Arkansas lawmakers OK rules for expanded guns measure

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press


Updated 12:18 pm, Friday, December 15, 2017

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Arkansas lawmakers have approved the rules for a new measure expanding where concealed handguns are allowed, rejecting concerns that it would allow students to keep guns in dorms or could infringe on Second Amendment rights.

The Legislative Council approved the rules Friday for carrying out the law, which allows people with concealed handgun licenses to carry at college campuses, government buildings and some bars if they undergo additional training. The council is the Legislature's main governing body when lawmakers aren't in session.

Some lawmakers said the rules allowing guns in dorm rooms if they're kept within arm's reach of the licensee conflict with the law's intent. Some GOP lawmakers also complained that any limits on gun rights aren't constitutional.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Arkansas-lawmakers-OK-rules-for-expanded-guns-12433835.php

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[Irish_Dem]

1. What could go wrong with guns in college dorms?

Guess these legislators have never lived in a dorm on weekends.

[Faux pas]

2. Yeah

just add booze and hormones.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Dorm drama: Football games, romances, grades, roommate squabbles, drinking.

The poor judgment of kids.

The list goes on and on.

[Hangingon]

8. Way back in the day, there were guns in my dorm. Nothing happened. Nt

[maxsolomon]

9. Anecdotes are not Data

But cool story.

[Hangingon]

11. Didnt present it as data.

Just a response. She to the time worn, “what could go wrong” comment. But thanks for the condescending comment.

[maxsolomon]

12. De Nada. It's my Gun-thread Specialty.

Your experience differs significantly from that of 49 students at Virginia Tech.

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. Your "Gun-thread Specialty" isn't data, either. Do you have any you care to share with us?

Take your time...

[friendly_iconoclast]

15. Here's a question your sort has been dodging for six years, AFAIK:

Do *you* have an answer?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/en.wikipedia.org/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x382537#382537

What *empirical* evidence do you have that legal CCW weapons at colleges are harmful?

And, yes, in this instance I am looking for confirmable media accounts.

P.S.: I'm going to set the over/under on the first appearance of an account of illegal gun carriage/use passed off as legal carriage/use at the twentieth post.

The pearl claspers seem to be fond of faith-promoting rumor,
and I expect an account of a 'legal' gun owner (who actually wasn't) doing something stupid and/or criminal to appear in short order.

Let's see how long that takes, shall we?

Then (as now), the subject attracted lots of shouting, handwaving, posturing, Colonism...

"Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a post-graduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me."

Terry Pratchett, Jingo

...and little to no actual evidence

[maxsolomon]

17. are you arguing with yourself?

you're responding to yourself. is that what "your sort" does?

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. Were you unaware that the VT massacre had nothing to do with legal guns on campus?

If so, my apologies.

[maxsolomon]

16. i didn't claim to have data on guns in dorm rooms.

the poster thought his personal anecdote was relevant. I disagreed.

[friendly_iconoclast]

23. Guns weren't and aren't legal on campus (save for cops) at VT. That didn't stop anything.

However, they were and are legal at public colleges in Washington, Utah, Alaska, and now Texas.

Washington, Utah, and Alaska have had this for over a decade, so there is now 30+ years of data
to be had as to whether the practice is problematic as regards to actual crimes vs. gut feelings.

The question reposted upthread remains as yet unanswered.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. And of course they are going to allow concealed handguns

in the state capitol. If not, they are total hypocrites and need to be met with open-carry advocates everywhere they go.

Me? I hate guns and favor total confiscation. And yes, I understand that won't happen.

[Irish_Dem]

5. For themselves, they will make a safe environment.

For the rest of us, death is their goal.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. Death for the rest of us is not really their goal

in my opinion. It's just that they are so under the thrall of the NRA that they don't fully understand what can happen. With any luck at all several of them will lose children to guns. I know that sounds harsh, but maybe, just maybe if they suffered a loss because of their willingness to have guns everywhere but where they work they'll then understand how wrong that is.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Death is their goal when they cut Medicare, Soc Sec, and children's programs

The young and old are useless eaters.

[maxsolomon]

10. Red Meat for White Men

There's nothing Republicans won't do for the Unorganized Militia.

Except Regulate them well.

[TomSlick]

13. Given the Arkansas General Assembly,

I'm more worried about the legislators shooting the place up than unhappy constituents.

There is a certain precedent. In 1837, the Speaker of the Arkansas House stabbed a representative on the House floor.

[Hortensis]

20. Lol. This insanity has to be from spite--because they can, so

maybe liberal representatives should at least wear bulletproof vests when they expect things tq heat up.

[TomSlick]

26. That would be funny if it wasn't such a good idea.

I find myself at the General Assembly testifying on proposed legislation from time-to-time.

I wonder what a good bullet-proof vest costs.

[Hortensis]

27. Ouch. My lol was to your comment, and agree mine

should only be a really dumb attempt at humor. Probably you'll still be much more likely to just get punched, or maybe body slammed, but I heard Michael Grimm's running for his old seat again, so heads-up on balconies also just in case.

[BigDemVoter]

18. Stupid, fucking idiots.

[Cold War Spook]

19. If the 2nd Amendment is all encompassing

according to some, does that mean it is okay for me to carry my dirty bomb?

[Hortensis]

21. They'd love Somalia, and just maybe someday

Arkansans with yards large enough can also purchase tanks and anti-aircraft missiles.

[Aristus]

22. Well, it's not like I was itching to visit Arkansas again any time soon...

[rockfordfile]

25. Terrorists will love these NRA bills