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Judi Lynn

(160,540 posts)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 05:47 PM Aug 2012

U.S. drought could pinch world's poor, says think tank IFPRI

Source: Reuters

U.S. drought could pinch world's poor, says think tank IFPRI
Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:14 GMT
Source: reuters // Reuters

WASHINGTON, Aug 6 (Reuters) - Drought in the U.S. farm belt may result in higher prices for poor people around the world, according to the head of an agricultural think tank who on Monday also recommended a halt to ethanol production from corn.

Shenggen Fan, director general of the International Food Policy Research Institute, said the global spike in food prices in 2008 showed how poor crops and tight supplies have wide impact. I FP RI is the analytical arm of a coalition of agricultural research facilities.

~snip~

More than 60 percent of the continental United States, including prime grain territory, is under moderate to exceptional drought. The Agriculture Department was scheduled to make its first estimate of the fall harvest on Friday. Some private analysts say the corn crop could be the smallest in a decade.

"Food crop demand for biofuels, particularly in the United States and European Union must be cut substantially, as should mandates for ethanol content in fuel, to help relieve the pressures on both domestic and global food markets," Fan said in a release.


Read more: http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/us-drought-could-pinch-worlds-poor-says-think-tank-ifpri

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U.S. drought could pinch world's poor, says think tank IFPRI (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2012 OP
I hope that this crisis will see everyone learning to extend some help to each other... Now I hope midnight Aug 2012 #1
it's already happening: phantom power Aug 2012 #2
We should end the drought NOW! slackmaster Aug 2012 #3
Yeah! Legislate it out of existence! GliderGuider Aug 2012 #6
Like that'll ever happen. Big-water basically owns Washington. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #17
+1 nt GliderGuider Aug 2012 #19
How much will be from the drought itself, and how much from speculators KamaAina Aug 2012 #4
Most of the corn puts were probably bought months ago by the farmers/ranchers themselves. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #5
It's not nice to screw with Mother Nature, Monsanto. savannah43 Aug 2012 #7
Monsanto didn't cause the drought. NickB79 Aug 2012 #15
Droughts happened prior to Monsanto too you know . . . 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #18
I would suggest not selling our surplus to CHINA lovuian Aug 2012 #8
Any other country we should not sell food to or just China? We export food to many countries. n/t pampango Aug 2012 #10
as part of National Security in a drought we shouldn't lovuian Aug 2012 #21
The real problem is that 40% of the corn crop goes to make ethanol for cars. Psephos Aug 2012 #9
Ethanol is a big part of the problem, greed is the biggest part. lonestarnot Aug 2012 #12
Growing fuel is a stupid idea jade3000 Aug 2012 #20
Duh! n/t kickysnana Aug 2012 #11
Food Shortages have lead to revolutions in the past. happyslug Aug 2012 #13
Damn PopeOxycontinI Aug 2012 #14
Droughts Are Going to Become More Common Occurences because of Climate Change Yavin4 Aug 2012 #16
Nawh... They'll just blame it on uhbama like they always do... - eom Amonester Aug 2012 #22

midnight

(26,624 posts)
1. I hope that this crisis will see everyone learning to extend some help to each other... Now I hope
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 05:52 PM
Aug 2012

that our small farmers will get our support too... O boy but I have been reading about this food crisis and how it's being rigged even more by the bankers via their speculation games... We need to hope the bankers are stopped from speculating and that the brakes to making a profit over misery ends....

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
5. Most of the corn puts were probably bought months ago by the farmers/ranchers themselves.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:49 PM
Aug 2012

put = option to sell one corn contract at specified price. It's the way they insure their crop, it's not speculation at all. Speculation is rather small against the insurance contracts.

savannah43

(575 posts)
7. It's not nice to screw with Mother Nature, Monsanto.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:23 PM
Aug 2012

Keep it up and learn the really hard way. Look what happened to the dinosaurs.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
15. Monsanto didn't cause the drought.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 07:12 AM
Aug 2012

However, through the use of fossil fuels, we all had a hand in it to a degree by pushing the global climate out of whack.

