Video of Texas Shooting Captured Bloodbath

[DonViejo]

Source: New York Times




By ADAM GOLDMAN and RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑANOV. 8, 2017

The gunman who committed the massacre in a rural Texas church fired continuously for several minutes, methodically shooting his victims – including small children – in the head, execution-style, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said on Wednesday.

A video camera captured the bloodbath inside the church, which left 26 people dead and 20 wounded — the worst mass shooting in Texas history — and state and federal investigators have reviewed that gruesome footage. The official estimated that the shooting in the video lasted about seven minutes. The church routinely recorded its services, and often posted the resulting videos online.

The killer, armed with an assault rifle, went to the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs on Sunday morning with magazines capable of holding more than 400 rounds of ammunition, but it is not clear how many shots he actually fired, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The gunman, Devin P. Kelley, 26, had legally purchased four firearms, including the Ruger AR-556 semiautomatic assault rifle he used at the church. Investigators have recovered three of the weapons, and are still searching for the fourth. The gunman also had an Apple iPhone with him, according to people familiar with the investigation, but the F.B.I. has not been able to unlock the device.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/us/texas-shooting-video-devin-kelley.html

[Historic NY]

1. Play it to the congress...

let them see what they get for their NRA contributions

[PatSeg]

12. Absolutely

Over and over again until they get it.

I remember seeing an interview with an Australian politician who voted for stricter gun regulations. He lost his next election, but said he had no regrets, as it was the right thing to do. Surely there are more important things than "winning". Is there any line that republicans won't cross?

[SergeStorms]

54. Apparently....

there are none. No lines that are currently in existence, anyway. They are scum.

[PatSeg]

56. Yeah

I could accept that I disagreed with their politics and policies, but apparently they don't believe any of the shit they dish out. There used to be a handful of "true believers" who really were conservatives, but this batch is a bunch of whores and grifters.

[Ilsa]

22. I posted a themread about this yesterday.

It might be too traumatic go be made publicly available, but I think it should be required viewing for everyone in Congress. After all, a jury would be forced to watch it.

[Bengus81]

35. It would bother those NEO CONS for oh....a minute or two

Then back to getting re-elected with all the health insurance perks,travel,nice paycheck,trophy wife and months off per year. Fuck,they care about NOTHING except keeping that wheel turning.

[Homeoutside]

2. Gun nuts

should be required to watch the video. I'll hold their heads facing forward.

[IronLionZion]

7. Gun nuts love it

and are deluding themselves with a story of brave heroes engaging the shooter in a wild west shootout

[PSPS]

18. Are you kidding? They'd gladly watch it over and over with their hand busy in their pants.

[MurderMittenLiberal]

24. Clockwork Orange Style

With their eyes held open

[They_Live]

27. Yes.

And they have to watch the entire video. Then "counseling". Required.

[captain queeg]

25. Eisenhower made his generals walk thru the concentration camp

As well as locals and especially journalists. He wanted to record it because future generations would deny it happened. He nailed that.

You know who couldn't handle it ol "Blood and Guts" Patton

[BigmanPigman]

34. I heard of this too. I thought it was such clear and brilliant foresight.

The generals called for photographers and film directors and they were sent to go to Germany to document the evidence. Patton threw up when he saw the atrocities first hand.

[Hestia]

44. Alfred Hitchcock helped make a film about that very topic in 1945. It was never released because

"we" needed Germany to be friends, healing, etc. But boy, he got everything. It's a documentary on Netflix that was just released in the last year or so. Highly recommend. Especially the part where the citizens who live in a lovely village had a concentration camp just outside of their village. The generals marched every person around the camp, showing them everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Will_Fall

The 1945 documentary, based on the work of combat cameramen serving with the armed forces and newsreel footage, was produced by Sidney Bernstein, then a British government official, with participation by Alfred Hitchcock. About 12 minutes of footage in this 75-minute film is from the earlier documentary.[1][2]

The title of the film was derived from a line of narration in the 1945 documentary: “Unless the world learns the lesson these pictures teach, night will fall.”[3]

As the film begins, British forces liberate the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. They took the camp commander, Josef Kramer, and the camp guards as POWs, later forcing them to aid in burial of the masses of dead, whose bodies had been left on the ground all around the camp. Other camps are shown being liberated, including Auschwitz and Majdanek in Poland. The latter camps are shown by footage shot by Soviet cameramen. When Westerners first saw such footage, they suspected that the Soviets had produced atrocity propaganda, as had been the case in some instances. The Allies forced civilians from nearby towns and German servicemen to tour the camps, in order to acknowledge what had taken place under their government and in their neighborhood. They were forced to see the piles of persons who died from starvation, torture and disease; partially burned remains in the crematoria; gruesome displays, including shrunken skulls, and bales of hair, piles of clothing, children's toys, and eyeglasses.

