Putin, Trump discuss bilateral relations, Korean Peninsula situation -Kremlin

[TomCADem]

Source: MSN/Reuters

Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump discussed bilateral relations and situation in the Korean Peninsula during a telephone call, the Kremlin said in a statement early on Friday.

Both leaders agreed to continue contacts, the Kremlin added, but did not provide further details.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-trump-discuss-bilateral-relations-korean-peninsula-situation-kremlin/ar-BBGKRQe?li=BBnbcA1

[C Moon]

1. Surprise, surprise.

[mpcamb]

23. Did they discuss the money trumpsky owes him?

[BigmanPigman]

2. Isn't it interesting that we find out about these meetings/calls from RUSSIA and not the US?

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Rachael mentioned it tonight on her show. We found out about the meetings in the White House last Spring and the one in Europe last Summer from their info sources and not ours.

[dchill]

3. There ought to be a law.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Why do you think Russia makes them public? What is their motive?

[BigmanPigman]

5. When you figure it out let me know.

Nothing makes much sense. As soon as I think I have my head wrapped around the current "news" something new is thrown at me and I am lost again.

[Irish_Dem]

6. I know, so many puzzle pieces I keep trying to put together.

It is almost like Putin is showing off, or else sending some kind of message to America or the world.

[bdamomma]

11. well something is going on

Mueller is getting very close to indicting and putin is giving trump instructions.

[SergeStorms]

7. Putin is trying to give the Russian people.....

the impression that the United States is now his bitch. Just like Trump, Putin is all about his image. In his nationalistic zeal, Putin believes the Unites States has made Russia look bad since the 90s before he took over. He's trying to build the Russian people's self-esteem back up, and make Russia seem on par with the U.S. in all aspects. He wants Russia to once again be the respected, feared, and regarded as the only other 'super power' on the planet.

Wait until the Russian people discover how many billions of dollars Putin has stolen from them. Ex-KGB be damned... they'll beat him to death in Red Square with their bare hands, and that terrifies him. It's reported that he's still obsessed with the death of Muammar Gaddafi, and how his "Loyal Subjects" beat him to death. He watches the video of that barbaric event over and over.

Lest you think I work for a government security agency, this was all on the PBS show 'Frontline' this week. I believe it was a re-run from earlier this year. It was a very informative look into the mind of Putin. He's an old school 'Cold Warrior', and in Trump he's found a useful idiot to do his bidding in the U.S.

[bdamomma]

12. oh yes

Putin is pulling the strings here big time. I also think Putin is giving trump a number of pats on head and to trump that is the highest honor to be admired by another dictator.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes he is manipulating Trump and continuing to push his goals.

[Irish_Dem]

13. What you say makes total sense.

I felt Putin was sending a message to someone and yes of course, he is sending the message to Russian citizens. Perhaps to the whole world: I am a force to be reckoned with. I own American and I can own anyone. I'm the man.

And yes I think he is running for "election" again, so the timing makes sense.

I would think by now the Russian people understand that he has drained their economy for his personal use. The people of Russia have a lower standard of living than the Chinese. It seems like that is what the GOP would like to do to the American people.

[bdamomma]

15. the Russian people hate

Putin don't they??? they don't live in the best circumstances either. I think Putin is the one to watch, but tRump continues to support him bigly.

Is it blackmail or a big pay off for trump to dissolve those sanctions which putin hates so much???

[Irish_Dem]

16. Or perhaps they admire his attempt to "Make Russia Great Again."

The same nonsense Trump spouts.
Yes the Russians have a very low standard of living.

I think there are both black mail and payoffs.

[bdamomma]

18. a lot of money and power

is in play here. Mueller won't stop or his team for that matter.

[Irish_Dem]

19. When you stop and think about all of it, it is mind boggling.

Putin is working hand in hand with the US president and members of the US congress. They are beholden to Putin because of the money he has given to them and almost certainly some sort of blackmail going on as well. Putin has cultivated American politicians for some time now.

