Hillary: My 'Skin Crawled' When 'Creep' Trump Stood Near Me

[DonViejo]

Source: The Daily Beast




Hillary Clinton’s new memoir about the 2016 presidential election, called What Happened, will reportedly reveal that Trump’s intimidation tactics during the second debate made her “skin (crawl).” She wrote: “What would you do? Do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren't repeatedly invading your space? Or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly: ‘Back up you creep, get away from me. I know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me, so back up.’” Clinton also shares that she regrets “letting down” the American people when she lost the election. “I couldn't get the job done. And I'll have to live with that for the rest of my life.”

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[mercuryblues]

1. I worked in retail for about a year

The head of security and I seemed to be on the same break schedule and we talked a lot.

One day she came in pretty irate. A guy was going around behind women and simulating grinding on her. That is what trump reminds me of. If he didn't have his wealth, he would be in a department store following women around and imitating sex acts with them, while their backs were turned.

[riversedge]

9. YUK. now to try to get that image out of my head!

[sarge43]

23. The body language during those debates was enlightening.

It was clear Trump wasn't just a clown; he was a primal predator. He didn't just talk the hunt; he played it.

I admired Clinton for keeping her cool.

[Thomas Hurt]

27. If Trump did not have money, they would have the bodies buried in his backyard long ago.

[yallerdawg]

2. While Hillary's book may be very interesting, revealing, and informative...

I want to read the 62,984,825 books explaining how fellow travelers on this planet could vote for the most deplorable, unqualified, racist, sexist pig to ever run for office in American history.

It is not your fault, Hillary.

It is not your fault.

[zipplewrath]

5. 53% of White women

I just wanna read the books of the 53% of white women that voted for him.

[FakeNoose]

12. That's the same number of women who chose to believe

... the lies of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, rather than their own minds and hearts.
Amazing coincidence.

You think some women in this country aren't programmed to be sexist, just like their fathers, brothers and husbands? Think again! The big story of the 2016 election is how many people voted AGAINST their own interests because of stupidity, racism and sexism.

[zipplewrath]

20. the new Normal

I'm afraid that what it really indicates is just how many women have been conditioned to believe that his behavior is somehow "normal" or "natural" or something. That abuse is something that is to be accepted as part of living.

[milestogo]

65. A few years ago I was going door to door for a campaign in a rural area

On more than several occasions a woman answered the door and told me that her husband was the one who decided who they would vote for. I was kind of freaked out by this, but apparently there are a lot of women who do exactly what their husbands tell them to do in the voting booth.

[Danmel]

69. I am a Democratic party committee woman.

And I work for an elected official. I have carried nomination petitions for years. I have encountered quite a few men who speak for their wives. The man, a rethug, answers the door. I politely ask for the wife and told she isn't interested in voting. I had a say I'm voting for Trump and tell his wife, you are too and close the door. I've seen women cower when their husbands tell them they aren't allowed to sign.
It's very upsetting. And this is in a suburb of NYC. I can only imagine what it's like in red states.

[Calista241]

70. I live in a red state. While I'm sure there's an anecdote like that

I have never run across it, and I live in a suburb of Atlanta. Many / most of the women I speak to are more than happy to speak their minds, about politics or whatever.

I know a number of men who vote the way their wife tells them as well.

Red state Women, in my experience, are not some group of meek, kowtowing, submissive, baby rearing dinner cookers most of the people in this thread seem to have bought into.

[Danmel]

72. Glad to hear that!

[IndieRick]

21. A bit less black and white

The data indicate how deeply divided Americans are by race and gender: 94 percent of black women who voted and 68 percent of Hispanic or Latino female voters chose Hillary Clinton, but 53 percent of all white female voters picked Mr. Trump.

The data can be broken down further: 51 percent of white women with college degrees voted for Mrs. Clinton, while 62 percent of women without one voted for Mr. Trump, a reflection of his success with working-class whites.

