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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:04 AM Aug 2017

Feinstein: Trump 'can be a good president'

Source: The Hill




BY JOSH DELK - 08/30/17 09:53 AM EDT

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said late Tuesday that President Trump could "be a good president" and that he "can learn and change."

The Democratic senator's comments reportedly "shocked" the crowd in San Francisco.

"The question is whether he can learn and change," Feinstein said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "If so, I believe he can be a good president." She also said that Trump will have to "forget himself enough and have the type of empathy and direction the country needs."

Feinstein added that there "there are things that can be done" if he does not move in that direction.




Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/348515-feinstein-trump-can-be-a-good-president




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Feinstein: Trump 'can be a good president' (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2017 OP
Put down the pipe, Diane. Zoonart Aug 2017 #1
Insulting, a bunch? Why on earth would anyone on DU assume she meant this Hortensis Aug 2017 #114
It was a dumb statement RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #138
Exactly. What fool needs a sarcasm balloon over Feinstein's head to understand that? Hortensis Aug 2017 #150
No, Sen. Feinstein, he could not .... maryallen Aug 2017 #161
She's on the Senate intelligence and judiciary committees and you're pretending Hortensis Aug 2017 #162
my thoughts exactly onetexan Aug 2017 #142
Whatever it is that has people not getting that she's being Ironic. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #157
Of which country? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #2
Trumpistan rusty fender Aug 2017 #94
Wrong Dianne. madaboutharry Aug 2017 #3
Did you even read the statement? ehrnst Aug 2017 #13
Actions Can Be Taken Against NK Too....nt (sarcasm) global1 Aug 2017 #72
OK - let's be honest here Plucketeer Aug 2017 #81
Headline is misleading - out of context ehrnst Aug 2017 #4
It's an impossible if dalton99a Aug 2017 #6
That's a huge IF. skypilot Aug 2017 #9
+1 n/t area51 Aug 2017 #112
Or, more accurately, "IF storms worked differently." (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #12
That ship sailed CanonRay Aug 2017 #17
He is an idiot RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #139
Didja mean 'spam'? Made me laugh! n/t sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #145
(Off topic.) Remind me to ask you something. 😊 sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #146
Time to retire JI7 Aug 2017 #5
Okaayyy ananda Aug 2017 #7
Oh Really bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #8
No, it was a snarky comment, masqurading as centrist ehrnst Aug 2017 #33
Seriously Feinstein? awesomerwb1 Aug 2017 #10
Reading something prior to commenting on it is helpful. ehrnst Aug 2017 #18
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #51
Are you going to flick boogers now? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #54
Thank you for taking the time to reply to me! awesomerwb1 Aug 2017 #58
Thanks for the permission! (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #61
You're welcome. awesomerwb1 Aug 2017 #62
I see someone learned a new term! Passive aggressive! ehrnst Aug 2017 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Aug 2017 #65
Nope. n/t woundedkarma Aug 2017 #57
I read it RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #141
WTF nt frogmarch Aug 2017 #11
Reading the post will tell you WTF she actually said, because the headline doesn't. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #20
With all due respect madame Senator CanonRay Aug 2017 #14
Another person who didn't read past the misleading headline but comments anyway. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #22
Actually, I did read it. CanonRay Aug 2017 #63
Actually, no she doesn't think he can change. That was the point. ehrnst Aug 2017 #82
+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #155
IF he can learn and change. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #15
Short of immediately reverting to the mass of diarrhea from which he was formed... Orrex Aug 2017 #16
Exactly. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #21
What is wrong with the democrats. No he can't change. Ray Bruns Aug 2017 #19
Um... that's what she's saying ehrnst Aug 2017 #24
Fuck the politically correct rhetoric Diane! Kleveland Aug 2017 #23
Actually reading the post will show you that it was snark. ehrnst Aug 2017 #26
even reading the article, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding on her part NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #25
She's being snarky. She may as well have said, "If he was to become a Democrat..." ehrnst Aug 2017 #28
even that snark is not helpful because it gets picked up by media. there are better NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #35
So you agree the headline is misleading. And the Hill is not exactly progressive media. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #43
no, I don't think the headline was misleading because that is what she said. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #44
Right, and Obama actually said, "You didn't build that." ehrnst Aug 2017 #48
Understood. Your OP is valuable for creating a pretty vigorous discussion! NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #52
Democrats in public service must choose their words CAREFULLY! eom sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #100
No, there's no snark in it at all. You can watch the video muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #123
I agree that this is a wrong approach by a sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #98
They already are. I saw this posted by some conservative type on Facebook. SweetieD Aug 2017 #109
There ya go. I rest my case. eom sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #118
Clarifying--Load of crap being directed at sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #120
She also just said the Arapaio pardon was stupid. mahina Aug 2017 #27
and monkeys will fly out of my butt! Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #29
That's the point she was making. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #53
Ray and Kleveland edhopper Aug 2017 #30
You really think that she was serious? She called him a bad president that ehrnst Aug 2017 #42
we aren't morons, edhopper Aug 2017 #73
Many here seem to think that she actually thinks he can become a "good president" ehrnst Aug 2017 #87
okay edhopper Aug 2017 #92
And if she was to call him a facist? What would that accomplish, ehrnst Aug 2017 #110
Since you keep mentioning Nancy Pelosi, I guess you've only barely skimmed the article muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #124
Yes, I understand that. ehrnst Aug 2017 #125
Time to retire! SCVDem Aug 2017 #31
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #137
