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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:04 AM Sep 2017

Dem senator to Republicans: 'Your moment has come' to save DACA

Source: The Hill




BY BRANDON CARTER - 09/04/17 08:30 AM EDT

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) urged Republicans to join Democrats in passing legislative protection for “Dreamers” after reports that President Trump is set to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

“Dear Republicans, your moment has come. Every Democrat will join you,” Murphy tweeted. “Show the courage and grace to save these children, and our nation.”




Politico reported Sunday night that Trump has made the decision to end DACA, which temporarily blocked the deportation of undocumented immigrants who were brought to the country as minors and sought work permits.

Nearly 800,000 people brought to the country illegally as children have benefitted from the program.



Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/349107-dem-senator-to-republicans-your-moment-has-come-to-save-daca
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Dem senator to Republicans: 'Your moment has come' to save DACA (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
A six month life line would seem to signal Trump wants Congress to act modrepub Sep 2017 #1
Interesting karynnj Sep 2017 #4
Or that he wants to cover his ass. 6000eliot Sep 2017 #9
Don't forget the TPS peole either! awesomerwb1 Sep 2017 #2
Of course Trump can veto anything Congress passes thucythucy Sep 2017 #3
As despicable as he is, shanny Sep 2017 #5
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2017 #6
Republicans to Dem senators: sandensea Sep 2017 #7
The Repubs are deeply divided on this. The virulent 20%, those collaborators Hortensis Sep 2017 #8

modrepub

(3,503 posts)
1. A six month life line would seem to signal Trump wants Congress to act
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:23 AM
Sep 2017

This has all the makings of an extreme cluster f@#!. Will the Democrats help or let the governing party twist in the air on this one?

karynnj

(59,506 posts)
4. Interesting
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:31 AM
Sep 2017

I would hope that as Murphy says, all Democrats would help -- and it would be great if they said so as soon as ANY Republican said anything - no matter how vague - of writing legislation. This is something where no political games (on our side) should be played. It does not matter who gains this "win". Peoples lives are in the balance. It was the right thing to do when Obama did it - and it will be the right thing if it is written into legislation.

The question is whether enough key Republicans will agree to legislation. Additionally, looking at the history,would it be be easier to pass something JUST on the Dream Act? That would have been more likely if the Senate and House were in our control. I suspect that many Democrats may look back to 2010 and regret that they did not put more pressure behind passing this.

I suspect that the Republicans will write the legislation including things that Democrats hate -- like funding for the wall. Look at past comprehensive immigration bills, all included big dollars for "border security" and legislation to define how each type of illegal immigrant should be treated who is here now and what the rules are going forward. The Senate and Congressional record has members of both parties giving thoughtful speeches (and some less than thoughtful) on changes needed beyond the huge important first step of defining what should be done with the then estimated to be 12 million undocumented people. What is clear is that EACH piece of comprehensive immigration is complex and controversial.

In 2010, there were two efforts to pass legislation that included just the DREAM ACT. At that point, we had 59 Senators. In September, both Don't ask, don't tell and the DREAM ACT were included in a must pass National Defense Act. However, they reached an impasse where they could only get a 56-43 vote and could not defeat the filibuster attempt. The bill passed when the DREAM Act was removed.

Then, in the lame duck session (obviously with the same Senate), the House passed the Dream Act, but in the Senate - although Senators Lugar, Murkowsky and Bennett voted for it, it failed as Baucus, Hagen, Nelson(NE), Pryor and Tester voted against it and Manchin did not vote (which in a filibuster vote is equivilent to a no.) The measure needed 60 votes and it got 55. Had we held ALL the Democrats or gotten McCain, Graham and others who previously had been for comprehensive legistaion, thiswould have become law. Sadly, 2010 was our best shot. Although Reid wanted to pass something in 2011 and Schumer led a strong effort, with a more Republican Senate it was even less likely and never even came to a vote. That was the background for Obama's action in 2012. After Obama's action, the Senate did include the dream act in a 2013 bill that passed, but the Republican House did not pass a parallel bill.

Earlier in the last GWB term, there was a multi year bipartisan effort to pass a comprehensive immigration bill , involving people from Kennedy to McCain, - which failed - that was supported by President Bush. The history of that is that Kennedy and McCain introduced a bill on May 12, 2005. It contained legalization for some and defined the process for all, border security and a guest worker program. It was debated throughout the 109th Congress (2005/2006), but was never voted on. Variations of it were introduced in 2006 and 2007 (when Democrats had 51 Senators and control of the House.) In 2006, both Houses passed bills (with the Senate overcoming a filibuster) but they were different enough that they failed to agree on a joint bill in conference. In 2007, a similar bill failed badly - never coming close to 60 votes.(Here is the last vote on June 28, 2007 - where there were only 46 yeses. Many progessive Democrats - Brown (OH), Harkin, and Stabenow (MI) voted against it. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00235

The question I have is whether a narrow bill - just on the Dream Act - is more likely to pass. In fact, Durbin and Lindsey Graham did introduce a bill in July 2017 to make the Dream Act law. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/durbin-graham-file-dream-act-hoping-to-ward-off-legal-challenge-to-daca/2017/07/20/19ade326-6cd4-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.2e1e813622f4 It was called a long shot.

The question is whether now - after 5 years of the Dream ACT being law thanks to President Obama, whether the country has moved enough to get 60 Senators in a significantly less Democratic Senate. (We have 48 Senators now vs 59 in 2010). Here, the optimism me thinks that as on gay marriage, the country might have had a huge shift on this --- the pessismitic me then questions how this could be true in a country that voted for Trump.

Looking at the four year effort, led by Kennedy, McCain and others of both parties, it is clear that even with a supportive President, who would have wanted getting comprehensive immigration passed as part of his legacy,it is incredibly difficult to write legislation that passes both Houses.



thucythucy

(8,089 posts)
3. Of course Trump can veto anything Congress passes
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:33 AM
Sep 2017

which means DACA supporters will need a two thirds vote in both chambers.

Not likely.

This is what happens, Republicans, when you put party over country, and work to install a sociopath as commander-in-chief.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
5. As despicable as he is,
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 12:06 PM
Sep 2017

I have to appreciate dRump putting the pukes in Congress on the hot seat.

Fry mutherf@ckers.

sandensea

(21,677 posts)
7. Republicans to Dem senators:
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 12:19 PM
Sep 2017

"It might have, if them there chilluns were little tow-heads and carrot-tops instead of bein' so gosh darn' brown and all!"

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. The Repubs are deeply divided on this. The virulent 20%, those collaborators
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:57 PM
Sep 2017

who don't want them and will go along but really won't be happy about persecuting them, and those opposed to cancelling DACA.

"GOP Rep Steve King: Delaying the end of DACA is 'Republican suicide.'"

In Wisconsin today Speaker of the House Paul D. Ryan ... “Having said all of that, there are people who are in limbo. These are kids who know no other country, who were brought here by their parents and don’t know another home.” “I really do believe there needs to be a legislative solution, that’s the one we are working on, and I think we want to give people peace of mind.”

That may be the most responsible, sanest thing he has said since Trump was elected.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) chimed in today as well. “I’ve urged the president not to rescind DACA, an action that would further complicate a system in serious need of a permanent, legislative solution,” he said. Hatch and Ryan join a growing list of Republicans opposed to doing away with DACA.


As in rush to put out the latest trumpster fire sweeping toward the Capitol.
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