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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:27 PM Nov 2017

Michelle Obama Lectures Men: 'Y'all need to go talk to each other'

Source: Newsweek Magazine



BY ANNA MENTA ON 11/1/17 AT 3:21 PM

Michelle Obama has a message for the men of the world: Do better, try harder and most importantly, communicate more.

On Wednesday, the former first lady sat down with poet Elizabeth Alexander on the second day of the Obama Foundation Summit in Chicago, the first of an annual event. The topic turned to gender, and Obama had some choice words: She noted that women tend to communicate, reflect and support each other better than men—something she feels needs to change.

"Y'all should get you some friends," she laughed, pointing to the men in the audience. "Y'all need to go talk to each other about your stuff, because there's so much of it! Talk about why y'all are the way you are."

In fairness, Obama also addressed the ways she feels women contribute to sexism and male entitlement. "We raise our girls to be strong, and sometimes we take care not to hurt men. And I think we pay for that a little bit," she said. "Are we protecting our men too much, so that they feel a little entitled, a little self-righteous?"






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Michelle Obama Lectures Men: 'Y'all need to go talk to each other' (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2017 OP
Ms. Obama: women routinely take their husbands' names Skittles Nov 2017 #1
Good question! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #2
Don't even get me started.... Coventina Nov 2017 #3
Was reading an old archived article on my hometown paper and there was the list of attendees at a monmouth4 Nov 2017 #4
Try getting a license after being married! angstlessk Nov 2017 #8
Yep. I refused to change mine. Have never regretted it for a second. Coventina Nov 2017 #10
Glad you had a choice...many earlier did not. angstlessk Nov 2017 #11
I know. Which is why I'm surprised so many women still choose to do it. Coventina Nov 2017 #12
I'll tell you why I did it. kag Nov 2017 #16
You could have kept your name and still given the children their father's name csziggy Nov 2017 #19
Whose name? TheKingofSoup Nov 2017 #14
So how far back do you suggest women go for the origin of their name? angstlessk Nov 2017 #15
Going backward rarely helps, does it? TheKingofSoup Nov 2017 #18
The artist Judy Chicago changed her name to reflect her birthplace. Coventina Nov 2017 #20
Wow..Guess it's all their fault, then, huh? whathehell Nov 2017 #5
There was a time when we had NO choice but to take our husband's name angstlessk Nov 2017 #9
Yes, that's true, n/t whathehell Nov 2017 #17
Mr. Skittles: Children are "routinely" given their husband's last names whathehell Nov 2017 #6
I'm a guy & I think... SkyDaddy7 Nov 2017 #21
women still have their dads "give them away" to their husbands Skittles Nov 2017 #22
Sure Yupster Nov 2017 #23
Amen. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #7
Men need to talk to one another as Miigwech Nov 2017 #13

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
1. Ms. Obama: women routinely take their husbands' names
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:31 PM
Nov 2017

I wonder if she thinks THAT contributes to that entitled superiority complex?

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
3. Don't even get me started....
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:37 PM
Nov 2017

Even here on DU most think that taking the husband's name is a good thing.
At least, I gather that based on the threads I've seen on the subject.

monmouth4

(9,708 posts)
4. Was reading an old archived article on my hometown paper and there was the list of attendees at a
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:44 PM
Nov 2017

party. It was all Mrs. Clifford, Mrs. Joseph...Awful..

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
8. Try getting a license after being married!
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:36 PM
Nov 2017

Birth certificate not the same as your social security so NOW you need a marriage license! FOR A FEE.

I call this discrimination against women!

kag

(4,079 posts)
16. I'll tell you why I did it.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:34 PM
Nov 2017

When I married, my husband had two brothers who clearly were never going to have children (for health and other reasons). I had three brothers of my own who, I knew, wanted families--and have since gone on to have them. I knew that my own family name would live on without any help from me, but my husband's name, unless I raised my children with it, would disappear.

Also, I was never that attached to my family name. My father was no hero, and my husband IS the love of my life. I would so much rather share a name with my husband than with my father.

My husband would have been fine with me keeping my name, but I chose to change it for what I thought were good reasons. Never regretted it.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
19. You could have kept your name and still given the children their father's name
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 07:34 PM
Nov 2017

That is what my little sister did - she never changed her name, through two marriages. Her four children by her first husband all have their father's name. No sweat, no hassle.

 

TheKingofSoup

(11 posts)
14. Whose name?
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:04 PM
Nov 2017

Not to disempower anybody, but it strikes me that women who refuse their husband's name are usually insisting on keeping their father's. So applause for the independent spirit, but patronymic chauvinism remains intact.

 

TheKingofSoup

(11 posts)
18. Going backward rarely helps, does it?
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 07:10 PM
Nov 2017

Perhaps everybody should get to choose their own name at some point, and just keep it.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
20. The artist Judy Chicago changed her name to reflect her birthplace.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:40 PM
Nov 2017

To avoid the Patriarchy.

Not such a bad idea.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
5. Wow..Guess it's all their fault, then, huh?
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:00 PM
Nov 2017

We are clearly complicit in our own abuse since many take their husband's names... Seriously, it was probably our idea to "routinely" give our kids his last name too!..You can blame the whole fucking Patriarchy on women, for sure!

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
9. There was a time when we had NO choice but to take our husband's name
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:39 PM
Nov 2017

The church would do all the paperwork...and viola...I am Mrs.so and so

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
6. Mr. Skittles: Children are "routinely" given their husband's last names
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:02 PM
Nov 2017

I guess that was our idea too.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
21. I'm a guy & I think...
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 10:11 PM
Nov 2017

That is a good question. I would think Michelle Obama would say it certainly plays a role. The tradition of the woman taking the man's name come's from when women belonged to their fathers until he gives her away to another man, her husband, and now she is his so she takes his name.

My wife took my name 25yrs ago but it was done without us even discussing it. If we had it to do over again maybe I would take her name? Not sure exactly what we would do...To be honest I would probably just do what my wife would want because I honestly would not care.

...I do have a question though...When two people marry regardless of who the two are what options do they have? Please tell me it is not law that married couples share a last name?

...They could decide to both use one of their names like so many women have done taking their husband's name.

...Or they could decide not to change their names at all?

I was just curious...Could they come up with a completely new last name?

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
22. women still have their dads "give them away" to their husbands
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 10:28 PM
Nov 2017

YUCK

I don't think women realize how much they participate in the charade.

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