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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:02 PM Dec 2017

Moore Spox Falls Silent When Told Bible Isn't Required For Oaths Of Office

Source: Talking Points Memo




By ESME CRIBB Published DECEMBER 12, 2017 6:10 PM

A spokesman for Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore’s campaign on Tuesday appeared dumbfounded when asked whether he knew that there is no legal requirement for elected officials to be sworn in using a Christian bible.

“Judge Moore has also said that he doesn’t think a Muslim member of Congress should be allowed to be in Congress. Why? Under what provision of the Constitution?” CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Moore spokesman Ted Crockett.

Moore in 2006 said that Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, should not be sworn in because Moore claimed the Quran was not compatible with the Constitution.

“Because you have to swear on the Bible,” Crockett responded. “You have to swear on a Bible to be an elected official in the United States of America. He alleges that a Muslim cannot do that ethically, swearing on the Bible.”

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/moore-campaign-spokesman-silent-when-told-bible-not-necessary-for-swearing-in
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Moore Spox Falls Silent When Told Bible Isn't Required For Oaths Of Office (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2017 OP
If I ever get elected to office, I want to be sworn in on Darwin's Origin of Species nt Xipe Totec Dec 2017 #1
I like that idea PJMcK Dec 2017 #2
If There Was a Thought Bubble Roy Rolling Dec 2017 #19
I want to be sworn in on Amazing Fantasy 15 MurrayDelph Dec 2017 #23
Carl Sagans A Demon Haunted World JHB Dec 2017 #33
Dumbass doesn't know that my Rep was sworn in with Jefferson's Quran. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #3
I'd want a copy of the Declaration of Independence & the Constution. irisblue Dec 2017 #4
Good choice. murielm99 Dec 2017 #22
Duuuuuurrrrrrr. -_O_- Dec 2017 #5
Pricelessssssss. Truly choice. marble falls Dec 2017 #6
I seriously doubt whether they've really read the Bible SnowCritter Dec 2017 #7
Yes and don't forget the part that says FakeNoose Dec 2017 #10
Or the constitution for that matter. Salviati Dec 2017 #11
They thump it, they don't read it. HopeAgain Dec 2017 #26
That is amazing treestar Dec 2017 #30
In thirty years of practice in Iowa rsdsharp Dec 2017 #31
Book to be sworn in..All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten -Robert Fulghum SummerSnow Dec 2017 #8
I wonder if he knows congressmen aren't sworn in on ANY book jmowreader Dec 2017 #9
So sure in his ignorance. So matter-of-fact in his belief and so wrong in his facts. Solly Mack Dec 2017 #12
Swamp Thing! bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #13
For me, it'd be Raymond Chandler's "The Long Goodbye." dchill Dec 2017 #14
Good choice my dear ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #16
Yes. I just finished "The Big Sleep" - which I've already read... dchill Dec 2017 #17
Expected ignorance from an associate of Moore. nt oasis Dec 2017 #15
I could be sworn in on freaking Moby Dick if I wanted, you freaking moron! paleotn Dec 2017 #18
Same in court, swearing "to tell the truth" left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #20
I'd go for God Is Not Great jb5150 Dec 2017 #21
That was awesome. Egnever Dec 2017 #24
Jephthah Cold War Spook Dec 2017 #25
That video ended with a truly a brilliant demonstration of the term 'Slack Jaw' Siwsan Dec 2017 #27
Hullo? Hullo? ...are you there???.....Duhhhhh. Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #28
Hilarious. underpants Dec 2017 #29
the only thing that would have made it better is if a fly had flown into his gaping mouth onenote Dec 2017 #32

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
2. I like that idea
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:13 PM
Dec 2017

Or how about David Attenborough's "Life On Earth"?

Actually, how about no book at all? The Oath of Office itself should have enough meaning and commitment that it doesn't need any backstopping other than the Constitution.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
19. If There Was a Thought Bubble
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 10:46 PM
Dec 2017

If we could read his thoughts it would be "No Bible requirement! There will be if Moore is elected".

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
23. I want to be sworn in on Amazing Fantasy 15
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 01:58 AM
Dec 2017

the origin of Spider-Man, which ends with the moral "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility."

SnowCritter

(810 posts)
7. I seriously doubt whether they've really read the Bible
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:24 PM
Dec 2017

Matthew 5:33-37 says: 33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

But then they're Christians in name only (CINO) and really don't know much about what's in the Bible at all.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
10. Yes and don't forget the part that says
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:28 PM
Dec 2017

... "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

That's the one they always get stuck on.


Salviati

(6,008 posts)
11. Or the constitution for that matter.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:31 PM
Dec 2017

It's not even in one of the Amendments he wants to get rid of, but in the body of the Constitution itself:


Article VI, Section 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. That is amazing
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 09:06 AM
Dec 2017

Up until recently, people have been using the Bible in court to swear on.

In Delaware, I have seen in within the last 20 years.

Didn't previous generation Christians know these verses?

rsdsharp

(9,182 posts)
31. In thirty years of practice in Iowa
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:46 AM
Dec 2017

I have never seen a bible used in court during the administration of the oath. In fact, I have only heard "So help you God," once, and that was when the oath was administered to a member of Operation Rescue during a contempt hearing.

In a case in which we had a rabbi as a witness he was very concerned over whether he would be asked to swear an oath. The oath is actually "Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." He answered "I so affirm."

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
9. I wonder if he knows congressmen aren't sworn in on ANY book
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:26 PM
Dec 2017

This is the oath ceremony for the Senate in the 113th Congress, which was from 2013 to 2015.



Please note that their right hands are raised and their left hands are at their sides.

The ceremony where they put their left hand on the Bible isn't the official ceremony; it is a photo op for their constituents.

Solly Mack

(90,769 posts)
12. So sure in his ignorance. So matter-of-fact in his belief and so wrong in his facts.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 09:53 PM
Dec 2017

The poster boy for all his ilk.

dchill

(38,502 posts)
17. Yes. I just finished "The Big Sleep" - which I've already read...
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 10:19 PM
Dec 2017

three or four times. I'm not a snob, though - I also love Hammett and MacDonald.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
20. Same in court, swearing "to tell the truth"
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 11:08 PM
Dec 2017

You don't have to swear "so help me God".

You just have to 'affirm' or 'swear' to tell the truth.

Being Buddhist, it would do no good for me to swear "so help me God".

My Persian friend is a member of the Zoroastrian religion.
Would he swear "so help me Zoroaster"?

underpants

(182,823 posts)
29. Hilarious.
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 08:20 AM
Dec 2017

By convention, incoming presidents raise their right hand and place the left on a Bible or other book while taking the oath of office. In 1789, George Washington took the oath of office with an altar Bible borrowed from the St. John's Lodge No. 1, Ancient York Masons lodge in New York, and he kissed the Bible afterward.[17][18] Subsequent presidents up to and including Harry Truman, followed suit.[19] Dwight Eisenhower broke that tradition in 1953 when he said a prayer instead of kissing the Bible.[20]

Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901.[21] Both John Quincy Adams and Franklin Pierce [22] swore on a book of law, with the intention that they were swearing on the constitution.[23] Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in on a Roman Catholic missal on Air Force One.[24] Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, George H. W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump each swore the oath on two Bibles.[21]

onenote

(42,704 posts)
32. the only thing that would have made it better is if a fly had flown into his gaping mouth
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:01 PM
Dec 2017

while he sat there looking stupid.

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