American politicians who care nothing about the oaths they took, the Constitution, democracy or the American people.

[bdamomma]

25. $$$$$

is a key factor here. Repigs are cold calculating SOB's, always have been.

They don't care about the oath they took or the American people. Those who voted for tRump are in for a world of hurt, and us too.

I hope there will be a massive protest in the coming months.......we need to do this.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Yep they sold us out for money and power.

yes it is time for civil disobedience.

[SergeStorms]

24. Putin's propaganda seems to be working.

He's actually very popular in Russia, but for the life of me I can't understand why. I really don't think they know the scope of Putin's embezzlement from their country. Their standard of living hasn't been raised by much, except for the people who knew how capitalism worked, and cashed in on Russia's new found "freedoms" (which haven't been "found" at all, really). To the everyday Russian nothing much has changed. They can't afford the things they'd like, and even basic necessities are hard to come by. They've been bombarded by Putin's propaganda, though, and seem to believe that Russia is again a rich nation that is on the same footing as the United States in the world.
Putin is a very dangerous man, and for a political tyro like Trump to think that he "knows" Putin, and that they're "friends", just further demonstrates what a ignorant jackass Trump is.

[bdamomma]

27. Putin's plan

is working on the imbecile we have in the WH. tRump is a empty vessel and Putin is using him to further his own dominance and neutralizing our stand in the world. Putin hates free societies, and wants to make Russia the predominant world power.

I have never seen anything like this our arch enemy Russia being our friend???? I don't think so. Putin giving this stupid wanna be dict........tator compliments????? And their talking points are the same response. I agree with your comment how Putin is dangerous an ex- KGB'er I would think so.

[SergeStorms]

28. On the 'Frontline' show......

they discussed Putin's thinking before the 2016 Presidential election. Putin hated Hillary Clinton, and saw her as a much more formidable opponent than ANY Republican. Of the Republican candidates for President, Putin singled out Trump as the person he could most "work with", which in KGB means "influence" for Russia's benefit. The rest, as they say, is history. So all of those odd results in primaries, the ultimate "winner" in the Presidential debates, the hundreds/thousands of Facebook and Twitter posts about Clinton's health, her "grievous mistakes" as Sec State etc. were all manufactured by Putin's crack team of propagandists. He knew exactly where the divisions were in the American electorate, how to play to the racist and xenophobic Americans, how to appeal to the evangelical crowd and sell them on Trump, how to suppress anti-Trump votes in key states......all this, and more, were conducted from the Kremlin for Russia's benefit. Donald Trump was astonished when he actually won the election. Putin wasn't.

[haele]

21. Chaos and civil war.

White Nationalists and Radical Christianists have no problems with White Orthodox Putin running the show, because he thinks, as they do, that Democracy is a failed way of governing. There needs to be Masters and Slaves, and they're determined to be the Masters.

By exposing Drumpf as his puppet, he's forcing those Americans who believe in the Constitution to fight for their rights against his simplistic foot-soldiers, fellow-travelers, and business cronies who have bought wormed their way into the government over the past 40 years. The fact that he and the GOP have spent the past 40 years changing the environment makes it harder for Democracy to wake the F*** up and stop the slide into a populist madhouse where everyone is out for themselves.

Because that's what all strongmen and dictators want. A selfish population that is happy enough with the status quo, has no desire for improvement or innovation so long as they can step past increasing amounts of disposable population that they can pretend they're better than.

Haele

[Irish_Dem]

22. Excellent points Haele.

Very well stated. I think you are exactly correct.

Edited to add: The master/slave paradigm is where we are headed.

[bdamomma]

29. the master/slave paradigm

could that also be equated with rich vs poor, and I like to think optimistically on this don't the poor get to the point they rebel against the rich??? will it possibly get this point?

[Irish_Dem]

30. Yes, of course, it correlates with rich/poor.

Hard to say what will happen. Might be a revolution, might not.

