Confederate group requests to hold rally at Lee statue in Richmond

[highplainsdem]

Source: The Hill

A Confederate heritage group has requested to hold a rally at a Confederate statue in Richmond, Va. next month.

The Americans for Richmond Monument Preservation have requested permission from the state of Virginia to hold a an event at a monument of Robert E. Lee on Sept. 16, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported.

The event would take place just more than a month after this weekend’s violent rally in Charlottesville, Va., which centered around another statue of Lee.

Virginia’s Department of General Services received a request from the group and are now reviewing the application, an agency spokeswoman told the Times-Dispatch. She said that a former commander of the Virginia chapter of Sons of Confederate Veterans filed the application.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346445-confederate-group-requests-to-hold-rally-at-virginia

[DK504]

1. They had damn well deny the permit.

If the Nazis whine tell them to STFU.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

6. On what grounds?

This again:

[KRISITNA]

8. When they show up with guns, that is not peaceful

[Gore1FL]

9. On the grounds that the park will be in use that day disassembling the monuments.

It would be unsafe to have people around the heavy equipment needed to demolish the blight.

[oneshooter]

14. Would you also support the destruction of Confederate graves.

After all they are a"blight".

[SweetieD]

16. There shouldn't even be confederate grave cemeteries so yes I would support that

Are there cemeteries dedicated to confederate solidiers? I honestly don't know. If they are being paid for by and/or supported in some way by federal or local tax dollars, then they either need to private funding, or be destroyed, or be moved to a private plot.

If you want to honor the confederacy with your own money and on your own property, go for it. But there should be no public monument to it.

All confederate leaders should have been brought to whatever their home town was and then executed in a public square; any major general or leader (like Robert E. Lee) should have been brought to Washington DC and hung there; their family should have been forced into exile outside of the United States;and ALL lands and property in the south should have been seized and redistributed to ex-slaves and Union soldiers. These are all tactics that would have been customary at the time in Europe.

Instead, the government allowed these confederate soldiers and sympathizers to slink back to where they lived, take positions of political power, and keep the dream of a Confederate south alive in their children. And look where we are today. There should have been no compromise.

[kwassa]

19. The federal government spends millions for Confederate tombstones.

But even most Civil War experts don't realize the federal government has spent more than $2 million in the past decade to produce and ship headstones honoring Confederate dead, often at the request of local Confederate heritage groups in the South, and overwhelmingly in Georgia. Going back to at least 2002, the government has provided more headstones for Confederate graves than for Union soldiers' graves. In that time, the Department of Veterans Affairs has provided approximately 33,000 headstones for veterans of the Civil War. Sixty percent of those have been for Confederate soldiers.

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But they—we, our federal government—do provide headstones for Confederate dead all over the country: 18,593 of them in the last 10 years, and an average of more than 2,000 per year going back at least several years before that, according to the VA. At an average cost of around $176 to manufacture each headstone, and an average shipping cost of $75, that's more than half a million dollars every year. (The total cost over the last 10 years is lower due to inflation: In 2003, the VA told me manufacturing was closer $100 per headstone, and shipping was around $10.) By far the lion's share of these headstones are for graves in Southern states and for a number of years, Georgia had more than twice as many orders as any other state.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/government-spending-confederate-graves/277931/

[oneshooter]

20. Then you would also support the bulldozing of WW2 German graves in the US.

They were POW's that died in the camps here in the US.

[SweetieD]

21. I don't care what happens to the remains of dead confederates or nazis but it sounds like you do.

Feel free to bury them on your property.

[oneshooter]

25. Yet you have stated that you would support the desecration of Confederate and German graves

#16 "There shouldn't even be confederate grave cemeteries so yes I would support that"

[SweetieD]

26. I went on to clarify that if people want private cemeteries they can pay

for it themselves. No public money should go to this. I don't care if they are bulldozed or if rupert Murdoch (anyone who rich) wants to buy every confederate cemetery so they are honored. These people's remains mean nothing to me.

Again you seem like you have some sympathy for these folks maybe they are your people but they are not mine. My folks were enslaved by this system. My people are buried in unmarked graves all over the south. If it was good enough for them, it is good enough for confederates.

[FSogol]

23. Would you support roasting llamas and providing them as a mandatory waffle toppings?

Seriously dude, no one has suggested any of the things you are suggesting.

[oneshooter]

24. No, but there are people who support it.

And that says a lot about the "democrats" here.

[FSogol]

29. Nazis attack Charlottesville and you complain about the Democrats.

[geek tragedy]

18. holy false equivalence, Batman!

There are no monuments to Hitler in Germany, there should be no monuments to Confederate scum in the United States.

Of course the dead should remain in their graves. But absolutely no glorification of the evil that was the Confederacy above ground.

[Gore1FL]

22. Are they a blight? Everyone dies. I see no reason to destroy grave sites.

I am more concerned with monuments on public property that honor traitors.

