Dem donors buzzing about Kamala Harris

[DonViejo]

Source: The Hill




BY AMIE PARNES - 07/18/17 06:00 AM EDT

The Democratic donor class is abuzz about Kamala Harris after the freshman California senator was feted this weekend at an event in the Hamptons surrounded by top fundraisers.

The Bridgehampton event, where Harris mingled with top donors and supporters of Hillary Clinton, was the ultimate signal that Harris is “thinking much bigger” than the Senate, one top bundler said. “She’s running for president. Take it to the bank,” another fundraiser said. “She’s absolutely going to run.”

Donors say Harris is giving them a glimmer of hope when they need it the most. They see the former prosecutor-turned-California attorney general as embodying the qualities a Democratic presidential candidate would need to win the White House in 2020.

They also see the 52-year-old African-American woman as a fresh face.

“There’s a big hunger out there for somebody new and different,” said Bill Carrick, a Democratic consultant who served as an adviser to former Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.), who challenged Harris in last year’s senatorial race.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/342431-dem-donors-buzzing-about-kamala-harris

[Wounded Bear]

1. I certainly would not vote against her in the general...

[appal_jack]

68. She'd have mine too, but Second Amendment concerns are an issue here.

Harris has showed her competence and political chops in many ways, especially in the recent questioning of Jeff Sessions. I would definitely vote for her for reasons involving women's rights, and a host of other issues where she is head and shoulders above the present orange shitgibbon SCROTUS.

However, Harris' record on Second Amendment rights is quite hostile. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/us/second-amendment-concealed-carry.html
for an example.

This is a real matter for those of us outside of the large, coastal cities. Flame-away if you'd like, but it's reality.

Democrats could do a lot worse than her though. I'm just not sure that I could convince my neighbors to vote her way in 2020. Could Harris conceivably 'evolve' on Second Amendment issues between now and then? After all, the White House is a long way from California...

-app

[maxsolomon]

70. she's never going to get the Gunner vote, she's always going to earn Gun Lobby attacks; she's a Dem.

from your linked article, the only mention of Harris: <Kamala Harris, the state attorney general who asked the full court to reconsider the decision by the three-judge panel, said the ruling “ensures that local law enforcement leaders have the tools they need to protect public safety by determining who can carry loaded, concealed weapons in our communities.”>

OMG, what a radical.

single-issue voting on the 2nd amendment is as regressive as voting GOP because of abortion. no one's taking your guns, just like no one's aborting your fetus.

[ansible]

84. Her support of the ban on ownership of magazines over 10 rounds is going to be NRA fuel

[maxsolomon]

91. name a dem whose gun positions the NRA will NOT attack

the Gun Lobby are hysterics, poisoning rational debate.

show me a squote where Harris advocates a 10-round magazine limit. can you do it without linking to a Gunner site?

[appal_jack]

93. It's the law of the land in California.

She was the Cali AG. Can you show me a quote where she opposes the (absurd) 10-round magazine limit?

Plenty of Dems and progressives are viewed as better on 2A issues than Harris: Jon Tester of MT, Bernie Sanders of VT, Kirsten Gillibrand of NY, just to name three.

I'm not saying that we need to nominate an NRA Board Member, but writing-off all gun owners who might own a magazine with 12 rounds (the beautiful and historic 60+ year old Ishapore Enfield Bolt action rifle, for example) strikes me as foolish.

-app

[maxsolomon]

95. so you can't, then.

and on your Gunner minutae. the Suede/Denim Secret Police aren't coming for your beautiful firearm.

Lets just agree on nominating Kirsten Gillebrand.

[appal_jack]

98. Harris is verifiably coming for peoples' firearms.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-harris-supports-closing-assault-weapons-ban-loophole-160114-story.html

Title: "Kamala Harris backs closing loophole in California assault weapons ban."

Note, the article describes complying with the California assault weapons ban as a "Loophole."

Some small excerpts:

"Harris supports a second bill, Assembly Bill 1663, that would ban bullet-button guns and require current owners of guns with bullet-buttons to register them as assault rifles."

"“The devastation wrought by gun violence on innocent victims, children and families in this country, is an international embarrassment,” Harris said in a statement. “This is a common-sense solution that closes a dangerous loophole in California’s assault weapons ban.”"

Even Democratic Governor Jerry Brown found Harris' approach too extreme:
"A bill vetoed by Gov. Jerry Brown three years ago was much broader -- not only barring semi-automatic rifles with magazines that were detachable by any means, but also requiring owners to register some low-capacity rifles as assault weapons.

That bill is similar to the new AB 1663.