That's an absurd statement. Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 #32
Exactly. It's impossible for him to do the thing she said will make him "a good president."(nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #37
Leapards can't change their spots... El Mimbreno Aug 2017 #34
California can do a lot better than this nitwit. Hulk Smash II Aug 2017 #36
You don't get snark, do you? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #39
There's a difference between Plucketeer Aug 2017 #74
She "concern trolls" him a lot. This is just another way of trolling him. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #84
Ain't buyin' it Plucketeer Aug 2017 #91
Diane should quit 'concern trolling' the fraudulent. eom sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #102
So, tell us what should she be doing instead? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #131
I posited above thread that the, shall we call them the sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #144
Are you from California? Frankly, her comment had a lot of qualifiers which aren't going to happen still_one Aug 2017 #66
He could be, but he won't be. Oneironaut Aug 2017 #38
That's exactly what she's saying. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #40
Stop with the Republican Framing, dammit. notKeith Aug 2017 #41
She's saying he's a bad president and will be until he changes who he is. Then threatens him. ehrnst Aug 2017 #47
The ONLY way Trump can change is world wide wally Aug 2017 #45
Exactly. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #50
Retire already BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #46
Not getting the irony in her statement, are you? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #49
There is no point in being cute about Trump BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #56
Sounds like you have decided that nothing she does is good. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #85
So tell me how she "plays footsie" with Neocons. ehrnst Aug 2017 #89
this is the basic failure of normal people make when dealing with a psychopath... Javaman Aug 2017 #55
No, she doesn't believe that he can change. That statement was ironic, and she followed it with ehrnst Aug 2017 #59
Just like "Obama told business leaders that they didn't build their businesses!" (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #60
Hell...Trump hardly rates as human. airmid Aug 2017 #67
Hell...Trump hardly rates as human. LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #75
Oh. look - Pelosi wants him to get more sleep, like that's going to make him "fit for office" !!!! ehrnst Aug 2017 #68
?HUH? No, Diane, he can't learn and change. MBS Aug 2017 #69
That's what she was saying in a backhanded way. ehrnst Aug 2017 #88
You're right (I hope!) MBS Aug 2017 #97
Yes, she's done this before, and she's no fool. ehrnst Aug 2017 #104
Senatorial culture is hard for most people to understand. This was damning with faint praise. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2017 #156
WHAT !! ?? usaf-vet Aug 2017 #70
Nah, She jumped the shark, time To go bye bye njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #71
No, she's concern trolling. But if you're here to bash ehrnst Aug 2017 #107
Sorry D. but Trump has had his chances! ""The question is whether he can learn and change,"NOPE riversedge Aug 2017 #76
The operative word here is "IF." Eugene Aug 2017 #77
And Feinstein 'can be a good' Senator, if she would just disregard her personal financial holdings.. Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #78
What about her "financial holdings" is suspect? ehrnst Aug 2017 #90
LOL SHRED Aug 2017 #79
Doesn't she see the Russia MFM008 Aug 2017 #80
She's concern trolling. She doesn't think he will change at all. That's why she said ehrnst Aug 2017 #86
Yes she knew everything as soon as Obama did - before the election FakeNoose Aug 2017 #103
I think that it's trolling him and his supporters. ehrnst Aug 2017 #106
If anything trump is going to move in the opposite direction. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #83
This is precisely what's wrong with the Democratic Leadership. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #93
THIS!!!! NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #99
You took what she said literally, instead of ironically... ehrnst Aug 2017 #126
Somehow it doesn't come across as irony. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #147
Some people don't get it without a sarcasm icon below it, I guess. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #154
I'll concede that. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #158
There is some opportunism there. And she did clarify her statements. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #160
No, J_William_Ryan Aug 2017 #95
Weak sauce Democrats Wordilocks Aug 2017 #96
You think she was being serious? ehrnst Aug 2017 #108
The article completely misrepresents what she said. yardwork Aug 2017 #101
good for her AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #105
What a damn dumb remark. Is DiFi completely insane? NK, Transgenders, neo-Nazis, undoing Obama, ... WinkyDink Aug 2017 #111
Sorry to hear that. Is she ill? nancy1942 Aug 2017 #113
No, just trolling him and his supporters. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #128
No need to twist myself into a pretzel in order to approve of Feinstein's statement. democrank Aug 2017 #115
What rock from what planet did she crawel out from under Doreen Aug 2017 #116
Pandering Bradical79 Aug 2017 #117
Let's call it positive reinforcement. ucrdem Aug 2017 #119
that is just stupid. even his trip did NOTHING. did eddie haskel change on beaver? pansypoo53219 Aug 2017 #121
That was her point.... (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #133
She needs to be primaried kimbutgar Aug 2017 #122
Well, you have your opportunity at the ballot box. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #130
Either she wants something and is massaging his enormous ego Warpy Aug 2017 #127
LOL still waiting on Just one Republican Senator to say anything even close Thrill Aug 2017 #129
Yeah, irony is lost on so many. Let's abolish it. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #132
Feinstein clarifies: 'Im under no illusion' Trump will change ehrnst Aug 2017 #134
Inaccurate headline: she said "under no illusion that its likely to happen" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #135
Got me, I guess. I accurately copied the headline, and ehrnst Aug 2017 #136
Then why trifle with speak such as this. no text sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #143
I like the way she phrased because it's totally going to annoy Trump... xor Aug 2017 #140
The title leaves out too much context. sandensea Aug 2017 #148
What she means to say is: TRUMP can be a good POTUS if he would just be someone else AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #149
He can't even be a good person SummerSnow Aug 2017 #151
I'm not saying a 71-year-old can't learn and change, raccoon Aug 2017 #152
No he can"t. CentralMass Aug 2017 #153
tbh clu Aug 2017 #159

