A Woman Walking Her Dogs Was Allegedly Shot Dead By A Hunter Who Mistook Her For A Deer

[pnwmom]

Source: Buzz Feed

A woman walking her dogs in western upstate New York was accidentally shot dead Wednesday by a hunter who thought she was a deer, authorities said.

The Chautauqua County Sheriff's Office said Rosemary Billquist, 43, was walking her dogs shortly after 5 p.m. local time near her home in Sherman when she was shot once by Thomas Jadlowski.

"According to Jadlowski, he believed he saw a deer in a field when he fired a single shot pistol," the Sheriff's Office said. "Jadlowski reported hearing a scream and he immediately responded to the area approximately 200 yards away where he discovered Billquist."

The 34-year-old hunter called 911 and applied pressure to Billquist's wound until paramedics arrived.

Read more: https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/hunter-kills-woman-walking-dogs?utm_term=.yu0kPYZwRR#.mc4BY8v0aa

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Criminal charges will be forthcoming, I hope.

This crap happens every damn year.

[George II]

19. Unfortunately that doesn't always happen. There was a case in Maine years ago...

...when a woman was shot in her OWN backyard by a hunter who thought she was a deer. A grand jury didn't even indict him. One of the explanations was that she should have known enough to wear orange, even in her own backyard!

Only in America.

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. I remember that well.

She was hanging out clothes in her back yard. That blew my mind.

Awful. Just awful.

[Stuart G]

43. Here is the case ..in Maine, 20 years ago, woman shot in her OWN backyard

yes, this is true..read it at the link, From the Bangor Daily News:
By John Holyoke, BDN Staff • November 14, 2008 9:19 pm
Updated: March 20, 2011 6:16 am
__________________________________________________________________________

http://bangordailynews.com/2008/11/14/news/bangor/twenty-years-ago-two-shots-rang-out-forever-alteringlives-and-laws/

[Stuart G]

45. Here is a story from the NY Times (1989) about same killing of a woman in her own backyard..

Inclusive story published a year after the event.
The killing evidently took place in 1988...

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/10/magazine/a-killing-in-maine.html?pagewanted=all

[George II]

57. This is the article I found, from "New England Today", and it also appeared in Yankee Magazine:

https://newengland.com/today/living/new-england-history/karenwood/

What a horrible incident, what a barbaric society we live in.

There have been many others in Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.

[mainer]

85. Just had another recent death in Maine -- woman killed on her own land

Hunter mistook her for a deer. This time, I don't think the hunter's going to walk free.

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/10/29/woman-killed-in-hunting-incident-lived-in-hebron/

[njhoneybadger]

2. People hunt deer with pistols?

I've never heard of that before

[nocalflea]

9. Me neither.

Which makes me suspicious. Proximity ? No binoculars ?

My father taught me that you identify a target with binoculars, not a scope, in case of accidental discharge.

The deer hunters in my life worry about not getting a clean kill and do everything they can to minimize that possibility.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

42. And 200 yards...

... that is out of range for any pistol I know of. That is even a pretty long range for a chance shot with a scoped rifle, and I used to hunt deer with one.

One of the guys in our group would carry a .44 mag long barrel pistol for when he was walking shelterbelts of trees and through heavy brush/cattails, chasing deer out near homesteads. Often the deer will freeze and just stand there, 10 yards away when they know/smell hunters are up wind from them.

Just trying to fill in some blanks here for folks not familiar with deer hunting in areas where the deer population is so heavy that farmers welcome the culling of the local herds. The deer become, "rats", in the winter, eating stores of hay harvested for feeding livestock- beef cattle in the dead of winter. Often within 50 yards from the farm house. Those are the first ones responsible farmers and hunters go after on opening day. Been there, done that.

Back to the OP... 200 yards with a pistol? Something isn't being reported here.

PS: And I would always bring a Morrell's EZ Cut (top of the line) ham for the farmer(s) whose land I was invited to hunt on. They have tons, literally, of fresh meat, but hams are a treat.

[Midnight Writer]

67. Also after dark. Insane.

[Nitram]

87. 200 yards is not "out of range" for a pistol. It is too far too shoot accurately.

A 22 caliber bullet has a range of about a mile.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

91. 22 cal is illegal for deer in most states...

