South China Sea: Beijing attacks US 'trouble-making'

[alp227]

Source: BBC

Chinese state media have hit out at US "trouble-making" on the South China Sea, two days after Beijing summoned a US diplomat on the issue.

One commentary told the US to "shut up" on the subject, while another said it had "deservedly evoked curses".

The response came after the US State Department said it was "closely" monitoring increased tensions in the South China Sea.

It also expressed concern over China's move to militarise a disputed island.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19144740

[Suji to Seoul]

1. For a country that relies on as much foreign investment as it does, this country sure does have

major amounts of hubris.

In related news, a majority of people here in China don't give a shit what the State Media said, because they realize how corrupt and indifferent to common people the Party is.

[Ikonoklast]

4. You have got to be kidding me.

If this country decides to cut importing junk from China even by 10%, the Chinese economy will go into a tailspin.

When your economy is almost devoid of an interior market and must export or die, you must be careful not to piss off your biggest customer.

And the idea that China can crash our economy because they own the bulk of our debt is erroneous, they only own the largest fraction that is held offshore. The vast bulk of our debt is held domestically.

[primavera]

5. I'm not so sure

There's hardly a consumer good left in the US that isn't either made in China or at least depend upon Chinese made parts. The abundance of cheap plastic consumer crap produced by virtual slave labor is what allows the 1% to keep all of the nation's wealth while the 99% scrape by on table scraps. Take away our consumerist pacifiers and who knows what might happen?

[Ikonoklast]

6. How did we ever manage before, I wonder?

Easily.

[primavera]

8. We had unions and a middle class then

The damage that's been done to this country over the decades cannot be undone overnight.

[Ikonoklast]

11. But, it CAN be undone.

And if we do not accomplish undoing it, we, as a country, will be finished.

[primavera]

17. Agreed

I hope you're right.

[Suji to Seoul]

13. Pal. I live in China. I'm talking about China, not us.

The hubris of THIS country (the one I am in currently) amazes me, considering they rely heavily on foreign investment, specifically American investment.

To castigate us over their very tenuous claims to islands that are closer to PI than the PRC is the mark of biting the hand that feeds you.

[Ikonoklast]

15. Gotcha. When I read that, I took it to mean here in the U.S.

I agree with you, totally.

Until China develops a domestic market for their products, their economy is held captive by forces they cannot control.

[Suji to Seoul]

16. The way these people suck up iPhones, Coca Cola and KFC, that isn't going to happen in my lifetime

[Ikonoklast]

20. It's the secret plan to get every Chinese worker fat, lazy, and looking at pron while standing

in line for more deep-fried death.

[Suji to Seoul]

22. well, Chinese porn is like soft-core nothing and most porn sites are blocked by the Great Firewall

Intimacy is taboo. On most TV shows, no one ever kisses and spouses still sleep in separate beds.

When two people are about to kiss, as soon as their lips almost touch, they move to another scene.

So the fat (getting there) and lazy (already there. There is no lazy like chinese lazy) are already there. The porn may have to wait.

[Nambe]

2. My granddaughter works at the Austrade Shanghai Office.

She is Australian born and speaks fluent Mandarin. She has a much more respectful view of the Chinese government, as do I. When was the last time the Chinese government bombed a civilian population? What percentage of their people are in prison? How many times have they been invaded? Is their government giving every effort to assist their scientific community a voice in environmental issues?
I have visited several times and watched as the Australians do business with trading partners. The Chinese are sympathetic and graceful to do business with. A hand shake is respected even when the business climate shifts.
Japanese and American businesses will break an agreement and pay the penalties when things change. The Chinese will negotiate fairly and with good intentions. Excellent for long range planning.
They are far from perfect but we have a good mirror to look in here at the DU!
When the Poop hits the fan, I am sure the Chinese will be a very valuable resource.

[Suji to Seoul]

14. I work in Nanjing and speak fluent Mandarin too.

I have little respect for any government. . .theirs or mine.

When was the last time the Chinese government bombed a civilian population? Mao killed over 50 million people.
What percentage of their people are in prison? State secret because to them it's a national security issue.
How many times have they been invaded? Since 1840. . .11 times.
Is their government giving every effort to assist their scientific community a voice in environmental issues? Yes, while the harmonize those whose assistance is not really part of the national bullshit propaganda story.

Please don't give me crap about it. I'm married to a Party member and tell her this shit all the time. She agrees, but what else can she do being only 23 years old.

[Odin2005]

3. It's the Chinese doing the troublemaking.

[Nambe]

7. I haven't kept up enough to make a reasonable argument.

What if the Chinese were patrolling the Panama canal area? Or from their point of view, the Bering Straits?
As I tried to imply, perhaps we should spend our military Billion$ at home and let Australia or Japan decide who owns the China sea. They are getting along like to intelligent adults. No bullying at all. No guns at the ready should Cheney or Jeb or Carl gun up again.
I mean no disrespect, I feel the military industrial oil complex are always trying to get us pumped up to attack somebody like President Eisenhower said the would. IMO, the Chinese won't play war games like Putin or The House of Saud. They would rather make what they see to be, an honest living without hegemony or buying third world dictators and crazy racist politicians in Europe.

Obviously, I tend to get off track these days for a sensible debate to ensue.
My love and love's peace,
Nambe

[Ikonoklast]

12. Have you ever seen a map of what the Chinese Government calls "Greater China"?

This is what they see themselves as...



These are their actual legitimate boundaries...




China has never been against using the force of arms to annex territory.

When my nephew spent two years teaching in China, he said they had maps that included all of S.E. Asia; Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, and Laos as part of China proper. When he asked about it, he was told "Only a matter of time."

[14thColony]

18. Wrong Chinese government

Your upper map is labeled Republic of China, not People's Republic of China, and ROC and PRC are referred to as separate entities in various places, strongly implying that this is the ROC government's (i.e. Taipei's) irredentist view of what THEY should control. The giveaways are the labeling of Taipei as the 'provisional capital' and the note that the islands to the north (Ryukyus? Can't tell) are claimed by both the ROC and the PRC.

This map is 'Made in Taiwan', figuratively if not literally.

[Ikonoklast]

19. Same map, except smaller.

Couldn't find the one that claims most of SE Asia, all of Nepal and Bhutan by the PROC.

[raouldukelives]

9. We are virtually symbiotic at this point.

I made my mind up about China & the US when I watched the Tienanmen Square events happen as a young boy.
Up until that point I had bought all the patriotic mumbo-jumbo I had been fed by my history books, media and President.
Then I watch people struggling to be free crushed. Just to add some frosting not only do we not aid them, we turn around and start helping to keep them in bondage. We start investing and working hand in hand with the people who deny them basic human rights. Now we are best buddies. Everyone loves to invest in China.
Sometimes it makes you wonder.

[lib2DaBone]

10. Didn't Viet Nam conflict start this way..? Just a thought..

IIRC... there was tension between China and USA in the South China Sea over Chevron's oil soundings and exploration.

We then decided that we needed to bring "Democracy" to Viet Nam. History blames the Gulf of Tonkin incident as the trigger.. an incident which never happened, but more surely it was a proxy war with China over oil.

Our military has morphed into nothing more than a private security force for the oil companies. (Probably has been this way for a long time)

Looking at a map of the proposed oil pipeline routes thru Afghanistan... (no one in government will admit why we are still there spending $40 Billion per month) It can be no coincidence why we are still in Afghanistan.

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The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.

The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

[tawadi]

21. 'deservedly evoked curses'