[ExciteBike66]

28. This type of argument is currently in vogue on the right

against those who want to tear down statues of Robert E. Lee and other Confederate leaders and soldiers.

I find it interesting you choose to deploy it here.

[SweetieD]

11. On the same grounds they would deny ISIS a permit if requested. Nazis and KKK have killed more

Americans than ISIS or Hezbelloah or al queda. These southern places would never grant an Islamic terrorist group a permit to publicly speak.

[apnu]

17. Nah, let them rally. It will be a shitshow like all the others. The bad press will destroy them.

These guy's can't have a rally and it not be a total clusterfuck. Every time the world sees the clusterfuck it recoils and they diminish. Especially since people on Twitter are outing the Nazi scum and getting them fired and otherwise publicly shamed for their terrorism.

The more they speak the more they harm themselves. Give them all the rope they want.

Let them have their 1A time, and let everybody else have their 1A time to shout down these assholes.

[johnp3907]

2. Deny.

Tell them "You lost. We won."

[PearliePoo2]

3. Is the city of Richmond prepared for the violence, blood and carnage?

Because it will surely come.

[underpants]

4. Monument Ave and North Allen Ave

When I moved to Richmond in the early 90's there was an open prostitution area between the monument and Broad St. the city literally said they could stay in that one block area but don't wonder anywhere else.

The Lee monument was also where the PROwar demonstrators followed us (my wife and I) after the anti-war demonstration in Monroe park a few blocks away. They were screaming and yelling but the cops stepped in and said "you can stay here but that's it". I walked over and started handing out DD4 enlistment forms. One of the cops started cracking up. He was a vet and I informed him very loudly that I'd served too.

[obamanut2012]

13. Yeah, the Richmond cops can handle the Nazis

Will be... interesting if the Crips show up, too.

[marylandblue]

5. I think they will have to allow it

But I bet there will be a large police presence.

[KRISITNA]

7. If they allow it as soon as those fuckers show up with guns--end it!

[jpak]

10. They should take sown the monument BEFORE they permit the rally

and watch 'em cry

[mahatmakanejeeves]

15. "They" can't. It's the law:

§ 15.2-1812

Memorials for war veterans

A locality may, within the geographical limits of the locality, authorize and permit the erection of monuments or memorials for any war or conflict, or for any engagement of such war or conflict, to include the following monuments or memorials: Algonquin (1622), French and Indian (1754-1763), Revolutionary (1775-1783), War of 1812 (1812-1815), Mexican (1846-1848), Confederate or Union monuments or memorials of the War Between the States (1861-1865), Spanish-American (1898), World War I (1917-1918), World War II (1941-1945), Korean (1950-1953), Vietnam (1965-1973), Operation Desert Shield-Desert Storm (1990-1991), Global War on Terrorism (2000- ), Operation Enduring Freedom (2001- ), and Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003- ). If such are erected, it shall be unlawful for the authorities of the locality, or any other person or persons, to disturb or interfere with any monuments or memorials so erected, or to prevent its citizens from taking proper measures and exercising proper means for the protection, preservation and care of same. For purposes of this section, “disturb or interfere with” includes removal of, damaging or defacing monuments or memorials, or, in the case of the War Between the States, the placement of Union markings or monuments on previously designated Confederate memorials or the placement of Confederate markings or monuments on previously designated Union memorials. The governing body may appropriate a sufficient sum of money out of its funds to complete or aid in the erection of monuments or memorials to the veterans of such wars. The governing body may also make a special levy to raise the money necessary for the erection or completion of any such monuments or memorials, or to supplement the funds already raised or that may be raised by private persons, Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion or other organizations. It may also appropriate, out of any funds of such locality, a sufficient sum of money to permanently care for, protect and preserve such monuments or memorials and may expend the same thereafter as other funds are expended.

History

Code 1950, § 15-696; 1962, c. 623, § 15.1-270; 1982, c. 19; 1988, c. 284; 1997, c. 587; 1998, c. 752; 2005, c. 390; 2010, c. 860.

Monument Avenue

[grantcart]

27. they should with hold all NCAA games in VA until all Confederate statues are removed

they would be gone in a week.

[obamanut2012]

12. This should be good -- Richmond is over 50% black

And, there are also so actual gangs there, like the Crips and Vice 77. Plus, Richmond city is as diverse and progressive as Charlottesville, and also has a rather large antifa group.

And, unlike the Cville cops, the Richmond cops can handle the Nazis. Plus, the Gov's mansion is downtown, and two VCU college campuses, and the VCU cops are more experienced in this stuff than the UVA PD.

[ExciteBike66]

30. I am all for any gathering that draws attention to the fact that

we still have Confederate monuments in this country.

If they invite the Nazis, all the better. It will hasten the demise of said monuments...