... and it is rare to use a pistol such as a scope mounted Thompson for deer hunting. Thompson's are mostly used for target competitions/shooting galleries. "Normal", legal caliber pistol loads do not have enough powder behind them to be effective at that range. The Thompson with long cartridges do. But that is besides the point here.

[sl8]

95. Apparently he was using a Thompson Center pistol.

Why do you say it's beside the point?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

99. Comparing apples to oranges...

... ie... "normal pistol", vs a Thompson Center pistol chambered for big game. The difference is about 2 inches in cartridge length, hence gunpowder behind the slug. The more gunpowder, the longer the range. He might as well had been using a full up deer rifle at that caliber. The Thompson Center pistols blur the line between what is generally considered a pistol and what is considered a niche gun. The usual deer hunter would never think of using such a gun. And that is what has us at this point. That and perhaps poor reporting/writing in the original articles.

[Nitram]

100. As Alice once said, "a pistol, is a pistol, is a pistol." Well, she said a "rose", but the point is

same. We're not comparing apples to oranges, we're comparing rifles to pistols. Introducing irrelevant distractions like your opinion of what a "normal" pistol is doesn't further the conversation. Ithink, you seem to be more interested in scoring debate points than sharing information.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

106. LMAO...

... nice try. Thompson Center were invented in the 60's. You won't see any John Wayne movies with him using a Thompson Center pistol. Sorry you are so argumentative this weekend. Project much? Hunt much? Have at it. Just wanted to inform those that not all pistols are revolvers or semi autos. But if you want to needle all weekend, I can link you with some PBS sewing shows.

Adios.

[Nitram]

97. My point about the 22 was not that even the lowly 22 short has a longer range than 200 yards.

I wasn't suggesting it would be the ideal round for deer hunting. The key word is "effective". Not out of range, but ineffective at that range.

[Igel]

59. I've heard of it.

Known people who did it.

Pistols are used for two reasons that I know of.

1. Wounded the deer, it's down, and it's the kill shot. Close quarters, in other words.

2. Heavy brush where using a long gun is a problem--either you can't move it quickly given what brush is present, or the brush is so thick you have trouble moving it even slowly.

[Nitram]

98. Hunting with large caliber pistols is a thing, like bow hunting, or black powder hunting.

[Sailor65x1]

51. Some do

The fact that the report states "Single Shot" suggest the Thompson Contender, which chambers all the way into the .308 class and makes a good deer weapon.

Unfortunately it can't detect an idiot behind the trigger.

[njhoneybadger]

54. Thank you for that info. nt

[ileus]

83. Yup I took several with my old TC.

Over the years I had a 308, 30-30. 223, 222, 44mag and several 22 barrels.

I only killed deer with the 44mag. The 308 and 30-30 were too hard on the wrist for me...

That being said I sure never felt comfortable shooting 200yds with the pistol.


Side note, my son harvested his second deer of the year with his grandfathers 243. Full daylight of course.

[GeoWilliam750]

65. Illinois, for example

http://www.illinoishunter.com/downloads/2017/Pages%203-4%20from%2017-18%20HuntTrapDigest.pdf

For the short Firearm seasons, hunters are allowed only Handgun, Shotgun, and Muzzleloader. No other firearms are allowed. Part of the reason for this is that typically all three types of the above weapons require a hunter to be very close to his/her quarry (less than 50 yards) to substantially reduce the likelihood of just such an occurrence as this. Another reason that high-velocity rifles are prohibited is that rounds fired from them maintain killing velocity for a great distance beyond what the hunter can see. Historically, handguns rounds did not.

Trespassing to hunt, after sunset, with a high powered weapon, 100 yards or so from a residence.

[Bengus81]

73. Something REALLY smells here.............

Who in the HELL would pull a stunt like this? A pistol,and 600 feet away and he just fires away--after SUNSET. Was that asshat DRUNK? Wonder if they checked that out when he called 911.

NO charges filed as of yet. SAY WHAT?!?!?

[LonePirate]

3. He murdered an innocent woman so I hope they prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.

[FakeNoose]

79. Not murder, this would be manslaughter 3rd degree

...however they might decide that it's an accident, depending on circumstances.

I agree that law enforcement is way too lenient with "accidents" during hunting season. Anybody who takes a loaded rifle or shotgun outdoors with them should be held responsible for whatever happens with that weapon.

