
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Family Research Council: SPLC Created Environment That Led To Shooting (Original Post) maddezmom Aug 2012 OP
Time to make another donation to SPLC. (nt) JaneQPublic Aug 2012 #1
just added the link in the OP to their site, hope people take time to check it out. maddezmom Aug 2012 #3
I love what SPLC does, but... sybylla Aug 2012 #17
So this is the only group; greiner3 Aug 2012 #22
Yep, and not just letters. JaneQPublic Aug 2012 #24
Nope, but they were the worst offender. sybylla Aug 2012 #29
They Are So Cute When They Project, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2012 #2
When is he going to also list rush, beck, hannity, savage as Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #4
RepubliKristian BizzaroWorld Berlum Aug 2012 #5
While we can never condone what was done and we condemn it as despicable bluestateguy Aug 2012 #6
The Romans Would Have Fed Them To The Lions TheMastersNemesis Aug 2012 #7
FRC is a hate group. Now that their devoted love of the gun industry is turning on them Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #8
Two Words ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #9
Excellent Point atreides1 Aug 2012 #13
I feel for the security guard, but... Blue State Bandit Aug 2012 #10
Luckily none of the hate spewed by right-wing talking heads creates the atmosphere for a indepat Aug 2012 #11
Tony Perkins friends on right wing hate radio have created the environment Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #12
The shoe is on the other foot now. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #14
No one plays "victim" better than right-wing christians. sa2968 Aug 2012 #15
You said it. They are the first to cry "war on us!" everytime someone says something AllyCat Aug 2012 #18
Shootings. . . . Iliyah Aug 2012 #16
FRC is giving bigots a license to commit hate crimes against gay and lesbians tandot Aug 2012 #19
IF WE ONLY ... had been allowed to spread our hate without.... DavidL Aug 2012 #20
knowing that this sort of thing is an old Republican trick librechik Aug 2012 #21
I would not doubt it either. Think about it, EVERY attack, save this one, has been.... Raster Aug 2012 #25
Ghandi Stewland Aug 2012 #23
Highest Number Of Anti-Gay Murders Ever Reported In 2011 Ian David Aug 2012 #26
If the SPLC calling a hate group a hate group provoked violence the Solly Mack Aug 2012 #27
Thank you. That is a very important point. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #38
Message deleted by the DU Administrators XemaSab Aug 2012 #28
Please delete this post--it is making the thread UNREADABLE. nt MADem Aug 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #32
testing reply on this thread SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #30
sorry to the OP for my part in disrupting your thread Kali Aug 2012 #33
You did the right thing by bringing it to everyone's attention. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #34
No problem maddezmom Aug 2012 #35
The FRC is a hate group.. and-justice-for-all Aug 2012 #36
Interesting. redqueen Aug 2012 #37
They are labeled as a hate group for good reason. William769 Aug 2012 #39

sybylla

(8,526 posts)
17. I love what SPLC does, but...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:55 PM
Aug 2012

The last time I donated, they spent every dime of my $50 filling my mailbox with weekly (sometimes twice weekly) requests for more money. If I could donate anonymously, I would. But I'm not going to chance this crap again.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
22. So this is the only group;
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:26 PM
Aug 2012

You have EVER contributed to? President Obama has been on my for 5 years to contribute to his campaign. Ditto for the Sierra Club, The Nature Conservancy, the A.C.L.U., the local food pantry, democrats in general, etc...

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
24. Yep, and not just letters.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:13 PM
Aug 2012

Charities I give to waste money sending me calendars, note pads, greeting cards, calculators, throw blankets, caps, backpacks, address labels, wrapping paper, keychains...

sybylla

(8,526 posts)
29. Nope, but they were the worst offender.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:40 PM
Aug 2012

In fact, I give all the time to lots of orgs and candidates and the SPLC is still at the top of my list as the worst offenders. No one else has even come close to the crap I got from them.

Perhaps they have reformed since. Perhaps not. When I called them and asked them to stop sending me stuff, that I planned to be a regular contributor and didn't need to receive weekly spam in order to make that happen, they blew me off.

So I blew them off.

No body else has treated me this way.

But maybe I'm just more careful with whom I give my donations to.

The Magistrate

(95,257 posts)
2. They Are So Cute When They Project, Ma'am
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:19 PM
Aug 2012

This can be taken seriously as soon as he owns up to every hate crime against a homosexual in this country....

"Ignorance can be cured but stupid stays stupid, even pills don't help."

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
4. When is he going to also list rush, beck, hannity, savage as
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:23 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:52 PM - Edit history (1)

people that use hate to incite violence??

edit: spelling of pig man

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
5. RepubliKristian BizzaroWorld
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:23 PM
Aug 2012

they just make shit up, and then project their shitty shadow every which way -- never taking any responsibility for their own sick souls...so sad. I believe the Bibble warned about just such crap in the ENDTymes...