If we look at history, the people have revolted against tyranny.

However, the American people seem relatively docile about the GOP/Russian takeover. And when they have protested en masse, like before the Iraqi War, and large protests against Trump, doesn't seem to have any impact on leadership.

And the Russian people are also docile against the ruthless dictator Putin who has drained their economy for his personal wealth, causing them a low standard of living.

The North Koreans, and the Chinese have been docile in the face of rigid authoritarian regimes.

So hard to say what will happen. Basically America is ruled by oligarchy, rule by the rich and powerful. Corrupt congress bribed and beholden to the wealthy. Elections rigged via gerrymandering, voter suppression and outright theft of votes.
A relentless and intense propaganda machine convinces us that the GOP are the good guys and the Dems are evil.

Even when a Dem gets in as president, he is fought tooth and nail by the GOP and his own party (Dems in congress fought Obama over health care, it was a disgrace). And when a Repug gets into the WH, all Obama's work is being reversed.

[bdamomma]

31. power in numbers???

doesn't that mean anything anymore???

[Irish_Dem]

32. Good point, yes.

China has the world's largest population, one and half billion people.
And a small cabal has held power for a long time. The Chinese people lived in abject poverty, miserable conditions and they accepted it. Times are different now in China, their standard of living has improved, but they still live under a dictatorship.

In China the leadership was quite worried about their huge population starving and the potential for rebellion. They made it a priority to feed the people better. And relaxed the rigid police state. The people are now happier, and the possibility of revolt is much lower.

The Russian population is 144 million and they tolerate a low standard of living and a ruthless dictator.

The world's dictators find a way to corral huge populations.

[bdamomma]

33. oh geez,

I find your last comment interesting. But that huge population could only be his small base, the majority of us wouldn't go along with this crap. The whole situation is sickening. We can see how Russia is the key manipulator in all of this. Plus we have a stupid imbecile in the WH who's ego is so big and being played by both China and Russia.

Makes me want to do this

[Irish_Dem]

34. Yes, America is not China or Russia.

We are a freedom loving and independent group of citizens.

But right now we have a corrupt government beholden to the rich and Russia.
A mentally ill, megalomanic president.

I honestly don't know how it will play out.

[bdamomma]

35. I don't know either how this will play out

it's like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[Irish_Dem]

36. I know, it feels much worse than the Nixon era.

Waiting and wondering what will happen. Nixon looks like a saint compared to the Trump crew, and GOP congress.

[bdamomma]

37. It does feel worse

could another factor be we have a very corrupt Congress. They don't give a shit either.

have you ever heard of a pResident not working with both sides of the aisle and making Democrats feel like they are enemies?? also liberals??? Pitting people against each other???

[Irish_Dem]

38. Yes it is very different. Back then we had a GOP congress who did the right thing.

Barry Goldwater walked up to the WH and told Nixon he had to go. Nixon listend and resigned.

Today we have a corrupt, gutless congress, who are also guilty of taking money from Russia. And a president who listens to no one, and is incapable of doing the right thing for the country.

Trump loves to create chaos and division. It is an age old formula for holding onto power. The British did the same when they ruled colonies all over the world. And the GOP has been using that strategy for some time now.... all the red meat issues they throw to their base is about creating division, hatred and fear for the purpose of maintaining power. The GOP leadership could care less about these red meat issues. Just manipulation.

[watoos]

8. First of all

I don't believe the official proclamation is what they talked about. That letter explaining the conversation was pre-written.
One explanation for revealing the phone call would be, see, Trump talked to Russia a lot, but it was strictly business, no hanky panky.

[Irish_Dem]

17. I agree. nt

[truthisfreedom]

9. translation: Putin controls NK. 45 knuckles under.

[Irish_Dem]

20. What does Putin want Trump to do or not do about NK?

What are Trump's marching orders from Putin??

[lark]

10. Translation -

Putin gives his puppet instructions on the next America destroying move he's commanded to make.