(above from the NYTimes)

Trump's support comes from the under educated whites mostly, which makes perfect sense when you actually listened to the buffoon struggle with language, facts and especially truth. His election shows plainly how little the electorate believes our government represents them, and they were absolutely correct, at least in that assumption.
As Clinton represented the established order, and Trump ran as the anti establishment candidate ( a joke, though not very funny now) he got the votes of the fed up, of the despairing, of those who turned a deaf ear to his idiocy, divisiveness, hatred and lack of intellect.
The real reason Trump won over Hillary, in my opinion, even more important than her terrible campaign, was the fact that 93 million eligible voters stayed home, seeing, I guess, no real candidate in the race.

[bettyellen]

31. Except most people who went to college are also working class- and not "elites"

Hillary got the working class and the poor. That they were overal more educated doesn't matter.

[IndieRick]

68. demographics are what they are

and your comment does not at all reflect my point. But thanks for trying.

[yardwork]

66. You conveniently left out the fact that the majority of working class people voted for Clinton.

Trump got the wealthy voters. The rich, uneducated ones.

[IndieRick]

67. "conveniently"

I was not writing a treatise , only posting a specific response to a comment.t

[bettyellen]

73. But you mistakenly characterized her voters as somehow more elite- a lie the media and RWers push.

That's why we corrected you. As you said, "Nice try"

[yardwork]

75. Mm hm. And just happened to work in what a "bad" campaign Hillary ran, while mistating facts.

If you're going to criticize the Democratic nominee, it makes your case stronger if you cite accurate information.

[yardwork]

80. Again, you are presenting false information.

[IndieRick]

76. Not entirely true at all

If you take the time to read the demographics I provided, or that are available to you on line you might find that the 62,979,879 who voted for Trump were chiefly not the wealthiest, as ,of course there are in no way 63 million wealthy voters period.

I "conveniently" left out nothing, only made a specific point.

[byronius]

22. Psychotherapists call it 'bonding with the offender.'

[BlueMTexpat]

13. Amen to that! eom

[PatSeg]

35. And you just know that most of those voters

SAW his predatory behavior with Hillary and yet both men and women voted for him. Unlike many politicians, Trump never hid who and what he was - hateful, sexist, racist, aggressive, vulgar, and selfish. What does that say about his supporters? What does that say about our culture? I think that Trump is not the problem, he is the symptom. We should be very concerned.

[BainsBane]

3. His behavior was disturbing

I found it very unsettling.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. But it was identical to the way 35 million american men would behave in the same

situation.

Trump is a symptom of a truly and deeply disturbed society.

I was just handed a warning of how my health insurance premium will be going up, this will be due to trump's intentional actions meant to cause uncertainty in the business of health insurance.

He is pushing us to the brink, dont know what will happen when we get to the brink.

[Maxheader]

4. America really

screwed the pooch there. Experienced diplomat, statesman,
lived in a presidents environment for 8 years. Senator,
and involvement in government at an early age. We really
butchered the country with donny at the helm.

[delisen]

6. We have been too passive for too long, and now

we must embolden ourselves. In order to have democracy, the people have to lead. In order to lead, the people have to inform themselves.

Clinton and some other good office-holders, made the work of government seem easy. Now we see how much intelligence, wisdom, hard work, and commitment is required.

I regret being too patient with the voters who treated the election as a popularity contest, an entertainment, or treated their vote as a luxury item opportunity for self-expression.

[bettyellen]

32. Popularity contest is right. The "no one likes her" thing was tied to the emails excuse.

[joeybee12]

7. Thank you Madame President. Knr

[annabanana]

8. MY skin was crawling, just watching..

Imagine having that bloated debauched goon standing that close to you!

[Scarsdale]

10. My skin crawls

just seeing him on TV. He is repulsive in every way.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Can't watch political shows on TV anymore cuz can't stand seeing or hearing that ahole.

[GoCubsGo]

58. Yep. I remember many, many people saying they were horrified by it.

Myself included. I gained even more respect for her because she kept her cool, and she didn't let him rattle her or intimidate her.

[Bayard]

11. I have found

If you face creeps like this, and step in even closer to them, they back up.

[Yupster]

63. She could have done what shrub did

when Gore walked into his face. That was very effective.

[Bayard]

81. What was that?

[Yupster]

82. From you tube

Supposedly the surrogate for Gore did this during one of the debate rehearsals. He told Bush that Gore would do this in his debates so Bush was ready it might happen. He responded well and you see the audience laugh leaving Gore standing there.