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
6. While we can never condone what was done and we condemn it as despicable
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

It bears noting that for every act of politically motivated violence committed by a liberal against a social conservative, I'll name you 100 acts of violence against gays committed by manly he-men who thought that they were doing the Lord's work.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
8. FRC is a hate group. Now that their devoted love of the gun industry is turning on them
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:25 PM
Aug 2012

they can't take it when their hate spewing turns back in their face.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. Two Words ...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012

Doctor ... Tiller!

To make that argument, TP would have to accept his role, personally and organizational, for the death of Dr. Tiller.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
10. I feel for the security guard, but...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

if Tony Perkins wants to play the equations game, when you spend years promoting laws, theories and people that threaten the freedom, security and is many cases, the very existence of large populations, domestically and internationally, you're bound to get some blow-back.

Pardon the comparison, but this is like Hitler crying foul about the deaths of German citizens in the last years of WWII. If he didn't decide to take over the world, it never would have happened.

I hope the guard gets better, and promptly quits working for these instigators.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
11. Luckily none of the hate spewed by right-wing talking heads creates the atmosphere for a
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:31 PM
Aug 2012

shooting, and certainly not for a mass shooting. Yeah! Right-wing stochastic terrorists never create such an an atmosphere. Yeah.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. The shoe is on the other foot now.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:47 PM
Aug 2012

So, are the crazy bombers and shooters on the other side also inspired by groups like the Family Research Council and Rush Limbaugh? It would seem logical to assume that what works on one side works for the other, wouldn't it.

So, I take this as an admission that inflammatory rhetoric and namecalling incite violence.

Glad to see Tony Perkins taking some responsibility for the rash, the epidemic of violence against Democrats and left-wing leaders.

But I hardly think that this shooter would have been paying much attention to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

That's like saying that someone was inspired to commit murder by the Cato Foundation. Hotheads generally don't respond to intellectual arguments. Rather, they respond to situations or to rhetoric that incites on an emotional level like Rush Limbaugh.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is not really known to most people. And I have heard them talk about suing people, but not about shooting them or taking violent action of any kind.

AllyCat

(16,234 posts)
18. You said it. They are the first to cry "war on us!" everytime someone says something
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:03 PM
Aug 2012

they think is mean. Or anytime someone puts up a fight against their hate, they whine that they are being persecuted. Ugh.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
19. FRC is giving bigots a license to commit hate crimes against gay and lesbians
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:20 PM
Aug 2012

as well as abortion providers without ever taking responsibility for many years.

They are a hate group.

 

DavidL

(384 posts)
20. IF WE ONLY ... had been allowed to spread our hate without....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:24 PM
Aug 2012

having anyone shine a light on us and point out how we were working to restrict the rights of fellow Americans, .......(none of this foolish gun crazy would have happened) ......basically what FRC is saying

librechik

(30,677 posts)
21. knowing that this sort of thing is an old Republican trick
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:25 PM
Aug 2012

and sorry if i sound like freepers, but it wouldn't surprise me to discover that this guy was actually hired by conservative ops to cause a disturbance at FRC. They do use provocateurs.

no, can't prove it. Thank goodness no one was seriously hurt.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
25. I would not doubt it either. Think about it, EVERY attack, save this one, has been....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:35 PM
Aug 2012

certifiable reich-wing. And now... "poor pittiful us."

As you sow, so shall you reap.

 

Stewland

(163 posts)
23. Ghandi
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:54 PM
Aug 2012

The great soul,Ghandi said it perfectly. When asked about his thoughts on Christians. "I love your Christ,but not your Christians because they are so unlike your Christ.". Tony Perkins and his FRC promote qualities that are not Christian. They don't know what they do.If they did know they would stop.

Solly Mack

(90,789 posts)
27. If the SPLC calling a hate group a hate group provoked violence the
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:45 PM
Aug 2012

news would be filled with stories of right-wingers being attacked.

As it is, we have years and years of news articles of the LGTB community being attacked and murdered. Of doctors, such as George Tiller, being attacked and murdered. Of clinics being bombed and torched. Of Americans with brown skin being attacked and murdered. Of vandalism of Temples and Mosques.







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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
34. You did the right thing by bringing it to everyone's attention.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
Aug 2012

Too bad that someone had to mess with you in the Meta post.

Good job, Kali!

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
35. No problem
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:45 PM
Aug 2012

it all got worked out and now it's gotten some extra kicks and eyes of those that wouldn't have seen it.

and-justice-for-all

(14,765 posts)
36. The FRC is a hate group..
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 11:25 AM
Aug 2012

on par with Neo Nazism. But I do not believe that the SPLC had encouraged such an act, and when you utter garbage like this: “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.” Your not going to have many friends.

The shooting is wrong, but so is the FRC.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
37. Interesting.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 11:36 AM
Aug 2012
The SPLC rating put the FRC —long a mainstay in Republican political circles —on the same list as the Aryan Nations, Nation of Islam and KKK.

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