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
114. Insulting, a bunch? Why on earth would anyone on DU assume she meant this
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:38 PM
Aug 2017

and not bother to read a word further? There are other forums where knee-jerk insults and hostility to our party's most visible and distinguished members, including of course Ms. Feinstein, Ms. Pelosi, Ms. Clinton, Ms. Harris, as well as others, are applauded.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
150. Exactly. What fool needs a sarcasm balloon over Feinstein's head to understand that?
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:06 AM
Aug 2017

Only her enemies, and they'd just ignore that also and insist on twisting her statement. The Republicans, the Kochistas, and as it happens the Russians, are trying to destroy her, and the rest of the democratic party leadership, as an extremely important move in defeating us. That is what this is about.

maryallen

(2,172 posts)
161. No, Sen. Feinstein, he could not ....
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 06:26 PM
Aug 2017

Not today, not tomorrow, Not Ever could Donald Trump become a good president and I cannot believe you would suggest it. Trump does not have one qualification that recommends him for the job. His intellect is sub-par; he does not read for pleasure or work; he refuses briefing papers longer than one page long;and his aides indicate that he loses his concentration even with talented orators. He is like an egotistical child incapable of empathy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
162. She's on the Senate intelligence and judiciary committees and you're pretending
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 08:04 PM
Aug 2017

there is anything at all you might be able to tell her about Trump, Washington, the planet? Maybe set aside whatever this is arising from long enough to remember she not only sees all the classified material but has to deal with that buffoons personally? Maybe permanently?

George Will happened to be speaking about Rump when he described him as someone who doesn't know what it is to know something.

madaboutharry

(40,216 posts)
3. Wrong Dianne.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:08 AM
Aug 2017

She thought the same about Bush. She sometimes forgets that she is a democratic senator from California.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
13. Did you even read the statement?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:17 AM
Aug 2017

IF he becomes an empathetic person, then he "will be" a good president. We know the chances of that.

And then she said if he didn't become a good president, then there were "actions that could be taken."

She essentially trolling the people who say, "give him a chance" with the fact that he hasn't been a good president.



 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
81. OK - let's be honest here
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:23 AM
Aug 2017

No - wait - we can't. If we're honest about this, we'll get our post removed at the very least!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
4. Headline is misleading - out of context
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:08 AM
Aug 2017

She said IF he can learn and change, he can be a good president, however, if he doesn't, "there are things that can be done."

The conditions are left out of the headline. It's like saying, "The property damage in Houston won't get any worse than it is, IF the weather suddenly reverses course immediately, and the sun comes out."

skypilot

(8,854 posts)
9. That's a huge IF.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:13 AM
Aug 2017

There a just far too many things he'd have to learn and have to change. And that's IF he's not as deranged as he seems to be. His derangement seems a lot more certain than any capacity for change on his part.

bucolic_frolic

(43,250 posts)
8. Oh Really
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:12 AM
Aug 2017

this balanced and centrist thinking because ....????

we really need to bend over and compromise our party away?

she knows the hammer is about to fall?