Survivors such as Anita Lasker-Wallfisch were interviewed for this film.[4] Eva Mozes Kor tells about the sight of soldiers in white camouflage uniforms, liberating the camp while it snowed, and the soldiers giving prisoners chocolate, cookies and hugs.

[BigmanPigman]

49. I am not sure if I saw that particular one or not.

Last year TCM aired several films from various directors (I think George Stevens was one of them) that were documentation of what was happening throughout the 3rd Reich. There were British and American films. A lot of great directors, such as Fritz Lang, left Germany when they realized what was happening. I was living in France in 2005 and there were anniversaries celebrating the liberation of a lot of cities throughout Europe. The German citizens living by the camps claimed ignorance yet the smell and ashes falling from clear blue skies for years proved them to be compliant with the Germans and the use of crematoriums/gas chambers.

[Hestia]

58. Thanks for the info - I think I first saw the doc on TCM and then Netflix acquired this doc

[Lucky Luciano]

50. This should work

[Sneederbunk]

3. Should be mandatory viewing by members of Congress

[Fred Sanders]

6. It would offend their delicate dispositions. Why should we all not see the evidence before

reaching a verdict on gun control?

Cowards and slaves to the NRA.

[snooper2]

9. Should be mandator viewing for all Americans age 14 and up

[MFM008]

4. It is beyond me

How someone could do this especially to kids.
And I hate republicans and maggot voters pretty bad.
Just unfathomable.

[Fred Sanders]

5. I guarantee if this video is made public the public will be clamouring for control of the WMD

that was used...as they are always used in gun crazy USA.

Make America Gunlovers Again?

[FailureToCommunicate]

8. Make it required viewing for every gun license application. In drivers ed we had to watch

movies of awful, bloody carnage caused by misuse of those hunks of steel we were learning to use...

[BumRushDaShow]

11. And note that many women who want to get an abortion

are forced to receive "counseling", in some cases required to "listen to the heartbeat" or "see the shape of the (ed: blastocysts) embryo".

[fierywoman]

14. Brilliant idea!!!

[jberryhill]

28. "gun license application"

And what, pray tell, is a "gun license application"?

[FailureToCommunicate]

38. Maybe it's called something else in your state

"Application info available here":https://www.mass.gov/how-to/apply-for-a-firearms-license

[jberryhill]

41. Yeah, it's called "buy a gun"

Very few states have any sort of license or permit requirements for owning a firearm.

[Heddi]

42. strange, when I bought my handgun in Fl last year

I had to fill out an application and wait 3 days, so it's interesting that this map shows that FL has no registration when I clearly had to fill out quite a bit of paperwork

[ManiacJoe]

43. You were filling out the paperwork for the background check.

There is no license to "buy a firearm".
There is no central registration of firearms ownership.

[Heddi]

45. ah, okay

[jberryhill]

46. Ummm...

And what is the last digit of your Florida gun license, just out of curiosity.

[Heddi]

47. Well I just said I didn't know what it was

just that I had to fill out paperwork

[jberryhill]

48. No worries

I’m occasionally surprised by how commonly it is believed that ordinary firearms are subject to licensing or registration requirements.

[FailureToCommunicate]

51. Come North and try that in Massachusetts. You'll need one of these...

"Apply for a firearms license:
A firearms license is required to possess or carry firearms in Massachusetts."

From that link I previously posted.

https://www.mass.gov/how-to/apply-for-a-firearms-license

[jberryhill]

52. Yes

I was responding to the comment to the effect that it may be called something else in my state. MA is unusual in that regard.

[jalan48]

10. Make it public.

[Vinca]

13. Show the carnage. I noticed we aren't even shown the bodies being carried out on gurneys.

It's all very sanitized. I imagine if people saw the horror it would wake some up.

[Blue_Tires]

16. He shot a 17-month-old girl

No way am I watching that...

[forgotmylogin]

20. Even if they blur everything out.

I'm sure they could play the soundtrack and it would probably still be highly effective.

[UpInArms]

15. Reminds me of this

Former First Lady Barbara Bush said of the war in Iraq: “Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”

[SoCalMusicLover]

17. It Is So Nice To See I Hold A View Similar To Others

I think that actually seeing video of what these guns are capable of, would shake reality into some of these morons who can do nothing better than send "thoughts & prayers."

It's to the point where the victims are just names and parts of a death count. But they didn't just "die," they were killed in a horrible manner, and the end result is something that any sane person would find too traumatic to view for even 1 second. Can you imagine the sounds in that Church? The brutality that lasted 7 minutes.