Global warming is shaping up to be a real bitch. Humanity has reached the point where our population is about to be cut down like every other species that overconsumes it's habitat.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
18. Droughts happened prior to Monsanto too you know . . .
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:05 PM
Aug 2012

And a lack of water will kill non-GM crops just as surely as it will kill GM crops.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
8. I would suggest not selling our surplus to CHINA
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:29 PM
Aug 2012

they knew this drought was bad and yet they sold it to China

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. Any other country we should not sell food to or just China? We export food to many countries. n/t
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:37 PM
Aug 2012

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
21. as part of National Security in a drought we shouldn't
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:41 PM
Aug 2012

export food to other nations

our citizens come first

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
9. The real problem is that 40% of the corn crop goes to make ethanol for cars.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:29 PM
Aug 2012

There are few more idiotic uses of federal money than to push food into gas tanks, and out of the mouths of hungry people, by causing corn prices to climb out of their reach.

Welfare for rich farming corporations. Congress bought and paid for. Your taxes at work.

jade3000

(238 posts)
20. Growing fuel is a stupid idea
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:54 PM
Aug 2012

I agree with you 100% ... growing fuel of prime cropland is one of the dumbest ideas out there. The subsidies are an embarrassment and should be ended immediately.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
13. Food Shortages have lead to revolutions in the past.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:04 AM
Aug 2012

1787 was the year of the Great Famine in France, 1789 was the start of the French Revolution.

Europe had four years of bad harvests between 1844 and 1848, then the revolt that end Monarchy once and for all in France (Unless you count Emperor Napoleon III as a Monarch, as opposed to an "Emperor&quot . Germany saw the overthrow of Mitterrand and the near overthrow of the Prussian king.

In 1917, due to a shortage of food, Russian had two revolution, the second due more to the failure of the first to deliver "Peace and Food". In 1918, Germany demanded from the Communist rulers of Russia a massive shipment of food, which Lenin supplied, but it was not enough to stop the food shortage in Germany (And while Germany promised Austria some of the food, Austria received none. Barges on the Danube with Food loaded for Austria was taken over in Hungary do feed its people, this inability to ship food lead to the fall of the Austria-Hungary Emperor even before Austria and Hungary agreed to surrender to the Allies. Germany was in slightly better shape then Austria and Hungary, but not by much, the German Kaiser was overthrown and replaced by a Social Democratic President who then surrendered to the Allies so he could provide what forces he could to put down the Communist Revolt in Germany. The Situation in Europe was so bad Wilson had Herbert Hoover set up food relief shipments to ease the food shortage in Europe, more to stop Communist revolts that was spring up all over Europe due to the food crisis, then any other factor (Hoover would do it again after WWII).

More on the German Revolution 1918-1919, but it plays down the food crisis, but the reason the Navy mutiny was do to the lack of food and the poor quality of the food being supplied to the enlisted ranks, then any other factor. The Food Shortage is downplay in all of these reports, but it was the single biggest factor in why people participated in the revolt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919
http://www.marxists.org/subject/germany-1918-23/schneider/wilhelmshaven-revolt.htm
http://www.marxists.org/subject/germany-1918-23/index.htm

Germany in 1941-1945 did NOT suffer from any severe food shortage, the main reason no revolt against the Nazi occurred. Food Shortages only came to be as Germany lost Poland and France in the fall of 1944, thus no food shortage till the Spring of 1945, and by then the Russian, British and American forces were all over Germany (but the US ended up starving to death over 2000 German POWs in the 1945-1946 winter due to the severe food shortage in the post war era).