I live in Pennsylvania now and I also lived in upstate NY for over 16 years, which are both prime deer-hunting states. It seems that tragic hunting accidents happen way too often with loaded weapons and lack of foresight (carelessness). On the other hand, you would never see someone walking in the woods during deer season here in PA, and I truly wonder why that woman did it in NY. Did she really not know it was deer season? Not saying it was her fault, though. This is tragic in any case.

[Paladin]

81. Actually, you ARE trying to shift some of the blame to the victim.

Don't feel too bad---unfortunately, you have company on this thread.

[FakeNoose]

82. You've read my post incorrectly

[alphafemale]

84. So if I walk on a sidewalk it is MY FAULT if a drunk hits me?

Fuck lousy hunters.

We can't walk outside....because lousy hunters cannot clearly ID a target and then are such a damn coward they run and leave a woman to die when they see what they did.

[iluvtennis]

4. This really needs to stop...didn't he see her two dogs...not too many deer that would loping in

front of two dogs

[CanonRay]

5. A pistol at 200 yards?

Excuse me? He prob shot at a deer and missed.

[mobeau69]

8. Who hunts deer with a pistol?

[juxtaposed]

13. idiots

[Sailor65x1]

53. Some do

The fact that the report states "Single Shot" suggests the Thompson Contender, which chambers all the way into the .308 class and makes a good deer weapon.

Unfortunately it can't detect an idiot behind the trigger.

[jmowreader]

62. Could "single shot" actually mean "single action"?

I'm thinking Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum with 10-1/2" barrel and a scope. They're good brush guns out to about 200 yards. He saw her after dark, which throws off your ability to estimate range.

The guy still needs to have his butt kicked into a cage for the next ten years...there's a reason why one of the cardinal rules of hunting is "know exactly what you're shooting at."

[Sailor65x1]

64. They ccertainly could have meant that

Which would bring the Ruger into the realm of possibilities for sure.

And yes, he needs to go away for a long time. No excuse, no justification at all for something like this.

[Old Vet]

78. There you go, Thats what I was thinking.......

[unblock]

6. D'oh! A deer. A female deer....

Poor taste, sorry....

[50 Shades Of Blue]

7. Disgusting.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

28. Disgusting is the guy shooting her; to keep our sanity some need to

recognize the absurdity. Why no outrage for her killer?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

31. Not worth responding to.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

33. Which is why you responded?

[BigmanPigman]

10. This should have been ended when Cheney shot his friend while hunting.

American men and the NRA Congress love to kill through any means possible. The next "round" will be genocide GOP style through the Tax Scam and Hellcare (bankruptcy, illness/slow, agonizing death or both). No wonder they want guns...thin the herd. No wonder they welcome climate change...their descendents will have billions to be able to live on yachts. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Perseus]

11. So the guy sees a deer and he

immediately jumps off his couch, grabs his "hand gun" (because he is such a great hunter that he doesn't need a rifle), and shoots at any deer that crosses his path.

And he thought the deer was, 1) walking on its hind legs pretending to be a human, 2) and walking its dogs, because deer nowadays keep dogs as pets.

I believe this is what happened:
1. He had a gun
2. He wanted to shoot at something, it did not matter what.

Although it may come down during investigation that he may have had a problem with the neighbour?

What a tragedy...so unnecessary.

[OnlinePoker]

12. 5 PM? This time of year it's already getting dark by then. n/t

[bullwinkle428]

24. Sunset took place at 4:44, so he was in violation of that at the very least.

This happened like locally (in the area I'm visiting) so it's pretty much the top local story. Victim was an avid runner and cyclist, so this wasn't a case of some elderly person approaching "death's door".

[Cryptoad]

38. In my state deer hunting after dark is a felony

and if u accidentally kill somebody during the act, u can be tried for manslaughter at the least.

[Igel]

60. There's a difference between "after dark" and "after sunset."

In NY, it's "after sunset."

14 minutes after official sunset it's not quite dark.

[3catwoman3]

14. Do hunters typically go deer hunting...

...in the dark?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

46. Poachers do...

... eom.

[paleotn]

76. Spot lighters and other malcontents.

[CrispyQ]

15. "he believed he saw a deer in a field..."

So he shot before confirming what his target actually was. I hope he faces criminal charges.

Also, who writes these headlines? The woman was not allegedly shot dead, she was shot dead! The hunter, however, allegedly mistook her for a deer.

