Manafort has 3 passports, traveled to China with phone registered under fake name

[Sunlei]

Source: CNN


Manafort currently has three US passports, each under a different number. He has submitted 10 passport applications in roughly as many years, prosecutors said. This year, Manafort traveled to Mexico, China and Ecuador with a phone and email account registered under a fake name. (The name was not disclosed in the filings.)

Gates "frequently changed banks and opened and closed bank accounts," prosecutors said. In all, Gates opened 55 accounts with 13 financial institutions, the prosecutors' court filing said. Some of his bank accounts were in England and Cyprus, where he held more than $10 million from 2010 to 2013.

In some months, like while he served as Trump's national campaign chairman in August 2016, Manafort's assessment of his total worth fluctuated. In August 2016 he said his assets were worth $28 million, then wrote he had $63 million in assets on a different application.

Currently, Manafort and Gates' house arrest conditions mean they can only leave their homes to meet with lawyers or appear in court, or for medical and religious reasons, and they must check in with authorities daily.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/politics/manafort-3-passports/index.html

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Three passports! how does that happen?

[MLAA]

1. I know it is (or it least was 5 years ago) possible to legally have two...

For business people working across the Middle East....one for when they travel to Israel and one for travel to countries unfriendly to Israel. I have never known anyone to legitimately have three.

[MLAA]

2. Clarification...2 copies but both under the same name 😬

[BumRushDaShow]

6. They normally offer extra pages to handle that contingency

precluding any need to issue 2 different passports.

I do know that feds who travel internationally for work will use a special "red" State Dept. passport (and turn in their personal one while in travel status).

[MLAA]

20. The case I was referring to..

Provided two separate copies so the when you went to non- Israel Middle East countries your passport showed no Israel stamps and vice versa. If it was only a matter of running out of pages, you can have extra pages (I've done that.). Also, if I remember right there are a few countries like India that required you to surrender your passport to their consulate to get a visa. So very frequent travelers could use the second copy of their passport when one was tied up in a visa process. I retired a couple of years ago and memories all those hectic business travels has faded 😉

[BumRushDaShow]

22. But here is what I'm saying

(not just my experience but from experience of traveler family, friends, and co-workers) - those going to Israel had a stamp done on the "extra" pages, not on pages in the main passport booklet and that took care of the situation (they would just pull that out). It was ridiculous but that is the way it was.

When I went to Egypt, there were people as part of my tour group who either went to Israel first and then met up with us in Cairo or who were going on to Israel afterwards when our Egypt leg of the trip was done. The ones who met us in Cairo had the same one passport but removed the "extra" pages section with the Israel stamp (despite the fact that Egypt and Israel had an "agreement" ). Also in Egypt, we had to surrender our passports as well.

I just retired this year and yay! But I am still trying to relax and readjust my schedule. It has been a nightmare year coming off of a couple hectic previous years.

[SunSeeker]

3. If he lied on a passport application to get a passport, that's a crime in and of itself.

I don't know how else he could have 3 passports without lying on a passport application...

[riversedge]

5. Well, he used a fake name. That has to be crime.

[TexasProgresive]

8. I don't think he used fake name for the passports- it was phone and email.

This year, Manafort traveled to Mexico, China and Ecuador with a phone and email account registered under a fake name. (The name was not disclosed in the filings.)

[riversedge]

16. cnn says the phone and email account were under a fake name. ..

But the fake name not disclosed. Just saying.


Manafort has 3 passports, traveled to China with phone registered under fake name [View all]
Source: CNN


Manafort currently has three US passports, each under a different number. He has submitted 10 passport applications in roughly as many years, prosecutors said. This year, Manafort traveled to Mexico, China and Ecuador with a phone and email account registered under a fake name. (The name was not disclosed in the filings.)

[hack89]

10. If you travel a lot in the Middle East you can get a second passport

You can get two passports if you travel to both Israel and Arab countries. No Arab country will let you in if you have evidence of travel to Israel in your passport

[dembotoz]

11. mom worked for an international corporation...this happened all the time for reason u describe

[SunSeeker]

19. I know that. But he had THREE passports. nt

[hack89]

21. According to the State Department it is rare but possible.

a. There are rare situations in which travelers are granted more than one "second" passport.

http://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/second-passport.html

[SunSeeker]

28. What legit reason could he have had for a second "second" passport? nt

[hack89]

29. I have no idea.

I don't do a lot of international travel - one passport is all I need. But based on the State Department website, there do appear to be legitimate reasons to have three passports. I suspect that if you were smart about it and knew what the criteria was, you could game the system to get that third passport.

[truthisfreedom]

4. Sounds like a fun guy!

Who doesn’t need three passports?

[Achilleaze]

7. republicans are a freaking criminal enterprise

pissing all over American values and democracy.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Sounds like a private spy operation for sale to the highest bidders

doing the oligarch's dirty work

Reilly, Ace of Spies?

[FakeNoose]

14. This is white collar crime, not espionage

Manafort is bringing illegal money into the US and investing it in properties and stocks for the benefit of the Russian mobsters. Also he's circumventing our system of reporting money transfers (mainly to avoid paying taxes.)

It's not spying, that makes it sound like a romantic adventure. He's not James Bond, he's more like Al Capone's bookie with a college degree.

[bucolic_frolic]

15. Sidney Reilly acted on behest of the oil companies of his day

and with at times knowledge of the Foreign Office

This is not just white collar crime, since it is intricately tied into a presidential campaign chairman

[FakeNoose]

23. Manafort has been doing this for several years

He was only Trump's campaign chairman for 3-4 months. My guess is that Putin wanted Manafort to work in Trump's campaign, so that's why he got the job. But what do I know? I just read the funny papers like everybody else.

[Nitram]

18. It is more likely BOTH white collar crime AND espionage.

Go together quite well. His lucrative work for Ukraine is a lot closer to espionage than a white collar crime.

[HAB911]

12. Internet Access?

They're comfy at home

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Obviously he didn't want Russians knowing he was playing the Chinese against them & vice versa. . nt

[Nitram]

17. Wouldn't he have to use a fake Social Security number?

Otherwise the computer system would flag the fact that he had applied for multiple passports under different names,.

[marybourg]

24. "I hire only the best people. The best"

[Coventina]

25. I know you can legally have two passports, I don't know about three.

My husband had two for a while.

He had a "main" one, and one that was only used for travel to Saudi Arabia. KSA is picky about what they see in your passport. For example, my husband had been to Israel. He could never enter KSA with that, so the state department issued one just to go to KSA. This is actually pretty common, as I understand it.

[jberryhill]

27. Yeah, it's not unusual

In addition to that:

To get a visa for some countries, you have to turn over your passport to their embassy to have the visa application reviewed and the visa pasted in.

To go to China, I think they had mine for while before it was returned prior to my trip. During that time, if I had to travel to some other country, I would have needed another passport.

The State Department will issue multiple passports for a variety of reasons along these lines.

[MrsCoffee]

26. He knows a guy....

[lagomorph777]

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The Professor?

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