Deputies: Florida woman fatally shot misbehaving puppy
Source: Associated Press
Updated 1:45 pm, Friday, December 29, 2017
CANTONMENT, Fla. (AP) A Florida woman is accused of fatally shooting a pit bull puppy that she said was misbehaving.
The Pensacola News Journal reports that 27-year-old Amanda Cay Carpenter was charged with animal cruelty and firing a weapon in public over the Dec. 15 incident at a Pensacola mobile-home park.
An Escambia County Sheriff's arrest report says Carpenter told investigators the 9-month-old puppy chewed and damaged several items in her room. The report says she tried to put the dog in a kennel, but it wouldn't go inside.
The report says Carpenter grabbed the dog; it tried to bite her face. Deputies say she took the dog outside and shot it multiple times.
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Amanda Cay Carpenter
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Who ever heard of a puppy misbehaving and chewing on things? Mine did, so I used a novel concept.....Training!! Whatever penalty, if any, is not enough for this female dog
jpak
(41,760 posts)Not puppies.
Poor little guy....
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)However, if the puppy was killed instantly and didn't suffer, I'm not sure how this could be animal cruelty (legally speaking).
Instead, she could have brought him to a dog pound, reported that he tried to bite her face, and the pup would have been put down there instead.
Either way, the puppy is dead. If it's not cruel for one person to put the pup down, how is it cruel for another to do it?
I am old and years ago people often did this deed themselves when the time came. I expect they still do on farms and/or rural areas. I don't think it should be illegal, even as I think any kind of mistreatment of a pet (or livestock, for that matter) that causes suffering, should be.
Don't get me wrong; I think it's horrific that this poor puppy wound up with this woman as his owner instead of someone who would love him. My own dog is treated like a beloved princess, and I am repaid many times over with her love and concern for me. She even lets me know when my blood sugar is low!
randr
(12,417 posts)She probably saved herself of some innocent person severe damage.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)If I was busted for murdering my dog with a gun in the trailer-park, cause I was drunk or hopped up on the meth ... I'd probably claim the dog 'tried to bite me' too. It'd have to be 'tried to', since if you claimed it DID, they'd probably ask to see the marks, yeah?
Not that this would ever happen in my world, but ...
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Floriduh Woman strikes again!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)But they are harmless, gentle dogs. Or at least I keep on reading that here.
I guess when I read about poodles and dachshunds and chihuahuas attacking their owners I'll fully believe that it's not the breed but the owner/training.
My sarcasm aside, that woman is an idiot and she exemplifies why I think all guns should be confiscated. And even if they are not, she's still an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to own a potted plant, let alone a dog of any kind.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Our Pointer is easily the more aggressive of our two dogs, in every sense of the word. He's also bigger, stronger and far more athletic than our Pit. Our Pit is an absolute BABY. Our Pointer ... a badass. If someone attacked my wife, the Pit would bark, the Pointer ... would physically protect her, I'm quite sure of it.
Dogs of all breeds have been known to attack their owners and others. Little dogs aren't big enough to do real damage (though an actual Poodle is big enough to hurt an adult or kill a child ... and there's probably been cases of it as they're not ALL friendly, by any means), but it doesn't mean some of them wouldn't hurt you ... if they were.
You also have NO IDEA how 'bad' this 'biting' actually was. To someone who's actually willing to murder their 9mo puppy in the middle of their trailer park with a GUN ... it might not have taken much in the way of a 'bite'.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)invariable claims that the dog was always gentle. Kind of like the neighbors of the guy who goes nuts and murders his whole family.
I stand by my statement that it's almost always pit bulls that do this. Yes, I recognize that small dogs can't do too much damage, but lots of breeds are large enough to do a lot of harm if they go off. So why do we only hear about the pit bulls and not the full sized poodles or the german shephards or the black labs?
And that owner is clearly a bit of a nut case, because I agree, that for her to shoot and kill the dog is pretty extreme. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that she probably hadn't a clue how to train a dog, any dog, let alone the breed she had.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'm not even suggesting that pits don't kill people in higher numbers than other dog breeds ... they likely do. But Rottweilers, Dobermans, and German Shepherds (for example) absolutely have, and do, kill people, fairly regularly.
Doesn't mean every one of them is a killer just waiting to snap. And it's absolutely not INVARIABLE that people around them claim (they never saw any sort of violent tendencies in the pet). Just like it's absolutely not true that everyone that kills someone always has the rest of the world claiming they were friggin' Mother Teresa.
Basically, you're exhibiting, to some extent, 'confirmation bias' here. You remember the times everyone said 'the dog/man was gentle/nice I never expected this' and ignoring the times that people were like 'yeah that man/dog was a well-known menace'. And I bet it doesn't stick in your mind when other breeds attack and kill people.
I friggin' KNOW my dog would never attack and try to kill a person. He's been around small children so many times and he's uber-gentle with them. He's as sweet and gentle and loving a pet as you'll ever meet ... he might get in a fight with another dog if one messed with him, but he wouldn't hurt a person. He's definitely never bit anyone on purpose, and you should see how sensitive he is if he accidentally nips you while playing tug-of-war and you go 'owwww!'. He immediately stops playing and gives you this baleful 'I'm so sorry!' look and waits for you tell him 'it's okay buddy I know you didn't mean to'.
It's peoples fault they're more likely to attack than other breeds, cause they've been selectively bred for aggressive/deadly tendencies and superior size and strength by assholes wanting them to fight, or make their owner 'look tough'.
But as long as you get a Pittie that comes from a line that wasn't bred that way (also helps if you treat them reasonably humanely, and raise them to respect you) ... they're friggin' amazing dogs.
Lastly, I'd be keen to know how much (if any) higher the RATE is of pitbull attacks, given that they're a pretty popular breed, there's a lot OF them.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)no matter what the breed. I have read articles where neighbors had complained and complained and nothing was done.
Somehow I'm not convinced that there are as many other fatal attacks by other breeds as you suggest. I do think they'd get reported.
And I understand that not all pit bulls are vicious killers. Maybe the real problem does come back to the owners.
The pit bull does seem reasonably popular, but offhand, among all my dog-owning acquaintances, I'm not sure I've ever known one with a put bull. So maybe they aren't so much popular as genuinely involved in a far higher rate of attacks than other breeds.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Afterall, if it is okay to act like a vigilante and stalk and murder a person of color like George Zimmerman, blowing away a puppy should not even merit pause. However, this is America, and many folks would feel a lot more outrage over the death of dog, then the murder of an African American teen.
FakeNoose
(32,791 posts)Some people shouldn't own dogs, others shouldn't own guns. This woman shouldn't have either.
That said, I think a pitbull is a very poor choice for a pet. If she got him as a guard dog, that's different. Guard dogs don't live in your house (or trailer) though, they need to be kept outside. Guard dogs are specially trained for a purpose - guarding someone's property. They have to be trained to obey the owner's voice commands, and the owner is responsible for any damage or injuries the dog may cause.
This poor little dog obviously had no training, and the woman apparently had no clue. She maybe got it at the pound, or possibly a friend gave it to her with no advice or warnings. I say that because our dog pound in Pittsburgh is overloaded with pitbulls, often running as high as 90% of all the dogs available for adoption. Well that tells you something, nobody wants these dogs because they're dangerous. They're not a fun pet to have in your house. They can't be your "buddy" but they can guard your house if you train them correctly.
Just sayin'