Hillary could have done similar.

[Bayard]

84. Snorf!

Good one! Thanks!

[hurple]

14. Wish she had

stopped during the debate and told him to "Back Off!"

It quite possibly would have won her the election.

[milestogo]

17. Then she would have been called a "nasty" woman

And he would be the victim. That's his game.

[tammywammy]

50. Exactly.

This is what would happen via RW media a continuous cycle of: she's an aggressive bitch feminazi that just can't take a powerful man.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Or, she could have just turned around quickly,

and looked right at him without saying anything.

[bettyellen]

53. The thing is, the media spin on it- and not people's natural reactions- would have been what

Influenced everyone. I'm pretty certain they wouldn't have given her a win. She'd be skewered like it was HER fuck up. People should have been super disturbed by his behavior, but not so much I guess.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. I suppose. I think she handled the situation well.

Better than I would have, for sure.

[bettyellen]

55. I'd have been distracted, and pissed off. You know what killed me abou this today? I

Caught Tweety talking about it... and his reaction was that she was lying about feeling "creeped out" !!! Like WTF, it was a weird thing for DT to do, being creeped out is a valid reaction. He thought she was too "tough" to be creeped out, and literally accused her of lying... guests tried to explain how weird it is to suddenly be confronted w inappropriate behavior and reactions are vary a lot, but yeah. What a shitty thing for him to say.

I thought she was good because she showed she was steady and unruffled. But people kind of wanted a shit show so maybe her twisting his nose off would have been a good thing. I find it impossible to get in some voters heads. And moreso to trust the press not to ridicule her.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

56. I saw that too. He's an older man and as such he probably can't understand

how creepy it is for a woman to have a guy invading her personal space like Trump did. Since he can't imagine how it feels to be creeped out by a man he just assumed she was making it up or exaggerating. Tweety can be a real ass about stuff like that. I saw that debate and I was creeped out vicariously. Most men probably don't understand how that feels.

[bettyellen]

57. True- but even among people who respect HRC it seems that the "she's lying" thing is knee jerk...

I don't know if I can handle much more of this meme culture bullsht. Ugh!

[DeminPennswoods]

24. Wish she'd have said that too

‘Back up you creep, get away from me. I know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me, so back up.’”

You know what would have happened? Trump would have backed off and never bothered her again because that's the way bullies are. Once you stand up to them, they back right down and then respect you. For ex, when that female pastor in Det called Trump out, he completely deflated and became obediant.

[raccoon]

37. Don't remember that. Can you tell us about it or give a link? nt

[DeminPennswoods]

48. Here you go

[Sunlei]

15. I disliked the way the 'debates' were like a stage show with call outs to who was in the audience.

America is still that way thanks to a gove(R)nment that always values the American peoples best interests LAST.

I'm sorry Hillary shouldn't have let them do that to her. At the last second she should have asked for a table and chairs & ruined his "stage show". Ignored what he said and answer the questions, without using anything that Republican Party "debate" trained man said!

[FakeNoose]

29. That would have been a far better strategy

I think it was Bannon's idea for Trump to go hulking behind Hillary's back.

Hillary didn't have anyone in her campaign doing these one-up strategies that Bannon did for Trump.
And it really showed. She should have been meaner.

[Sunlei]

34. not 'meaner', just more professional and ignore the hulking republican. never mention his name

call him Sir or Donald and use the word Republican in place of 'trump' where ever possible.

[BainsBane]

39. All those details are arranged in advance

And are part of a contract. That you blame Hillary for his behavior is precisely the kind of shit that got that pig elected.

Those who voted for or excused that predator are responsible for his being in the White House. It is they who decided that sexual predation and White Supremacy should be the values of America, because those are their values. The same goes for those who voted for Stein or did some other ratfuck move. Trump is a mirror reflection of their souls, narcissistic and bigoted. They got the America they wanted. Every last death, every last family ripped apart by immigration raids, and every last victim of hate crime is on them. Not that they care. Narcissists never do.

[Sunlei]

45. I love Hillary Clinton. Republican party colluded with Russia and hurt our Democracy.

Ds have to learn to adapt FASTER to RW 'nasty' tactics like bills old girl friends in the audience and Republicans creep-nazi hulking over Hillary.