She's a bit like McCain, mavericky from the other side

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
33. No, it was a snarky comment, masqurading as centrist
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:29 AM
Aug 2017

She was saying that he's not a good president and wouldn't be unless he "forgets himself" and then throws a veiled threat.

It's like saying, "If he changes parties, he could be a good president."

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
10. Seriously Feinstein?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:13 AM
Aug 2017

Yeah, a racist, corrupted, misogynistic, narcissistic POS "can be a good president".

Is she working for Breitfart now?

We need another strong Democratic woman to replace her next year. (I'm a guy and I want more women in government pronto!)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. Reading something prior to commenting on it is helpful.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:20 AM
Aug 2017

Here it is again:

"The question is whether he can learn and change," Feinstein said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "If so, I believe he can be a good president." She also said that Trump will have to "forget himself enough and have the type of empathy and direction the country needs."

Feinstein added that there "there are things that can be done" if he does not move in that direction.


She's saying he's not a good president, and would only be one "IF" he can forget himself and have empathy.

And she states that there are actions that will be taken if he doesn't become a good president, which she just stated that he won't unless he becomes a different person.

Is that clearer?

Response to ehrnst (Reply #18)

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
58. Thank you for taking the time to reply to me!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:48 AM
Aug 2017

Seeing that you're sooo busy replying to anyone mildly critical of Feinstein.

Quick, there's a couple of posts you haven't replied to yet!! Off you go now. Off you go.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
62. You're welcome.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:54 AM
Aug 2017

Now don't let me keep you from replying to dozens more in your lovely passive aggressive style.

Feinstein out!

Response to ehrnst (Reply #64)

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
141. I read it
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:28 PM
Aug 2017

The man is a fucking simpleton, he could become the most empathetic person of all time and he'd still be fucking whale shit.

CanonRay

(14,111 posts)
63. Actually, I did read it.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:57 AM
Aug 2017

She's still an idiot. She thinks it might be possible for Trump to change? He's shown he's incapable. I accept your apology.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
82. Actually, no she doesn't think he can change. That was the point.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:25 AM
Aug 2017

Last edited Thu Aug 31, 2017, 09:44 AM - Edit history (2)

She said he would need to "forget himself" in order to become a good president.


Orrex

(63,219 posts)
16. Short of immediately reverting to the mass of diarrhea from which he was formed...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:18 AM
Aug 2017

There is nothing Trump can do to become a good president.

Ray Bruns

(4,110 posts)
19. What is wrong with the democrats. No he can't change.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:22 AM
Aug 2017

Where have you been for the last 8 months, under a rock? Trump will never change. He is incapable of it. Trump can no more change than a zebra change its stripes. He is a narcissistic, misogynistic, sociopathic, con man. There will be no pivot. Why can't people get it through there thick heads? Stop this wishing against all the evidence that somehow he will become "presidential".

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. Um... that's what she's saying
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:24 AM
Aug 2017

She basically says that unless he becomes another person that he won't become a good president.

You seem to be missing the snark.

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
23. Fuck the politically correct rhetoric Diane!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:24 AM
Aug 2017

Give me a break!

He is mentally abhorrent, and will never change.

Period!

He needs to go away, far, far away.

Along with his whole clan of self interested haters.

They are systematically destroying everything thing that this country was founded upon.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
26. Actually reading the post will show you that it was snark.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:25 AM
Aug 2017

It's like saying, "He could be a good president if he switched parties."

Read it again.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
25. even reading the article, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding on her part
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:25 AM
Aug 2017

he is 71. He is exhibiting exactly the behavior he always has.

He Cannot...will not...change. Mostly, Can Not. The best predictor of future behavior in humans is to look at past behavior.

This really is a fundamentally wrong approach by a leading Democrat and only harms our cause.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. She's being snarky. She may as well have said, "If he was to become a Democrat..."
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:28 AM
Aug 2017

as for him to "forget himself."

She's saying he's not a good president, and won't be if he doesn't change who he is.

Then she throws a veiled threat.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
35. even that snark is not helpful because it gets picked up by media. there are better
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:30 AM
Aug 2017

more direct ways - such as "donald trump will never be a good president because...."

Most of our Democratic leaders play hands that are simply too weak, in my view.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
44. no, I don't think the headline was misleading because that is what she said.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:39 AM
Aug 2017

And it doesn't matter what kind of media it is - words matter, and our leaders must be more careful which words they use.

It all just makes me realize that there is right and left....but also the game of politics - us and them. We are not part of their club.

And yes, I am very cynical these days. And very pissed off.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. Right, and Obama actually said, "You didn't build that."
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:42 AM
Aug 2017

And we know how that was spun to mean something it didn't.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
52. Understood. Your OP is valuable for creating a pretty vigorous discussion!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:45 AM
Aug 2017

And discussion is exactly what DU is for - I realize I am really hard on all of our party's leaders right now, because we are not nearly as good at playing "their" game - we are not as "mean". But I think with all that is at stake, it is time to play a far stronger hand.

have a great day.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
123. No, there's no snark in it at all. You can watch the video
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 04:18 PM
Aug 2017

There's an excerpt at the link, and also the whole thing, if you want any context (but I don't think the context changes anything) - the first quotes come from 55:25. The bit about Democrats making more noise is from 1:03:45.

She really means it. She hopes he can 'learn', and thinks that is both possible and good enough. She says "we have to have some patience", and that the problem is his "feeling for himself" - ignoring the racism of his supporters that got him elected, or the greed of the entire Republican party. There are far more problems to Trump than just his narcissism. Tauscher says he's missing his "heart and soul", but Feinstein says she won't say that because she wants to gets bills through, and she has to "work with people".

It's pathetic. She rolls over, and says "oooh, call yourself a compassionate conservative, Mr. Trump, and everything will be fine".

"A veiled threat?" Oh, what bollocks. What on earth have you read or heard in that that made you think of a threat?

sprinkleeninow

(20,254 posts)
98. I agree that this is a wrong approach by a
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:27 PM
Aug 2017

figurehead Democrat.

Her statement contains a subliminal message that the neanderthals could/would misinterpret/twist to read that she thinks given a chance, he could serve effectively.
Which is a huge load of crap.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
30. Ray and Kleveland
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:28 AM
Aug 2017

you got it right. Enough with the subtle and mannered remarks.
Trump is a narcissistic sociopath and needs to be called out.
Not coaxed into being a good man he is incapable of being.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. You really think that she was serious? She called him a bad president that
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:37 AM
Aug 2017

wouldn't be a good one until he essentially changed who he was, then threw a veiled threat.

It's like saying, "Well, if Hurricanes would just change the way that they form, then coastal cities will have no future threat of damage from Hurricanes."

And someone quotes: "Ernst says that "coastal cities will have no future threat of damage from Hurricanes" as the headline.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
73. we aren't morons,
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:13 AM
Aug 2017

we get that. I said she was too subtle and mannered.
Chiding him with a soft remark.
It's no longer time for that.
Outrage at his Presidency is the only worthwhile reaction now.
Saying he could be a good man if he changed is worthless.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
87. Many here seem to think that she actually thinks he can become a "good president"
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:38 AM
Aug 2017

When she backhanded that he isn't now, and that he would have to "forget himself" and "have empathy" in order to do so.

So, no, they aren't morons, but I think that there are many ready to pile on Pelosi, just like right wingers did on Obama when conservative press said that "Obama told business leaders that they didn't build their businesses!!!!"


edhopper

(33,604 posts)
92. okay
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:42 AM
Aug 2017

Last edited Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:56 PM - Edit history (1)

but I didn't.
I fully understood her remarks and found them wanting.
The time for sly backhanded talk in the face of fascism is long gone.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
110. And if she was to call him a facist? What would that accomplish,
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:00 PM
Aug 2017

especially since Dems have pointed out all the namecalling that the GOP did to Obama, as defense for calling him what he is.

The backhanded insult is something she's done before, and her constituents seem to like it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/06/09/nancy-pelosi-trump-needs-sleep-and-shes-worried-his-fitness/102673648/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
124. Since you keep mentioning Nancy Pelosi, I guess you've only barely skimmed the article
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 04:25 PM
Aug 2017

since it's about Dianne Feinstein, not Nancy Pelosi. This would explain why you're talking about 'snark' as well, when Feinstein seems completely straightforward and sincere when she says he might learn and then he'd be an OK president, and people need patience.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
125. Yes, I understand that.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:30 PM
Aug 2017

And like Pelosi, I think people think that she is serious, and like Pelosi, she is a woman "past her prime" that many think should just go away.

She's capable of snark, even though she's an old broad.

I also know that she's not Obama, if you're wondering about the post about Obama's saying that "You didn't build that" got misrepresented.

Response to SCVDem (Reply #31)

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
32. That's an absurd statement.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:29 AM
Aug 2017

He has no capacity to learn, and less to change. He's not wired that way.

It's like saying that I could win a weightlifting competition if I got new arms. In theory, that's an accurate statement. In reality, it's not a reasonable possibility.

El Mimbreno

(777 posts)
34. Leapards can't change their spots...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:29 AM
Aug 2017

Because they don't have spots, they have rosettes. Damned if I can figure out what trump has, but his lifetime of idle privilege makes him unable to change. So, "there are things that can be done" .

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
84. She "concern trolls" him a lot. This is just another way of trolling him. (nt)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:30 AM
Aug 2017

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Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
91. Ain't buyin' it
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:42 AM
Aug 2017

I'd love to see her start a new career, but stand-up comedienne wouldn't be a good choice. It was the literal interpretation of stupid statements that got us into this mess. Throwing MORE stupid - however it was meant to come across - just feeds the lingering ashes of idiocy.
Of course, you're free (here) to prop up your perforated theory. We were all so confident that Donald John Dunce could never ascend to the throne. Power of positive thinking an' all that.

sprinkleeninow

(20,254 posts)
144. I posited above thread that the, shall we call them the
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:34 AM
Aug 2017

deplorables (as they are coined), could/would interpret/twist her comments into an 180° flip of what she 'really' said.

They twist EVERYTHING! TWISTED!

What should she do? Stick to serious business. ALL those who represent 'us' in the Party of Democrats.

The juvenile deliquent in the Peoples' House shows his level with twitlering and trollering and b.s.

You got me going. I don't mind Sen. Feinstein and appreciate any beneficent work she has done/is doing.

I'm just so weary of nonsense. That's all.

Heard earlier from a dear heart in Houston that he and his have been spared so far. Right smack in the middle of horrendous residential flooding. I still have grave concern.

still_one

(92,329 posts)
66. Are you from California? Frankly, her comment had a lot of qualifiers which aren't going to happen
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:03 AM
Aug 2017

with trump. I recall an opposite an similar reaction when someone, whose name eludes me at this moment, said that supporters
are not deplorable, and NO qualifiers were added with that statement




Oneironaut

(5,519 posts)
38. He could be, but he won't be.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:31 AM
Aug 2017

He's too arrogant. He thinks he knows everything. He won't listen to anybody. He's the worst type of idiot - the type that thinks he's the smartest and everybody else is stupid.

notKeith

(138 posts)
41. Stop with the Republican Framing, dammit.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:36 AM
Aug 2017
"The question is whether he can learn and change," Feinstein said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "If so, I believe he can be a good president." She also said that Trump will have to "forget himself enough and have the type of empathy and direction the country needs."


This is bullshit. So, you're ignoring the racist legal shit he was involved with in the 70s? The Trump U scam? The Russian money? The non-stop river of lies?

Jesus H Christ, Feinstein - what is wrong with you?
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
47. She's saying he's a bad president and will be until he changes who he is. Then threatens him.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:40 AM
Aug 2017

We all know he won't change - his supporters absolutely think that.

world wide wally

(21,751 posts)
45. The ONLY way Trump can change is
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:39 AM
Aug 2017

If he is visited by three spirits on Christmas Eve...and that is pretty unlikely.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
46. Retire already
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:40 AM
Aug 2017

Boxer wasn't an idiot, but her retirement was a good thing as it cleared the way for Kamala Harris. Too many Dems hang on for too long. Get out of the way, Senator.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
56. There is no point in being cute about Trump
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:47 AM
Aug 2017

And Feinstein's reputation for playing footsie with neocons precedes her.

Sorry your defense of her here isn't going better.

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
55. this is the basic failure of normal people make when dealing with a psychopath...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:47 AM
Aug 2017

They have this unfounded belief that psychopaths can reform and change.

psychopaths can't. they can't me made or forced to feel. Period.

there is no changing for tRump.

what you see is what we got.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
59. No, she doesn't believe that he can change. That statement was ironic, and she followed it with
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:49 AM
Aug 2017

threat.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
68. Oh. look - Pelosi wants him to get more sleep, like that's going to make him "fit for office" !!!!
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:05 AM
Aug 2017

Primary her!! Wanting him to get more sleep, like she's "worried" that he's unfit for office!! We KNOW that he's unfit for office, lady! Stop talking like he is!!!

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Friday that President Trump "needs sleep" and she is "worried about his fitness" for office.

The California Democrat made the comments at her weekly news conference in response to questions from reporters about Trump's tweets firing back at former FBI James Comey for Comey's testimony Thursday before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Pelosi said no one at the White House appears to be "brave enough" to tell the president that his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office you serve."

She also wondered about Trump's fitness for office.

"The president's fitness for office is something that has been called into question," she said. "I'm very worried about his fitness."

She said she doesn't know if anyone in the White House "has the courage" to try to make Trump be more disciplined about his actions and tweets.

"It's too bad because he needs work, and he needs sleep," Pelosi said.





https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/06/09/nancy-pelosi-trump-needs-sleep-and-shes-worried-his-fitness/102673648/

MBS

(9,688 posts)
69. ?HUH? No, Diane, he can't learn and change.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:08 AM
Aug 2017

If there were ever a hopeless case - a dangerously hopeless case - Trump is it.
And no chance that he will ever "forget himself" or develop anything even close to empathy.

Ordinarily, I am by temperament and philosophical conviction an optimist.
But I see NO hope for Trump.
The only hope for our country is to remove Trump from office.
I agree with a poster (I think on DU) who wrote a few weeks ago:
every day that Trump is in office, our country is in danger.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
88. That's what she was saying in a backhanded way.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:39 AM
Aug 2017

We all know he won't change, and that's one reason his supporters love him. She's trolling them, too.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
97. You're right (I hope!)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:31 PM
Aug 2017

The headline of the article was definitely misleading- it omitted that all-important IF.

She's pretty savvy, and, among other issues, knows way too much about the Russia Thing (her ashen face at a news conference - last year, I think - told me everything I needed to know about the seriousness of the situation) to be bamboozled by anything he says or does.

If she's playing games with him, fingers crossed she is victorious.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
104. Yes, she's done this before, and she's no fool.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:51 PM
Aug 2017

Unlike what many on this thread seem to think.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
156. Senatorial culture is hard for most people to understand. This was damning with faint praise. (n/t)
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 09:34 AM
Aug 2017
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
107. No, she's concern trolling. But if you're here to bash
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:55 PM
Aug 2017

Democratic leaders, you won't be here long.

Eugene

(61,937 posts)
77. The operative word here is "IF."
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:18 AM
Aug 2017

The original SF Chronicle article is useful to providing context:

Feinstein surprises SF crowd by expressing hope for Trump

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Feinstein-surprises-SF-crowd-by-expressing-hope-12160141.php

______________________________________________________________________

I'll give the Senator the benefit of the doubt for trying to be the good statesperson, but I think Trump is incorrigible.

Freethinker65

(10,033 posts)
78. And Feinstein 'can be a good' Senator, if she would just disregard her personal financial holdings..
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:19 AM
Aug 2017

...enough to have the type of empathy and direction the country needs.


To her credit, at least we have seen the 'good' in the Senator in the past. We have yet to see any good from Trump that does not benefit Trump.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
86. She's concern trolling. She doesn't think he will change at all. That's why she said
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:34 AM
Aug 2017

"if" he changes who he is "then" he will be a good president. Which is saying that he's not, and we all know that he won't change. His supporters count on him not changing. She's trolling them as well.

FakeNoose

(32,706 posts)
103. Yes she knew everything as soon as Obama did - before the election
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:51 PM
Aug 2017

Feinstein is on that committee and she has security clearance.

That's why her statement doesn't make sense. Maybe she's trying to give Cheeto a false sense of security?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
106. I think that it's trolling him and his supporters.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:54 PM
Aug 2017

They don't want him to "change" or "forget himself" or get any snowflake "empathy."

She's underlining that, and the fact that "he could become" a "good president," meaning that he isn't currently.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
93. This is precisely what's wrong with the Democratic Leadership.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:44 AM
Aug 2017

They deal in improbable what-ifs, rather than recognizing how things really are. And her statement makes it clear she simply does not understand how many people will be badly hurt -- are already being badly hurt -- by his actions.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
126. You took what she said literally, instead of ironically...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:34 PM
Aug 2017

When her comments are saying that he's "not" a good president, and by "forgetting himself" he would become a good president.

And you know that he campaigned on not "changing" once he was in office....

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
158. I'll concede that.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:54 PM
Aug 2017

And as I didn't actually listen to Feinstein say that, so I don't know her tone of voice (which is often very helpful and exactly why the various icons got invented), but I don't think I've seen anything that indicates she really did intend that statement ironically. And quite frankly, there is nothing at all in her statement that indicates anything other than a straightforward statement, no irony or sarcasm intended.

Not to mention various fellow politicians are taking her to task on this.

J_William_Ryan

(1,756 posts)
95. No,
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:16 PM
Aug 2017

he can't.

Trump is still wrong on the issues and pursues the same failed rightwing agenda.

Unless "learn and change" means Trump abandons the failed, wrongheaded conservative agenda.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
108. You think she was being serious?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:57 PM
Aug 2017

You missed the whole backhanded insult?

If he "needs to forget himself" and gain "empathy" in order to "become" a "good president" then she's saying that he isn't a good president, he thinks only of himself, and has no empathy.

She's also trolling his supporters, who voted for him because he doesn't have that "snowflake" empathy, and wouldn't change once he's in office.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
105. good for her
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:54 PM
Aug 2017

Diane is on the intel committee so she is fully aware that trump is absolutely not going to be impeached. She is the most gutsy dem senator of all and for that I immensely respect her. She never puts party above people and does a good job at waking up the freaking echo chamber that our party has become.

She also realizes that repubs are likely to increase their majorities post 2018. She wants to work for american people regardless of president, you can't just wish him away; elections have consequences.

All we do now is talking trump which will cost us 2018 and 2020 because we are just amplifying him, he feeds on media. He is the most popular man in the world based on coverage.

Don't forget that Obama said that trump would be a pragmatic president who will eventually learn how to be president. And Hillary said that the best days of America are still to come.

Feinstein doesn't do trolling. She seems to be willing to become friendler to trump so you don't have to. She likely wants to minimize damage and make sure trump listens to what she has to say regarding policy instead of just dismissing it like the rest of dems.

If there is one thing we've learned about this 'president' is that he reponds to flattery. So there is a way to make him listen.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
111. What a damn dumb remark. Is DiFi completely insane? NK, Transgenders, neo-Nazis, undoing Obama, ...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:18 PM
Aug 2017

TREASON.

Sickening interview.

democrank

(11,098 posts)
115. No need to twist myself into a pretzel in order to approve of Feinstein's statement.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:41 PM
Aug 2017

She should have said...."Trump will NEVER be a good president, not now, not ever"

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
117. Pandering
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 02:50 PM
Aug 2017

It's pandering to people who like to claim both sides are decisive. Basically saying that she's open to Trump being a good president if he changes his ways. Don't know that that is the smartest way to put it though at this time.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
119. Let's call it positive reinforcement.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:13 PM
Aug 2017

Bush-Cheney made a point of f#cking over Calif and getting Ahnold installed to continue the job. NY didn't fare so well either if you'll recall. So far Trump hasn't shown the same talent for psychopathy.

pansypoo53219

(20,987 posts)
121. that is just stupid. even his trip did NOTHING. did eddie haskel change on beaver?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:16 PM
Aug 2017

hitler was hitler. troll is troll.

kimbutgar

(21,174 posts)
122. She needs to be primaried
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 03:33 PM
Aug 2017

I live in California and have thought for years Feinstein is a corporate Dem who is so rich and out of touch. Retire a Diane.

Warpy

(111,319 posts)
127. Either she wants something and is massaging his enormous ego
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:35 PM
Aug 2017

or she's in lala land and needs to be primaried because there is not the remotest possibility that anyone with the combination of his ignorance and his personality disorder "can" be a good president. He can't.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
129. LOL still waiting on Just one Republican Senator to say anything even close
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:35 PM
Aug 2017

To that nice about PBO or Clinton.

Gotta love Democrats

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
135. Inaccurate headline: she said "under no illusion that its likely to happen"
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:14 PM
Aug 2017

Odd that you complain a Hill headline with an accurate quote is 'misleading', but happily quote a later, inaccurate one.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
136. Got me, I guess. I accurately copied the headline, and
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:08 PM
Aug 2017

am taking the heat, with no smarmy self justification.

And if I had changed the headline, particularly of a publication that has been blessed by the OP, I'm sure I would be called out as well.

I guess that the idea of rebutting something with the source that the person you are debating thinks is valid is so lame and old school.

You win!!!

sandensea

(21,650 posts)
148. The title leaves out too much context.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:08 AM
Aug 2017

"The question is whether he can learn and change," she said. "If so, I believe he can be a good president." She also said that Trump will have to "forget himself enough and have the type of empathy and direction the country needs."

She's making it clear that this person is being completely obtuse and self-obsessed at the moment, and that he should fundamentally change for his own good - and the nation's.

Hard to argue with that.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
149. What she means to say is: TRUMP can be a good POTUS if he would just be someone else
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:24 AM
Aug 2017

BC Trump as himself is a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE president

raccoon

(31,115 posts)
152. I'm not saying a 71-year-old can't learn and change,
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:15 AM
Aug 2017

I'm not saying a 71-year-old can't learn and change, but they first have to want to.

I Imagine DT thinks he's perfect just the way he is.

 

clu

(494 posts)
159. tbh
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:53 PM
Aug 2017

I read some blurb about bannon wanting to raise taxes on some people. I hate to admit it but if he really did what *he* wanted to do, and not what his cabinet and lobbyists want, he may pull out a few surprises on us. heck he might implement a good idea by mistake and be lauded for it. but seriously what is the chance he won't detract from anything like that with a hundred more bad ideas.

she's being nice, whatever. what is her voting record? I remember reading some bad stuff but tbh i'm not sure

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