[jberryhill]

29. There's no telling what effect it has on others

Your mileage may vary.

For as many reality-shaken morons, I guarantee you there are sickos who would find it inspirational.

There's a couple hundred million people in this country. A good percentage are stone cold crazy.

[forgotmylogin]

19. I predicted this a couple days ago...

CNN had shown a video of a normal church service from last week, and I went "Ohh. Fixed camera. They tape all their services..."

[MrScorpio]

21. I'm sure that the 2nd Amendment purists would try to shame the child victims for not being armed

And then tell us, in great detail, what's the best weapon for a five year old to use to defend themselves.

[Paladin]

23. If nothing else, mandatory showings should be arranged.....

....for the usual bunch of conspiracy nuts who claim the church slaughter never happened. And yeah, Texas boy Alex Jones, I'm talking about you. A little well-deserved payback for the sub-humans who added to the grief of the Sandy Hook parents.

[jberryhill]

30. You underestimate them

C'mon, you know these people and how they think.

They will find "anomalies" in the video. The video will be fake. There will be hour-long explanations on YouTube complete with fuzzy still frames and red arrows pointing at things which prove it is fake.

"You see that flower arrangement over there? Look. Halfway through it disappears. That proves the video was done in at least two takes..."

After years of watching internet conspiracy nuts in action, it's astounding that one would think that "more evidence" would prove anything to them. It simply gives them more material to work with.

[Paladin]

32. I'd still like to see them subjected to it.

Let them watch a child getting torn to shreads by a madman's .223 bullets, then try a convincing argument for "anomalies." I'm betting the overwhelming majority of such trash couldn't do it.

[jberryhill]

33. Oh, come now

They use videos of planes flying into the World Trade Center to prove there were no planes.

[Paladin]

36. You're empowering them, and they are unworthy of it. (nt)

[jberryhill]

37. You know....

If you have company over, your dog is going to lay down in the middle of the floor and lick his balls.

My saying that doesn't make it happen. It's just that I know its what dogs do. I'm not "empowering" dogs to do that. I've seen a lot of dogs in action.

Tinfoilhattery has never, in my observation, been subject to rational refutation.

Hey, let's show people videos of the moon landings, so they can't deny it happened! As if.

Let's show people films of Nazi death camps, so they can't deny it happened! As if.

Let's show people Obama's birth certificate...

etc., etc.

There is no evidence that can overcome the irrational mind.

[xor]

39. Agreed. There is no possible way to convince those people to think rationally

Did you know that gravity doesn't exist? There are hundreds of hour long videos on youtube that will convince you of this fact. Just ignore all the paid shills and government trolls who trying to use logic, science, and common sense to discredit the gravity hoax truth seekers.

[jberryhill]

40. Some of the flat earth stuff is pretty good

I think some of this stuff consists of elaborate put-ons by folks who want to see whether they can get other people to believe it.

[turbinetree]

26. They could have been shown the pictures of the Sandy Hook massacre, the Aurora Cinema massacre

they don't care:

Just click on the date: enter a name and see what your congressman or senator got from the NRA, this doesn't include the gun manufactures:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000082&type=P&state=&sort=A&cycle=2016

They have sold themselves out in some cases for less than $5,950, your life is only worth $5,950 ask Paul Ryan

[Skittles]

31. gun humpers DO.NOT.CARE.

ALL THEY CARE about is their precious weapons - THEY'RE SICK

[SoCalMusicLover]

53. If Asshole Had Lived, Video Would Probably Be Shown As Evidence During Trial

I would imagine, as with the Flight 93 audio, the families are given the opportunity to watch it, but perhaps not.

[pansypoo53219]

55. make wayne fuckin lapoopoo watch it ala clockwork orange.

[davsand]

57. Showing that footage will do no good in most cases.

I understand that we all are horrified at what happened in that church, and we all carry hope that the horror will change legislator's hearts and minds. It might turn a few hearts, I would hope. I sincerely doubt, however, that the showing of that horror with do enough to change much.

I will guarantee you that a large portion of the people who disagreed with us all after Las Vegas, Sandy Hook, Pulse Nightclub, and (insert mass shooting event here) will view that video and look for ways to say that if the people in that church had only been armed, the shooter could have been stopped. It is an urban fantasy in that crowd that somehow they will be the hero to stand up against some guy spewing bullets promiscuously, and they will do it using a concealable handgun with an average sized clip that they had tucked under an arm or in their belt. "I hit the center mass every time on the range." or some variant is gonna be their logic. Thing is, MOST of them have zero idea or training in what it is to function in a setting that stressful and that rushed.

How many have to bleed and die, how many need to weep before sanity sets in? I honestly don't know any more.


Laura