[milestogo]

16. "Nobody loves women more than I do".

[StevieM]

18. I still think she ran a great campaign. And she had the race won--decisively--until 11 days before

the election. Then the FBI intervened to rig the whole thing for Trump.

It sickens me to hear people defend James Comey. In his own way, he is as bad as Trump.

[lunamagica]

61. It completely baffles and disgusts me when I see posts praising Comey. Just today there was a thread

praising him. How soon how easily they forget that he is one of the biggest reasons we are living this nightmare now?

[StevieM]

74. Maybe this is how dictatorships begin.

An undemocratic movement succeeds in suspending the norms of liberal democracy. They win what can best be called a hybrid system election--not fully democratic. Then the plotters turn on each other, for whatever the reason.

The people side with the guy who is less extreme and make him out to be a true patriot. Kind of like Danton and Robespierre during the French Revolution. That validates the original behavior and makes it OK to do comparable things in the future.

If what Comey did in 2016 was OK then that means it can be done again, in some form, by a future FBI director. And rest assured, it will be.

Christopher Wray seems like a pretty scary guy too.

[lunamagica]

79. Great analysis, and so frightening

[nini]

19. That tactic is what convinced me Trump was a dangerous dangerous man

That creeeps me out to this day.

I don't know how she kept her cool.

[FakeNoose]

30. I'm pretty sure that was Bannon's idea

It seems like it, now that we know more about the guy.

[BainsBane]

40. Trump is fully capable of devising cruel stunts himself

He is the one who sexually assaulted all those women. Bannon doesn't don't tell him to do that.

[TryLogic]

25. My skin crawled when Trump moved near her, and I'm a male.

[INdemo]

26. Got news for you Hillary ..you didnt lose this election

it was stolen by vote flipping. Too many obvious irregularities that have come to light especially in the battle ground states like Mich,PA,Wisc. where it was just too damn suspicious that something was going down....
Why didnt the Democratic leadership expose this,fear of a revolution,dont know?
The Russian interference was also a major factor and there was more to the hacking than just putting out phony accusations or hacking emails....
Oh yes..and silencing of Democratic Underground where there were thousands of intelligent Democrats that would have caught the obvious election theft as it was happening right before our eyes.

[Sunlei]

46. I won't be satisfied with Republican party tossing just trump under the Russian collusion bus.

IMO the entire Republican party attacked Americas democracy, & some of the slimier Republican terrorists in those key states outright cheated/flipped/canceled votes somehow.

[MrsCoffee]

33. And yet she remained as poised as ever.

My President.

[Gothmog]

36. Trump is a low life grifter who is very creepy

[dalton99a]

38. "When she walked in front of me, believe me, I wasn't impressed"

And then, 53% of white women voted for the piece of shit

[BainsBane]

43. And 63% of white men

That doesn't even count the fascist shit stains who voted for Stein, which was in effect and by design a vote for Trump.

[dalton99a]

44. +1

[riversedge]

49. I shake my head.

[6000eliot]

41. My skin crawled when he was elected.

It's still crawling.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Me too!

[demmiblue]

42. It still creeps me out thinking about it. n/t

[3catwoman3]

47. Just seeing pictures of him...

...makes MY skin crawl. If I were even in the same room, let alone having him skulk around behind me, I'd probably hurl.

He has no redeeming qualities. None. At. All.

[Bradshaw3]

52. Being male I can't know how a woman feels

in this situation but I did know exactly what drumpf was doing and it made my blood boil. Just bullying, proto rapist behavior and it was disgusting.

[lunamagica]

62. This just shows how calm and composed she is

Well done, Madam President.

[DeminPennswoods]

64. otoh

maybe she shouldn't have said anything, just quickly backed up a couple feet and given him an elbow in the family jewels...

[Sunlei]

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MUCH LOVE HILLARY CLINTON

[milestogo]

78. That should be the title of a song.

My skin crawled when the creep stood near me.

[xxqqqzme]

83. Too bad she didn't follow her

instincts and confront the sexist ass. It might have made a difference with the 53% white women vote.