CNN poll: Most Americans oppose Trump's tax reform plan
Source: CNN
By Ryan Struyk, CNN
Updated 6:25 AM ET, Wed October 18, 2017
Washington (CNN)A slim majority of Americans (52%) oppose President Donald Trump's recent tax reform proposals, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, while only one-third (34%) say they support the Trump plan.
Support is split largely along party lines: eight-in-10 Democrats (81%) say they oppose the plans, but seven-in-10 Republicans (70%) say they support them. Independents break against the proposals: 50% opposed to 35% in favor. About 14% say they don't have an opinion.
Indeed, half of Americans disapprove of the way Trump is handling taxes, the highest level in CNN polling so far, while only 36% say they approve of his job performance on taxes. This is similar to a 34% approve to 47% disapprove split on the issue in September.
After the high-profile failure of legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare, Republicans from Capitol Hill to the White House are eager to chalk up a legislative victory in the coming months.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/poll-trump-tax-reform/index.html
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)results.
unless that happens, polls mean nothing
karynnj
(59,504 posts)He already has 52% of those polls against the plan as it is now known vs only 34% for it. That leaves 14% who do not have, or are unwilling to say, if they are for or against it.
CNN writes its first sentence in a way that MINIMIZES the opposition while being an accurate statement. If anyone read this quickly or casually, what sticks is that a SLIM MAJORITY are against it. However, you could also say that:
- The number of people who oppose the bill is higher than the numbers who favor it by a large statistically significant margin.
- Likewise, you could say that opposing beats backing by 18%
- If you wanted to get clever, you could rescale the numbers to reflect only those who have decided - and you could say that 60.5% are against and 39.5% are backing it. (This is disingenuous because there might be more Republicans among the undecided -- which the breakdowns by party suggest.)
However, two points are relevant:
1) Even if over half of the population is against it, the real test is where the Congress is. Remember that they nearly passed terrible health care bills that only 16 or 20 percent of the country supported.
2) It will be a daunting task to get this reform favored by more than half the country. They need to win all the undecided and win over some of those currently against it.
ffr
(22,671 posts)It could of been said, like you did, that the tax plan was not favored by 3 to 2. That would be fair, but I'm sure CNN is playing both sides. And since the RW are diaper wearing babies that get their feelings hurt so so easily, I'm betting they chose to say 52% instead.
ffr
(22,671 posts)to us.
This is only going to get more seriously worse.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)The Hillsdale Collegian ^ | October5, 2017 | Nicole Ault
Posted on 10/17/2017, 2:40:51 PM by TBP
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3595812/posts
And, it will raise net taxes on those who itemize.
The author thinks the indirect benefits will outweigh this downer. But those of us who will pay more think it sucks.
And will oppose it with every breath.
2 posted on 10/17/2017, 2:45:24 PM by Mariner
They even disbelieve trickle-down voodoo economics:
32 posted on 10/17/2017, 7:38:18 PM by SkyPilot
The elimination of the state and local deduction has Paul Ryans dirty fingerprints all over it. Its his baby. And he wont let go of it - like a junkyard dog.
If theyre going to cut rates, they have to soak someone. And the group theyre choosing to soak are middle class, hard-working Americans.
This wasnt what President Trump campaign on or promised. If this passes, he will lose the support of millions of Americans who voted for him. This is a stupid, bad deal.
10 posted on 10/17/2017, 3:25:07 PM by SkyPilot
Middle class taxpayer will end up subsidizing a tax cut for the lower-middle classes (<$75k/yr), the poor (increased EITC) and the rich (lower max rate from 39 to 35%).
Plus a reduction in the corporate rate (this is a VERY GOOD thing from 35% to 20%).
All on the backs of a class of people who pay the vast majority of all taxes today. Those between $80k and $160k/yr.
If it proceeds, I will actively oppose Trump in 2020 just as I am actively opposing every Republican in Congress this cycle.
14 posted on 10/17/2017, 3:30:26 PM by Mariner
Yes, our only hope is that the final law is different from what is being bandied about. Well see how much political power the big, liberal, high-tax states have in this tax reform. The changes seem designed to screw them which, unfortunately, screws the conservatives still left in those states.
Id love to see simplified taxes but maybe after Im gone! Call me selfish, but I didnt budget another $4,000 to $5,000 per year in retirement for this.
22 posted on 10/17/2017, 4:08:46 PM by ProtectOurFreedom
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)It was a GOP joke (at our expense) during the Reagan years. Even then people realized it was never going to benefit the Middle Class. However it did create a new class of super-wealthy one-percenters.
Thanks Reagan!
Now here we are 35 years later and they're still trying to push this nonsense. It's simple: if the Republicans want it you can be sure it's a bad bill. Bad for all of us. It only benefits a small group of super-wealthy people. We're not fooled.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)or are very rich and don't think they should pay taxes
Our economy was the best when we had a 91% top tax rate and corporations paid the bulk of the taxes.
It is time to give the little guy a break.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)trump when he blurted out on stage he pays as little tax as possible.
Ds have to learn to explain exactly & simply what Republicans tax agenda means for Americans who make between poverty rate (21k family of 4?) and about $250,000 a year in total FAMILY income.
How many Corporations pay INCOME TAX to OUR Federal government and if they pay anything, how much INCOME TAX do they pay a year?
I'm only familiar with one corporations income tax PAID because of a court case the Corp had to provide document to court.
millions in town court costs (town had to go to court over 40 times fighting the corp.) and damages to a small towns sewer systems, residents quality of living.
IRS report said- Corp paid $5.00 FIVE DOLLARS in income tax to Federal government after all their fabulous business deductions.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Dems really need to stop using such polite language. Relabel it accurately as the "Trump's Middle Class Tax Hike."
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)And the media needs to call it what it is vs the bullshit frame republicans slap on it.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hashtag it please, if you are so connected.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)This is what happens when a country is full of propaganda 'news' and people vote from propaganda or don't vote at all.
What is the difference between a republic and a democracy?
The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government.
Is US a democracy or a republic?
A common definition of democracy is, Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives we are that, too. The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote.