Nancy Pelosi Releases a Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

[DonViejo]

Source: Mediaite




by Joseph A. Wulfsohn | 10:26 pm, August 29th, 2017

-snip-

Over the weekend, violence broke out in Berkeley, CA where black-clad protestors assaulted several peaceful Trump supporters, which led to 13 arrests.

The California congresswoman released a statement with her reaction to the violence that took place.

“Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts,” she stated. “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.” She went on to express support for peaceful protest and free speech.

“In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech,” she continued. “Non-violence is fundamental to that right. Let us use this sad event to reaffirm that we must never fight hate with hate, and to remember the values of peace, openness and justice that represent the best of America.”




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[Not Ruth]

1. Antifa is going to get mad

[Loki Liesmith]

7. who cares?

college age dilettantes.

[vi5]

2. Both sides......many sides.

When in doubt, punch some hippies.

[leftynyc]

3. If you want ANY credibility

you have to be willing to call out your own side when they fuck up. Has nothing to do with punching hippies unless you think hippies are prone to violence and can't help themselves.

[vi5]

4. It gives credibility to the false equivalency.....

I'm seeing it all over social media. "The KKK, Nazis and Antifa are ALL wrong!!!"

No. Once side by definition advocates the genocide, extermination and enslavement of non-whites. The other side has some members who maybe punched some people. That's not a "both sides" situation. Oe is grave threat to democracy and freedom that has representatives and advocates at the highest levels of government. The other has a few vandals and hooligans and zero power or influence over anything.

[leftynyc]

5. Do you not understand

that by excusing violence on our side, you're simply making it easier for the "both sides suck" morons to make that claim? And by remaining silent about it, you are excusing it.

[vi5]

9. We are in this current shit state due to "both sides-ism"

For the better part of 2 decades now our "sensible" politicians have played into this narrative that horrible beliefs, words, and direct actions on the Republican side, aided and abetted specifically by elected Republican politicians with direct connections and sympathies to these groups, are the equivalent to a few random members of fringe groups with zero power and zero connections to the Democratic party or any of our members.

That has allowed that creeping rightward shift where anything and everything the Republican party does can be excused by a non-equivalent "both sides" that is used to smear genuine and legitimate opposition.

"Sure specific Republican politicians have provided material support, legislation, money, and cover for police getting away with shooting unarmed African American citizens.......but someone with a Black Lives Matter avatar said something mean on a message board so......you know both sides are at fault."

How does a few vandals and thugs at a rally connect to the Democratic party? Does antifa have ANY connection whatsoever to ANY Democratic politician with any power in government? If the answer is no (spoiler alert: it is) then why would Pelosi have to comment on them at all? Again, her doing so gives credence to the notion that Antifa is part of the Democratic party at all, and something that she has an obligation to disavow. It gives ammunition to the idiots I see on facebook who are trying to present Antifa as an equivalent to the KKK or Nazis. And I'm sorry, but despite some questionable tactics among a few members if anyone sees an equivalence between the two groups AT ALL then that is why we are in this shit situation right now.

[maxrandb]

64. You're absolutely right

Democrats leave their "Crazy Aunts" locked up in the attic, ReTrumplicans elect them to Congress and the White House.

[LenaBaby61]

102. We are in this current shit state due to "both sides-ism"

[Loki Liesmith]

8. Legitimizing violence as a political tactic

ALWAYS works in favor of fascists. That's the future they want.

[vi5]

10. It's not legitimizing anything....

They are a group that has nothing to do with the Democratic party or ANY Democratic politicians. They have zero power or influence over anything. Her commenting on them does nothing but legitimize the notion that they are connected to "our side" or the Democratic party and thus gives them the power and influence and equivalency that idiots on the right are saying they have.

[R B Garr]

18. Not so fast in demonizing Pelosi. The Bernie Sanders' backed Berkeley mayor wants

to designate Antifa as a gang.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/berkeley-mayor-classify-antifa-as-a-gang/

That looks like a remarkably 'centrist' position compared to what he ran on.

[vi5]

19. I don't give a shit who Bernie Sanders backed...

Is there anything that people on this board can't relate back to fighting the stupid primary?

If someone on "our side" feels that trying to gain points by punching down is the most important thing they can do with their time, action, and bully pulpit at this point then I'm going to call them out for misplaced priorities.

It's a matter of false moral equivalence and I don't care who does it. It lends ammunition to the "both sides are at fault" excuse that lets Republicans and their hate group backers off the hook.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

105. Punching down?

Punching down is publicly admonishing the poor for buying cigarettes. These are violent anarchists we're talking about, our public position should be none other than "fuck those guys".

[melman]

61. 'Bernie Sanders backed Berkeley mayor'

lol

[R B Garr]

69. lol Google lol

[melman]

99. Not the point obviously

the lol was over the gratuitous and entirely predictable reference.

[R B Garr]

103. Sure it was. I see you don't mind that Pelosi is gratuitously and entirely

predictably smeared as some kind of Establishment mumbo jumbo.

[melman]

100. commenting on them does nothing but legitimize the notion that they are connected to "our side"

Yep. That really says it all. I don't know why that's tough for people to understand.

[tymorial]

28. This such garbage.

The condemnation is against the violence not the ideology from which the violence originates. If antifa started to peacefully protest then all criticism ends.

I just love when people attempt to use logical fallacy to defeat an argument while at the same time engaging in logical fallacy.

[vi5]

30. So a few weeks ago we were aghast at Trump...

for saying that "many sides" were responsible for the violence and were equally culpable.

Now everyone is falling all over themselves to basically say the same thing and agree with him.

What the holy hell is going on here?

[LisaM]

63. She also, carefully, said, "those CALLING themselves Antifa".

It seems to be an umbrella term at the moment. This needs to be sorted out quickly, because I am nowhere near ready to condemn violence as a first response to anything, and I'm also not going to ever identify with Fascism.

[geek tragedy]

36. Antifa are thugs, not hippies nt

[vi5]

38. So you agree with Trump....

Many sides. Both sides are violent and equally responsible.

Got it.

So how does this work? They want to exterminate and subjugate non-white citizens, the other side doesn't and sometimes gets aggressive. So we should....what? Compromise. We won't get so aggressive and they'll agree to only exterminate and subjugate SOME non-white citizens? What's a good number that would work you think?

[geek tragedy]

40. No, antifa thugs are not as bad as Nazi thugs. But they are still thugs.

And I also reject the idea that there were any 'fine people' marching with the Nazis.

Antifa thugs beat up more than just Nazis, they beat up journalists who attempt to film them.

Thugs who might as well be field producers for Fox News.

It is not necessary to engage in street violence to prevent genocide in North America. Good grief.

[vi5]

43. You've clearly never been protected or saved from one of these "thugs".

I have, long before most of the sensible centrists on here even knew what antifa was. But maybe instead of thanking him for hitting the nazi that was trying to kill me I should have scolded him for not being more civil.

My mistake.

[geek tragedy]

52. How do you feel about the antifa types who just beat the shit out of unarmed alt-righters, or who

try to beat up journalists who film them in action?

Antifa types have a symbiotic relationship with Neonazi goon squads much like Likud and Hamas have in Israel/Palestine. Though they clash violently, they make each other viable and serve as a justification for one another's existence.

[vi5]

85. The same way I feel about....

any member of any individual group that would do such things. If it's not supported by or endorsed by or encouraged the focus of the entire movement then I look at those individuals accordingly.

Those actions aren't the goal of anything close to the entire movement or collective of antifa.

Violence and subjugation of ethnic, religious, and cultural groups IS the entire motivation, reason for being, and collective thinking of the KKK and the nazis.

But by all means I'm sure all these very reasonable Dems tripping over themselves to be the loudest to condemn Antifa will get a nice shiny gold star sticker from David Brooks or Morning Joe.

[geek tragedy]

87. Are the mob beatings of alt-righters and the occasional journalist (a) the work of a few bad apples

or (b) necessary to prevent genocide?

[vi5]

89. Hmmmm...wow you are right.

Both sides. Many sides to all of this.

I should really strive to be much more reasonable and sensible.

[geek tragedy]

93. It is analytically incorrect to say one can't criticize both without recognizing

the differences between them.

Athlete's foot is not as bad as cancer, but people still treat athlete's foot as a problem

[Jazzgirl]

107. Why would you think antifa is beating the shit out of alt-righters?

Seriously it's not alt-right....it's racists! Sounds to me like you're paying way too much attention to the right wing rags and MSM that are labeling antifa as violent. This is very reminiscent of what happened during another movement a very few years ago.

[AlexSFCA]

6. We?

Is she rolling antifa under 'we'? They have nothing to do with dems. Turns out trump was right? both sides?

[vi5]

11. Exactly. It's not about actions it's about power and influence.

She can talk about antifa when we see them endorsing Democratic politicians, or donating to the democratic party or posing for pictures with Democrats, or when any Democratic politician hires them for his or her staff or cabinet.

Until then, talking about them does nothing but let them get away with their both sides equivalency and muddy the waters of perception which is what they want to do.

[AlexSFCA]

20. then I'd put antifa and neo nazi

as one side - extremists.
Left or right is irrelevant. They both so extreme that they overlap leading to the same result.

Again, antifa has nothing to do with dem party but neo nazi alt right has a lot to do with rep party. As if dem party is now obligated to 'disavow' antifa that it never had anything to do with. It's very different from BLM.

[vi5]

21. Explain how antifa and neo nazis are the same?

One supports genocide and slavery. One opposes that. How are those the same thing? What is antifa's equivalent position to that?

And for the record I say this as someone who is a lifetime ACLU member who believes that the nazi's have a right to march and to assemble. But there's no fucking possible way to make the equivalence.

But again, it's irrelevant because as you agree, antifa has no connection to the Democratic party, but Pelosi and others have now made one. So....great job feeding into Republican framed narratives yet again Dems.

[Marengo]

76. There are anti-democratic, totalitarian elements within the broad antifa movement which are...

Little better, such as Maoists and the like. Any one would parades about with a Soviet flag for example can't honestly claim much by the way of moral superiority.

[vi5]

82. "elements within the broad"

Yeah. Exactly.

[Jazzgirl]

109. That's exactly what the racist right wants you to do.

This is diversion, deflection....whateva! This is exactly what they want. Go right ahead and fall in line with it.

[Jazzgirl]

108. Sorry. I call bullshit.

n/t

[Coventina]

12. Sorry Nancy, but I don't make nice with Nazis.

Fighting fascists is a social duty!

[Not Ruth]

13. Do you consider the military and police to be fascists?

[Coventina]

14. What an odd question. No, if they are doing their sworn duty and not abusing their power.

If they are part of a fascist state, then yes.

[Not Ruth]

15. How does one know if they are part of the fascist state?

[Coventina]

16. Fascist states are proudly so, it's not hard to identify them.

[Not Ruth]

17. Can I get a list?

[Coventina]

22. Um....google is your friend, but you can start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements

[Not Ruth]

23. Based on that list, Kenya is the only fascist state

[Coventina]

24. I have no idea what your point is.

Are you saying we wait to fight fascists until they have taken over?

Screw that!

[Not Ruth]

25. You said that fascist states are easy to identify, but you are unable to identify any

[Coventina]

26. What on earth are you talking about?

I'm talking about stomping on Nazis BEFORE they gain any power.

I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR THEM TO TAKE OVER!!!

[WhoWoodaKnew]

27. Finally

[wryter2000]

29. Those "antifa"

looked suspiciously like the anarchists who show up at almost every rally to cause trouble. They're a curse.

Happily, I didn't see any at the women's march in Oakland.

[The_Casual_Observer]

31. I won't hold my breath waiting for the day that pelosi attends a

nazi protest.

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. The false equivalency reeks.

The Antifa, or anti-fascists, arose as a response to the rising tide of racists that Trump, and RW media has systematically emboldened. They did not just pop up out of thin air. Just like these brave fighters in WW2, who also used violent means to fight back.

Counter-violence is not a good solution, but to equate fighting back against fascism, as the same as fighting for a new American fascist state is ludicrous. And sorry, but I give a pass, up to a point, for some of the property destruction etc that the Antifa have been accused of. There is only so far good people will accept before they fight back. Some will go too far, or will be too young or disturbed, but please, comparing the history of violence of the White Supremacists right up to the present day, to a relatively new small group on the fringes that arose in response to the physical assaulting that the WS have been getting away with and taunting the left, inciting some to fight back physically, is so disingenuous and counter productive.

[Coventina]

33. Thank you. I've had it up to here with the "whataboutism" and false equivalencies

both in the media, the politburo, and THIS SITE!

on edit: fixed dumb grammar....

[geek tragedy]

35. Antifa aren't brave soldiers, they're thugs hiding behind masks who punch

Nazis because they like punching people.

[Coventina]

37. My WW2 Veteran Grandfather disagrees. n/t

[geek tragedy]

39. My WW2 grandfather never hid behind a mask when he killed people in Okinawa.

Or when he took shrapnel in his chest.

Antifa are the same black bloc thugs who have been showing up at every protest movement and hijacking it.

A bunch of overprivileged young white men looking to get their thug on.

[Coventina]

42. "Young white men"? Uh, you might want to check that stereotype with the antifa members

on this board.

[geek tragedy]

50. Might want to check it with the arrest records of antifa members nt

[Coventina]

51. Yes, well, we all know the police don't profile at all....

[geek tragedy]

53. how does one profile people wearing masks?

Also, those being arrested are usually white punks in their 20's, not black women in their 50's.

[Coventina]

56. We clearly have an unbridgeable difference of opinion so I'll just say this:

I'm an obvious target of Nazis.

I'm glad the antifa is there, and I will staunchly support them until/unless I see that the movement as a whole has lost its mission.

A few arrests here and there are probably false-flaggers or troublemakers who weren't spotted soon enough.

I'm sure you don't believe this, but they do look out for those just out to create problems.

[LiberalLovinLug]

44. A small number probably are there just for that

As in the Nazi marches, I'm sure there are those that are just prone to violence and like a good fight and really don't have anything much against blacks or jews living in the country, but join up for the adrenaline and potential violence.

But the antifa movement was NOT born out of thin air just to punch random people. Sorry. There are other ways to go if that is what you want to do; join a gang, join the mafia, hell, just go to bars and ask the guy next to you what his problem is. It was born by those who had it up to here with watching the right wing WS getting away with violence because the other side, who traditionally believed in non-violence, always got the wrong end of the stick.

This image is all about those that also had had enough with fascists getting away with unprovoked violence. There is a difference between unprovoked and provoked violence.

[vi5]

45. Thank you......

I can always tell when people on "our side" had never heard of Antifa before the media and our very sensible, reasonable leaders told them what to think about them by how closely they parrot right wing talking points.

[Coventina]

46. No kidding. Sometimes I think this site should be called "Democratic Garden and Tea Party"

The pearl clutching sometimes....

[vi5]

48. And again....

...I'm not even necessarily condoning violence or saying Antifa is perfect or infallible.

My issue here isn't violence or non-violence. Its feeding into the false equivalency that the Right wing loves to peddle.

They did it with Occupy. They did it with Black Lives Matters. And they're doing it now with Antifa.

And ironically enough in many cases it's the same people who love to incessantly lecture about "perfect being the enemy of the good" and purity tests when it comes to electoral politics.

[ck4829]

77. It seems weird that people want to get rid of this idea of antifa but not suggest some sort of...

alternative to resisting the fascism that is sweeping the right wing and sapping legitimacy from the federal government today.

I say that if one wants to take an option off the table, they should put a replacement option on that table!

[Coventina]

79. We have a host of Neville Chamberlains on this board, apparently.

If we flash enough peace-signs they'll all go away quietly....

[geek tragedy]

49. Street battles make fascism more likely, not less.

Civil unrest feeds demands for a strong state police authority to step in and restore order.

Dangerous stuff given who's in the White House.

[Coventina]

54. So we tolerate Nazis becauase one is in the White House?

You see how that works out and get back to me, Mr. Chamberlain....

[geek tragedy]

55. There is a vast amount of space between "tolerate" and "beat the shit out of."

Confront them through the political process.

Charlottesville was a debacle for the bad guys not because of antifa violence, but because of Neo-Nazi violence.

[Coventina]

57. Hahahaha! If Nazis could be eradicated through politics we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

We just *had* a political process.....and President Trump was the result.

[geek tragedy]

58. Political views are never "eradicated" but they can be marginalized and defeated.

Not every white racist is a Nazi.

[Coventina]

59. Is being a non-Nazi white racist not as bad?

I'm not sure what your point is.

Both are evil, I don't think one gets a "less evil" award.

And, clearly, racists, Nazi or not, won the day in our last election, so forgive me for my lack of faith in the political process.

[geek tragedy]

60. Almost all white people in the USA are some kind of racist.

We're plants growing in racist soil, animals breathing in racist air.

There's a continuum spanning from latent biases to Nazi/KKK exterminationists.

If your plan is to go to war with every white person who's got some kind of racism in their worldview, you're going to lose badly.

[Coventina]

62. Who said anything about a war against white people?

Now you're just making stuff up.

[geek tragedy]

65. you said there was no distinction between run of the mill white racists and Nazi exterminationists

That's not a viable approach in the USA.

[Coventina]

66. So now you're defending white nationalists?

[geek tragedy]

68. no, I said there's a wide and vast spectrum of racist beliefs

within US society. Some are a purer distillation of evil than others.

Also, it's never okay to beat the shit out of someone because of their political beliefs.

[Coventina]

70. Racism in the home, while horrible and evil is not my issue.

I'm talking about those who in the street call for murdering me and my loved ones.

And yes, if you are calling publicly for my murder, I'm going to resist by any means necessary, whatever your "political beliefs" might be.

[geek tragedy]

71. a lot of people seem to ignore the "necessary" part of the "any means necessary"

Antifa thug violence is not even helpful to resisting white supremacy, fascism and Nazism, let alone 'necessary'

Civil Rights Act didn't get passed because people started beating the shit out of KKK members.

[Coventina]

72. You have your opinion and I have mine.

I see them as VERY necessary.

[geek tragedy]

73. Lots of people who engage in preemptive violence claim it's necessary

They've rarely been vindicated by history.

[Coventina]

74. Antifa does not engage in preemptive violence.

If they do, they are not adhering to the antifa mission.

They will fight back, but will not strike the first blow.

Like I posted before, they make every possible effort to weed out those troublemakers and/or false-flaggers ahead of time.

[geek tragedy]

75. So we're down to the No True Scotsman defense?

Feel free to tell me who did more to help the anti-racism cause, Al Letson or the antifa goon squad that tried to beat an unarmed alt-righter to death.

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/28/546831794/i-saw-his-humanity-reveal-host-on-protecting-right-wing-protester

[Coventina]

78. Like I said, you have your opinion and I have mine.

I'm not going to apologize for mine, and I don't expect you to apologize for yours.

I'll just say, I'm highly suspicious of any media reports, especially ones that are self-reported. Also, the outbreak of the incident isn't mentioned.

Fighting fascists is a social duty. The alt-right (i.e. white supremacists) has chosen to align themselves with fascism. If that brings them to grief I'm not going to feel sorry for them over it.

[geek tragedy]

81. What part of that video was ambiguous?

Unarmed, helpless alt-righter being viciously beaten by a mob of masked thugs. Black man comes to his rescue.

It's right there on video. And antifa supporters should really make up their mind as to whether that kind of thuggery is (1) just a few bad apples or (2) necessary.


Btw, here's the rescuer's account:

So [far-right activist] Joey Gibson was doing his “Patriot Prayer” thing—he came through with like two other guys, and he was antagonizing the black bloc, and it really escalated. So they started chasing Joey and this guy. They ran across the street—I’m literally right next to Joey while all this is happening, so I know this to be true—they ran into the police, and the police kind of protected them. But this other guy—I’m not sure if he was with Joey. It looked like he was, but I’m not sure. He was running in kind of a different place, and he stumbled—or someone tripped him—and then four or five people surrounded him and began to kick and hit him with like a flagpole. And I was just filming it, but at some point I looked behind him and I saw a whole mass of people coming, and I just thought that they were going to kill him. And, you know, I didn’t want anybody to die. So I just dropped my stuff and dove in and got on top of him. Originally I wasn’t planning on getting on top of him; I just wanted to shield him. I wanted to break it up, but then I realized there were too many of them, and there was no way that was going to happen.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/08/28/an_interview_with_al_letson_who_intervened_in_the_berkeley_antifa_beating.html

[Coventina]

83. I can't watch the video right now. I just read the article.

But I will say this, I would never describe an alt-righter as a victim.

Nope. Not. Happening.

[geek tragedy]

84. Be careful not to stare into the abyss, lest it stare into you. nt

[Coventina]

88. We've seen the abyss before....and it came from Nazis and their ilk.

I'm not going quietly.

Not by a long shot.

[Marengo]

91. What if that alt-righter's behavior is peaceful, should he/she still be physically assaulted?

[Coventina]

94. Hahahaha! Peaceful alt-righter! Hahahahaha!

OK, *whew*

Thanks for the laugh!

No, I don't believe in throwing the first punch.

I've posted about this NUMEROUS times.

[Dave Starsky]

47. I file Antifa along with PETA...

In the groups that exist solely to ensure that people with liberal "peace-for-the-world-be-kind-to-everyone-including-animals" ideals are discredited as much as possible.

I think there are a lot of entrenched, very wealthy people that don't want to hear about "that Golden Rule bullshit".

[geek tragedy]

34. Good. Thugs should always be condemned nt

[Retrograde]

41. If by "antifa" she means

that bunch of people in black who cover their faces and have been showing up at Berkeley and Oakland protests for the past decade or so with to start the destruction and violence - she's right, and I'm with her.

[truthisfreedom]

67. We have to make a choice.

We hold republicans responsible for NOT speaking out against neo-nazis, white supremacists, violent racists, and others who we find intolerable in a civil society. It seems only right that we set an example by speaking out against ANYONE who gets violent toward peaceful protesters. That seems like an absolute.

Are there legitimate antifa real members and and illegitimate antifa fake infiltrators? Are the illegitimate infiltrators anarchists who don't believe in anything except their own cause? Or is it far more complex?

If those who chose to identify as antifa truly want to preserve that name and that identity, a great deal of work is going to have to be done to change its optics with the public. The first recommendation I'd make is to separate themselves from the "black clad with masks" persons by switching to a new color scheme and eliminating the masks completely. Then the thugs will either have to reveal themselves or they'll stick with their colors and be separate, easy to identify, and can be renamed as anarchists.

[Bradical79]

80. How many were hurt? -nt

[Not Ruth]

86. Bloods, Crips, Antifa, note that this is the exact same stuff they did to the Juggalos

Who are stronger than ever........


According to David Pyrooz, a gang expert and sociology professor at the University of Boulder, Colorado, the criteria for gang designation usually comes down to five factors:

durability and organization
youth-oriented
street-oriented, meaning the group is active in public spaces
engaged in illegal activity
has a group identity, that may be reinforced by signs, symbols, slogans

https://news.vice.com/story/what-happens-if-local-cops-label-antifa-a-gang

[JonLP24]

92. I can't believe they considered ICP fans a gang

I knew so many "Juggalos" just by growing up here and they weren't gangs. They would make a point to buy Faygo because the band drinks it.

[Not Ruth]

90. This has nothing to do with Antifa, but posted just to show the variety of political beliefs

I believe that it captures much of the Antifa spirit, though not the primary goals.

Looting is necessary for survival, etc

http://libcom.org/blog/hurricane-harvey-5-reasons-looting-essential-survival-30082017?utm_content=buffer9d4da&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

5. Looting and other action against price gouging also has a long and rich history in the class struggle

Food riots were a regular occurrence during the American revolution.

On July 22nd 1918, Fisherman's wives began a national wave of rice riots and strike action when they attempted to prevent the export of grain in Toyama, Japan. In the '40s, Japanese workers seized factories and mines to run them directly to produce basic necessities in the face of hoarding by corporations and massive food shortages.

In '70s Italy, workers acted collectively to force transport and electricity price reductions.

Looting is not only normalised during natural disasters but during urban insurrections such as LA 1992 and Ferguson 2014.

[tenderfoot]

95. How many deaths are attributed to Antifa?

How many people have they driven their cars into? How many bombings have they conducted?

Oh... they've broken windows and vandalized...

Yeah, they're right up there with the KKK and Nazis.

You can barely tell the difference.



Spare me with this BULLSHIT Nancy.

[LiberalLovinLug]

96. thankyou

[Not Ruth]

97. Your standards are a bit low for civilized behavior

[regnaD kciN]

101. Of course, we might have had some trouble...

...with that Adolf guy in Germany back in the '30s, if we hadn't prevented him from gaining power there through our strategic use of standards of civilized behavior!

[Raine]

98. Yes, exactly! nt

[maxsolomon]

104. The link in the very first sentence contradicts the "peaceful Trump supporters" assertion

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the violence began when the anti-Trump protestors were pepper-sprayed as a provocation.

this is exactly what happened when Joshua Dukes was shot at UWashington in Seattle on 1/20/17. Mark Hokoana pepper-sprayed the Antifa protestors, Dukes took it away from him, so Hokoana's wife Elizabeth shot him at close range. why is Antifa SO VIOLENT?

does the Left have the right of self-defense, or is that only for fat old goateed white men open-carrying semi-automatic firearms?

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106. Can't very well get in the way of Dems getting them "bipartisan" bonafides...

It means more to them than anything.

The fact that so many on here, especially many who are so constantly going on about "parotting Republican talking points" when it comes to saying even the most innocuous, agreed upon things when it comes to Dem politicians, doing just that when it comes to antifa.

It's pathetic how I've watched this "antifa is bad!" talking point spread from a few crackpots and russian bots on social media, into the mainstream discourse, and now people on here at DU who should fucking no better.

Especially since we saw them do the same exact thing with Occupy and the same exact thing with Black Lives Matter.