[RhodeIslandOne]

16. Five o clock is after sunset this time of year

Hell, after last light in most places.

This sounds fishy. Deer hunting with a pistol?

[Sancho]

27. At 200 yards too!

[The Mouth]

17. Lock him up, throw away the key

Make an example of this stupid son of a bitch.

[Stuart G]

40. He knew he was not supposed to be hunting at night, but he had to get a shot in anyway.

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I agree, put him away for good.

[dalton99a]

18. Idiot is a clear menace to society

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

20. There were gunshots in the woods we live in all day today.

It always makes me nervous. But I'm supposed to trust that these are responsible hunters. Very sorry for the woman. And hoping this was a rare case of negligence.

[djg21]

21. Who hunts dear with

a single-shot pistol?

[oneshooter]

90. Here are a few specialized pistols used for this type of target shooting/hunting

Both are single shot

[MrModerate]

22. Deer hunting at 200 yards with a pistol?

Does anyone at all believe that?

[LiberalFighter]

23. I couldn't find anything suggesting that they allowed pistols for deer hunting in NY.

[Kaleva]

26. In certain parts of lower Michigan, only handguns and shotguns are allowed for taking deer

But i can't find anything in regards to what New York allows or requires.

[Crabby Appleton]

68. Centerfire handguns with barrel length less than 16 inch are permitted

see:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/35010.html

Bow, Crossbow, Muzzleloader, Handgun, Shotgun and Rifle Areas:

All of Northern Zone (see description of Northern-Southern Zone Line).

All of Albany (except WMU 4J which is bow only), Allegany, Cattaraugus, Cayuga, Chemung, Chenango, Columbia, Cortland, Delaware, Fulton, Genesee, Greene, Herkimer, Livingston, Madison, Montgomery, Oneida, Ontario, Orange, Orleans, Oswego, Otsego, Rensselaer, Saratoga, Seneca, Schenectady, Schoharie, Schuyler, Steuben, Sullivan, Tioga, Ulster, Washington, Wayne, Wyoming, and Yates counties. Also all of Broome County except the city of Binghamton, and the portion of Chautauqua south of Rt. 20.

Bow, Crossbow, Muzzleloader, Handgun, and Shotgun Areas:

All of the following counties, except the areas listed in parentheses: Chautauqua (except south of Rt. 20 where rifles are also legal), Dutchess, Erie (except WMU 9C which is closed to big game hunting), Monroe (except WMU 8C which is bow only), Niagara, Onondaga, Putnam, Rockland, and Tompkins counties.

[Sancho]

25. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[Kaleva]

29. After sunset....shoots at target 200 yards away with a handgun

Some people should not be allowed to have guns.

Personally, I stay out of fields and woods during deer hunting season.

[Sneederbunk]

30. Guns don't kill people. Gun owners kill people.

[Judi Lynn]

48. Exactly! Thanks. n/t

[left-of-center2012]

32. He hit her at 200 yards with a pistol? Seriously?

From the link:

"The Chautauqua County District Attorney's Office will review the case
to determine whether Jadlowski will face criminal charges."

Not seeing a deer here:

[Cryptoad]

39. They make single shot pistols that fire rifle ammo

they can also have a scope mount. kinda like a sawed off rifle, heh?

[left-of-center2012]

44. They may ...

But what did he use?

[Hoyt]

34. Christ, even our Gungeoneers don't claim to be able to hit a target at 200 yards with a pistol.

Something ain't right with this, or most other gun tragedies we are forced to endure.

[oneshooter]

113. Are you saying that it can not be done?

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av%2Cm%3Asp-qrw-orig-top&ei=UTF-8&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=200yd+pistol+shooting&norw=1#id=2&vid=6b831a6f809b66e03dbbc743c451428b&action=view

[Hoyt]

114. No, SHOOTER, I'm saying it is irresponsible to hunt deer at 200 yards with a pistol.

I would think that most "responsible gun owners" feel the same, assuming there really is such a thing.

[oneshooter]

116. And why would it be "irresponsible"?

There are many highly skilled shooters who could make the shot, and drop the animal with only that shot.

I know several, capable of hitting a steel ram at 500yds.

