Pentagon's $140M USD Hypersonic Missile Crashes and Burns
Source: Daily Tech
Call it the #failmissile: America's dream of shooting missiles at hypersonic speeds around the globe at its enemies have been put on hold after a costly research program endured a second major malfunction.
The ballyhooed X-51A "WaveRider" plummeted unceremoniously into the cold outstretched arms of the Pacific Ocean on Wednesday, ending a much hyped test launch.
The third test for the project, went much like the last. The high-tech payload was carried aloft by a B-52 bomber from Edwards Air Force Base in southern California. Over the waters near Pugu State Park the missile was dropped, falling for four seconds before the booster lit.
About 15 seconds into the booster burn, the flight crew noticed something was going wrong -- a fin on the rocket had gone out of control just as the design was creeping up towards the speeds necessary to ignite the scramjet engine. Shortly thereafter control was lost.
Read more: http://www.dailytech.com/Pentagons+140M+USD+Hypersonic+Missile+Crashes+and+Burns/article25427.htm
randome
(34,845 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)And why we even need a new first strike weapon when we have nuclear submarines outfitted with cruise/ballistic missiles is beyond me.
PB
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Don't do that...
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Here in 'Murika, we spare no expense when it comes to coming up with new ways to kill people halfway around the world.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)just to keep the $$$ flowing in for R&D
leveymg
(36,418 posts)PD Turk
(1,289 posts)...since they built it. That's a Russian Soyuz-U on the way to the ISS
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Seems to have taken a week to reach Hangzhou, China from its launch in Kazakhstan - 2800 miles north-west. Even the time of day doesn't line up, no matter what the "debunking story" says here: http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f181/ufo-over-chinese-airport-9th-july-2010-debunked-57104/
According to the Wiki the Soyuz launch was on 30 June 2010 at 3:35pm (15:35 UTC): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_M-06M
Contents
1 Launch
2 First docking attempt
3 Docking
4 ISS reboost
5 Undocking and deorbit
6 References
Launch
The Soyuz-U rocket used to launch the Progress M-06M spacecraft was delivered to the Baikonur Cosmodrome in early March 2010.[2] The rocket was manufactured by TsSKB-Progress at Samara.
The Progress was launched successfully on 30 June 2010 at 15:35 UTC.[
It's obviously a multi stage rocket, you can see stage separation in the video at about :033
leveymg
(36,418 posts)PD Turk
(1,289 posts)But what is in the video is undoubtedly a multi-stage rocket
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Sorry. Kazakhstan is two time zones away.
Average Weather On July 7 For Hangzhou, China - WeatherSpark
https://weatherspark.com/.../7/7/Hangzhou-Zhejiang-China
Average Weather On July 7 For Hangzhou, China ... Nautical twilight begins and ends 60 minutes before sunrise and after sunset at 4:03am and 8:05pm, ...
PD Turk
(1,289 posts)even if it wasn't video of that particular launch described at the site I linked, the video IS undoubtedly of a multiple stage rocket headed to orbit. Stage separation is clear as it can be at about :33 in the video
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I never claimed that it wasn't some sort of aerospace vehicle. It just doesn't look like a typical staging to me, which has a clear separation and ignition of an upper stage. To me, it looks more like some sort of laminar separation or pulsing of the contrail.
Here's a more typical staging event: Minotaur launch at dusk, Vandenberg, AFB:
PD Turk
(1,289 posts)Kind of a hobby of mine lol. I've noticed that the American rockets sem to have a longer pause before ignition of the next stage and the Russian rockets light em up a lot faster, sometimes i looks like they blow the previous stage off by firing up the next engines lol
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Record is here: http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/log2010.html
2010 SPACE LAUNCH LOG
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SPACE LAUNCH REPORT
2010 ORBITAL/SUBORBITAL LAUNCH LOG
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by Ed Kyle as of December 29, 2010
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YEAR TO DATE ORBITAL SPACE LAUNCH LOG
DATE VEHICLE ID PAYLOAD MASS(t) SITE* ORBIT**
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SNIP
06/30/10 Soyuz U 1758 Progress M-06M (38P) 7.25 TB 1/5 LEO/ISS
07/10/10 Proton M/Briz M P358 Echostar 15 5.52 TB 200/39 GTO+
07/12/10 PSLV-CA C-15 Cartosat 2B/Altsat 2A 0.82 SR 1 LEO/S
07/31/10 CZ-3A CZ3A17 Beidou 2-5 XC 3 GTO/i
SNIP
leveymg
(36,418 posts)There is reference to such a program: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?212496-The-history-of-Chinese-Suborbital-launch-vehicle-plan
The beginning of Chinese Suborbital launch vehicle plan is very earlier, much earlier than X-37B. It originted from a paper of Qian'xuesen(known as Tsien Hsue-shen, one founder of JPL, persecutd by McCarthyism). In this paper, he descirbed a boost-glide trajectory called Qian'xuesen trajectory. When he returned to China because of McCarthyism, he bulid a team to research aerocraft based on Qian'xuesen trajectory. Due to the weak Industrial Capacity at that time, the plan of Chinese Suborbital launch vehicle was very slow, but ererything changed since 1990s.
Nowday, there are two competitors for Chinese Suborbital launch vehicle plan, 611th institude of AVIC and 10th institude of CASC. The scheme of 10th institude is like CAV of Lockheed, a highly maneuverable warhead based on boost-glide trajectory. The scheme of 611th is more similar to a space plane based on boost-glide trajectory. Because of the experience of desining aerodynamic architecture, the scheme of 611th runs more smoothly, and there was a successful test several years ago.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:47 PM - Edit history (2)
And, this new generation of steerable, highly-accurate missiles, along with the anti-ship DF-21D and Russian hypersonic cruise missile (bottom image) is why the aircraft carrier is now extinct.
Reported here: http://my.opera.com/mycpaiva/blog/missile-defense-frames-used-in-unclassified-presentations-american-institute-fo
Note: The date on the photos says 07/10/10, which doesn't line up. But, the still shots appear to nearly identical to the video. There's been some fudging around with the details, as well as the "UFO" cover story, probably by the PRC.
DF-21D Anti-ship Missile, Maneuverable warhead shown below. Bottom panel is a competing design by the Brahmos consortium (Russia-India aerospace) for a hypersonic air or ground launched cruise missile:
postulater
(5,075 posts)I wouldn't have expected that.
tiny elvis
(979 posts)no matter what his reasons
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)onethatcares
(16,184 posts)I can't say much more than that.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)the next one won't blow up.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Lasher
(27,637 posts)Betcha that woulda worked even better.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)we can't keep spending our children's future on WAR
Citizen Worker
(1,785 posts)destroyers the navy says it doesn't need.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)pretty soon you're talking real money. Real misspent money.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Tommy_J
(694 posts)If hypersonic scram jets can be developed space flight could become much cheaper. For that reason I hope we do more testing.
Ter
(4,281 posts)And 20 years ago. Of course, that one was (is?) manned and never admitted to even exist.