Reports on US Starving of German POWs (more due to a general lack of food, 1945-1948 then any other reason):
http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html

I do not trust the following cite, but it is an interesting read on the subject:
http://isearch.avg.com/search?cid={f87a4017-f42f-40ff-bf66-c82eea265353}&mid=5fb8f0aa0cb347d6a8f6d16dcaf1feea-4659e600d98ee30240bd1eae359450e2961ddfd1&lang=us&ds=avg&pr=fr&d=2011-12-04%2018:33:03&v=11.1.0.12&sap=dsp&q=germna+1918+revoltuon&pagenum=3&snd=pg

A response to the above cite, that shows how far from facts the report is:
http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html

People tend to forget that 1945-1948 was a difficult time for Europe, Eastern Europe, while under Soviet Occupation was undergoing revolution, sometimes under the Control of the Soviet Union, sometimes independent of it. The Communist parties of Greece, Italy and France were active, In Greece and Italy in revolt against the Nazis and then in Greece in Revolt against the Government supported by the US (and it appears popular support was for the Communists NOT the Government the US Supported, but Greece is a country you can only control if you have a fleet, a fact Stalin told the Communists of Greece, Bulgarian and Yugoslavia at the time as the reason they should STOP supporting the Civil War in Greece).

Charles De Gaulle only survived two years as President of France, 1944-1946, then he resigned to come back in the late 1950s. He resign for France was becoming ungovernable. The Fourth Republic started under De Gaulle in 1945, and ended when De Gaulle established the Fifth Republic in 1957.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle

Marx had a tendency to look for reasons for a revolution other then a food crisis, but most communists acknowledge food crisis is generally the immediate cause for a revolution. As long a people are being feed, they do not revolt, but once they see themselves and their children starving to death, then being killed in a revolt becomes a minor concern. A good way to look at this is the Irish famine (1845-1852). Irish revolts were common prior to the Famine, but had no real support among the peasants of Ireland, until the English refusal to do what was needed during the Irish famine. When the Irish famine first hit, the Prime Minister of England actually arranged for shipments of American Corn (Maize) to Ireland to ease the famine, but he lost his position the next year and the government elected preferred to appease the large land owners of Ireland who wanted to ship cattle for shipment to England as maximum prices, even as the Irish doing the work of taking care of the cattle were seeing their families starve to death.

Thus Ireland was the worse hit of the European nations hit by famine 1845-1848, lead to a revolt in 1848 (as the rest of Europe also went into revolt, with more success then in Ireland). Given that the towns and Cities were controlled by Protestants (Mostly Church of Ireland, a variation of the Church of England, Ulster on the other hand was Presbyterian and were treated not much better then the Catholics, but being more tied in with shipping had options for employment and thus food NOT available to the Catholics). The Irish Revolt of 1848 was put down, mostly because it had no center (i.e. something to rally around other then the lack of food). Famine does not lead to revolts, people are to busy trying to feed themselves in a famine. On the other hand a food shortage with a huge increase in Food Prices almost always brings on a revolution. The Irish famine was to severe for to long to produce a revolution (but set up generations of Irish who wanted to revolt against Britain). By the time the famine was over, the 1850s, so many of the young people of Ireland had immigrated elsewhere or died, thus no pool of people who were still hurting and as such willing to revolt(As the French had done in 1789, two years AFTER the Great famine of 1787, and the rest of Europe had done in 1848, as the food shortage in Europe bottomed out and the situation for Europeans outside of Ireland improved).

More on the Irish Famine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

Just comments that food shortages more then Famines lead to revolutions. Right now you are seeing a world wide food shortage and with that shortage increasing unrest. As prices go down a little bit, then a revolt will occur, as appears to be happening in Syria and what appeared to have happened in Tunisia and Egypt (Libya seems to have other causes. including that both Tunisia and Egypt had gone into revolt)

PopeOxycontinI

(176 posts)
14. Damn
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 02:41 AM
Aug 2012

I wonder when the breaking point will be? I am trying to go veggie to free up some grain.
We can have 7 billion people on this earth, or we can eat meat, trying to sustain both is
much of the problem.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
16. Droughts Are Going to Become More Common Occurences because of Climate Change
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:33 PM
Aug 2012

When the dumbasses have to pay $100 for a burger, maybe, just maybe, they'd get it through their heads about climate change.

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