[Stuart G]

35. According to an article, the hunter broke 2 laws,, 1. hunting on property not allowed to hunt on

2. hunting at night, illegal in New York State...

number 1 ...he was hunting on private property, where he had no permission to hunt there. It was a neighbor of the woman shot, no hunting is allowed on that land.

[Kaleva]

72. According to another article, the shooter was hunting in his back yard

"A neighbor, Thomas B. Jadlowski, thought he saw a deer in his back yard 200 yards away and fired a single shot. Then he heard a scream. Realizing he'd shot a person, he ran out to help, Chautauqua County Sheriff's Office officials said in a news release."

http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2017/11/he_thought_he_saw_a_deer_and_f.html

[Stuart G]

36. from the Buffalo News, in Buffalo NY (violation of law to hunt deer after sunset)

"Sheriff's officials said Jadlowski has been cooperating with investigators but so far no charges have been filed. The investigation showed that Jadlowski reported the shooting at 5:24 p.m., which was 40 minutes after sunset. It is a violation of state hunting laws to hunt deer after sunset, sheriff's officials said."

http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/husband-of-hunting-accident-victim-her-life-was-cut-way-too-short/

also at the same source:

Jamie Billquist said that his wife was on the property of their next-door neighbor when she was shot. He said that Jadlowski didn't have permission to be hunting on the neighbor's property.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

The hunter knew exactly what he was doing. trying to kill an animal at a time that was illegal, and a place he where he was shooting was illegal....He had to shoot a deer. I will not say what I think they should do to him.

[flotsam]

41. Kind of off topic

But media outlets really need old fashioned editors. Look at that mess of a headline-is it alleged that the woman is dead, or is it alleged that she was shot, or is it alleged that she was killed by a hunter?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

47. Lack of real editors is epidemic...

... nationwide. It appears to me that all but the most lengthy articles are composed on an iPhone or Android phone. Lousy language usages, syntax, etc... too many articles look like a message sent while texting and doing something else at the same time. And I am sure the, "editors", of today are doing the editing in much the same way as the composer.

[Sneederbunk]

49. These days we are lucky if we get the 5 Ws.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

58. Yes...

... I was the sports editor for our high school paper and did everything, even the composing/typesetting on iTek composer. I then did the same on a Compugraphic composer when at Augustana University for The Mirror student newspaper.

Here is what I started with at SDSD: [link:http://macpro.freeshell.org/quadritek/q1.html|

[Nitram]

101. I guess some of you don't realize that newspapers are struggling to survive.

I accept some poor editing along with the good reporting. That said, this its probably a small town knew-spare running on a shoestring budget.

[Codeine]

70. Not a dime of profit left in print media anymore.

I'm surprised it's still hanging on at all. Certainly no budget for proofing or for paying people who actually know how to construct a sentence.

[Judi Lynn]

50. He was absolutely hunting in the dark.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4643525/hunter-fatally-shoots-woman-he-believed-to-be-a-deer/

Thomas Jadlowski



Rosemary Billquist

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-fatally-shot-hunter-mistook-deer-article-1.3654778

[LBM20]

52. If you are near woods this time of year WEAR BLAZE ORANGE! And put it on your dogs too.

[Kaleva]

55. Best to avoid that altogether if possible

Some hunters shoot on sound.

[groundloop]

63. I'm sorry, but not everyone is aware of hunting season, wearing orange, etc. etc.

We ought to be able to walk our pets without fear of being killed, and we should be able to wear what the hell ever we want. The problems isn't that people don't fucking wear orange, the problem is all of these damned idiots with guns who have no clue what they're doing.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

69. It's an unfortunate fact of life in rural and semi rural areas.

When my partner's parents lived in the country his stepdad wouldn't let us walk the trail on their property during hunting season. He sad they "sneak under the fence and shoot anything that moves"

My buddy's mom in Michigan said the same thing. We walked by the grocery store and saw to big fat dudes in camouflage loading their trunk with beer "that's why we can't hike during hunting season "

[kwalter66]

112. Don't drive your car either

Yahoo "hunters' managed to shoot the sunroof of my car out while I was driving down the road at 50 MPH coming home from the grocery store. Guess I should have know better and been driving my reflective bright orange car at that time of year huh.

[Kaleva]

71. She grew up in the area.

Just as runners and bicyclists wear reflective clothing, if you are out and about in the fields or woods during deer season, it's common sense to wear orange. As I've said in previous posts, I stay away from fields and woods during deer season. I also stay off the highways on New Year's Eve because of the drunks driving.

The shooter, I wouldn't call him a hunter, is an idiot and deserves prison time.

[Nitram]

102. In dark, or near darkness, orange looks black. nt

[customerserviceguy]

108. Ah, blaming the victim for what she was or was not wearing

Where have I heard that before?

Maybe the best thing to do is to enlarge the "no hunting" zones in areas where people live. There is still a lot of wilderness to hunt, and the shooter should always be held responsible for what happens when they're using the weapon.

[jpak]

56. After 5 PM? Isn't that after legal hunting hours?

It's almost pitch black at that latitude this time of year.

He's an asshole.

Take his guns.

[Ilsa]

61. He took a woman's life by being careless.

I think prison time is warranted.

[burrowowl]

66. Me too!

After dark and 200 yds away and thought he was shooting a deer, the least charge would be reckless discharge of a fire arm and endangerment, however I think there is something more and he should go to prison for a long, long time.

[Bengus81]

74. This happened on Wed--NO charges filed yet.

Waiting to see what the NRA's take is on this?? I could think of SEVERAL charges right now and all would lead to prison time.

[Paladin]

75. Inexcusable. Lock him up. (nt)

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

77. Ahhh, another responsible gun owner does something tragically wrong.

Just a bit of sarcasm there.

Is hunting season in New York simply a free-for-all where anyone with a gun can shoot at anything that moves absolutely anywhere? Are permits not needed? And why the hell do people need to be wearing bright orange all the time? Why can't the hunters exercise reasonable caution?

And I doubt that the man who murdered Ms Billquist will be prosecuted. Law enforcement and the entire legal system will do the typical hand-wringing and sobbing that this was just a terrible accident, could have happened to anyone at any time. Although there's a distant possibility that he'll be held accountable because he did his deed after sunset, and shouldn't he have been aware that he wasn't supposed to be hunting that time of day?

Why I think that even hunters shouldn't have guns at ready hand, but when hunting season happens, they get whatever license is needed and go to a central storage/gun control point to get the appropriate weapon and limited bullets and then they can go hunt. And the gun needs to be returned each evening.

And a quick google search reveals that approximately a thousand people are shot each year in hunting "accidents", and about a hundred of them die. These numbers include both the U.S. and Canada. So it only seems to make the national news if the killing is especially egregious, as in this one.

[Cold War Spook]

80. Maybe not an accident?

The police should do a complete file on both people and see if there is a connection besides being neighbors.

[alphafemale]

86. It seems you can randomly murder humans for fun in November.

Look at that smiling face.

Murder excused. Because----Hunting season.

[rockfordfile]

88. He should be put in jail for every year of her life.

The guy is a murder.

[Egnever]

89. Deer hunting with a pistol

Color me skeptical

[alarimer]

92. Who shoots a deer with a pistol?

Was he really hunting or just screwing around with guns?

[oneshooter]

93. I have shot 3 deer with a pistol.

Range was between 50-75 yards. Sitting position, Ruger 44mag revolver with a 7 1/2" barrel. All fell where they were standing and required no follow up shot.

[Paladin]

96. Were those kills during legal shooting hours? Were you trespassing?

Just wondering.

Always bizarrely entertaining to witness our resident Gun Enthusiasts, providing deflection fire for dipshits with firearms.

[oneshooter]

109. Yes. No.

I had a 1200acre hunting lease, a license to hunt in Texas, it was in the morning.

A question was asked, I answered.

[Justice]

107. 50-75 yards is much closer than 200 after dark

[oneshooter]

110. And I was using the open sights that were factory installed. n/t

[area51]

94. I was suddenly reminded of this book:

The Man Who Mistook his Wife for a Hat.

[democratisphere]

103. Hunters like this should forever lose their right to bear arms AND

be indicted on manslaughter charges. F'ing idiots!

[Beartracks]

104. FFS. "Thinking" you see a deer is different than "knowing."

You can't visualize the deer? Then don't take the damn shot.



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[doc03]

105. A couple years ago in Ohio an

Amish teenage girl was killed while riding in a horse drawn buggy. The person that shot her had shot his gun in the air more than a mile away.

[gibraltar72]

111. Is she

allegedly dead or actually dead?

[red dog 1]

115. When assholes are outlawed, only outlaws will have assholes.

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