In his veto message, the governor wrote that he didn't "believe that this bill's blanket ban on semi-automatic rifles would reduce criminal activity or enhance public safety enough to warrant this infringement on gun owners' rights.""

You'll note the absence of any comment by Harris on the existing 10-round magazine limit. In this case, silence is absolutely consent. Of course she supports it!

Look, I'm not a single issue voter, so I could pull the lever (or fill in the scantron in my case) for Harris, no problem. But I can't convince many neighbors to do so.

-app

[maxsolomon]

117. thanks for digging those up - those quotes seem pretty standard-issue.

i stand by my original assertion: the NRA will attack any Dem, even Kirsten Gillebrand. and their rhetoric will be over-the-top hysterics.

BTW, your neighbors will find another excuse to vote GOP, like Abortion.

[Fresh_Start]

2. I'd vote for her again! nt

nt

[MFM008]

3. I like her

!!!

[hibbing]

4. She's a figther, that's for sure n/t

[vi5]

5. Kamala is great....

..that being said, I cringe at the concept and implications of a "Democratic donor class". I'm not naive, but that doesn't mean I have to like it so blatantly phrased.

[bettyellen]

7. It's the Hill- they've been trying to stoke division in Dems for a while. Fuck em.

[m-lekktor]

13. That division is already very apparent it doesn't need much stoking.

You might not see it here at DU since pretty much only one side of the divide posts here anymore but it is out there and BLATANT.

[bettyellen]

14. I see it all over Twitter with the "never Hillarys"

Attacking Joy Reid, Beyoncé, Kamala and never Lawrence OD, Biden or white men. Seems like they have serious "identity" issues to me.

[regnaD kciN]

28. Thanks for admitting the obvious...

...that "one side" has been driven out of DU.

[zipplewrath]

32. Dunno about drive out

But they are "in hiding".

[m-lekktor]

64. Yeah, it was the side I am on. nt

[emulatorloo]

85. Oh yeah, the side who loved posting RW sources like Fox, Moonie Times, Breitbart and

slobbering over every word by rightwing hack Joe DiGenova as if it were the gospel truth.

No website was too vile or egregious to post at DU as long as it smeared Democrats.

Those folks were not so much "driven away", they exiled themselves while declaring how 'oppressed' they were because other DU'ers pushed back on the lies they spread.

They ran away to their safe spaces.

I am truly sorry you miss them so badly.

If you need a steady diet of unchallenged rightwing CT spouted by alleged 'progressives', let me recommend wayofthebern at Reddit.

[BlueMTexpat]

19. +1! eom

[Hekate]

22. Kind of an unrealistic attitude. I only know my relatively small region outside Los Angeles...

...but there's some serious money here in the top echelons -- and that includes people who are solid Democrats and looking to spread the money around. Bill Clinton came out when he ran for President, and again after he won. He gave a great speech to those of us in the masses, too, and I got to shake his hand.

My donations are small. I gave several hundred bucks to Hillary's campaign. I'm in the volunteer clas, not the donor class. My impulse regarding Democrats who can afford to give a lot more is to say "Thank You," because you know, they don't have to.

[elleng]

49. I agree.

[Raster]

6. I like her and would support her wholeheartedly...

...and would ABSOLUTELY LOVE seeing the racist old white man contingent in Congress shit their pants.

Yes, Madam President.

[barbtries]

8. i would support her.

She's young, smart, unafraid. A Democrat!

[TeamPooka]

9. My Senator will make a great President!

[Aristus]

10. The Republican Hate Machine had 30 years to try to discredit Hillary Clinton.

With Harris, they have 3 and a half. That may not be enough time. If we can get the Bernie-bots to pull their heads out and go vote in 2020, we may have a chance. But they're already murmuring: "But she and Hillary..."

[Amimnoch]

21. *crunch* *crunch* *crunch*

[obamanut2012]

72. The BoBers won't vote for her, ever

I, however, think she would make a terrific President.

[leon8822]

11. To early

I like Senator Harris a lot but I just think it's to early for her to run for President in 2020. Plus I think the democrats need to pay attention to Governors next time around.

[luvtheGWN]

12. Just wondering.....

Did you say the same thing when you first heard that Obama was thinking of running for President? I know other folks did. And it turned out pretty well, didn't it? Harris has a lot of government experience, albeit in California.

[leon8822]

16. Actually I did in fact I was saying during there primary he should be Hillary's VP

then after Hillary's 8 year term he would be ready but I had no idea he would beat her in the primary. But you do have a point politics is unpredictable she could be the favorite in a primary unlress Gavin Newsom

[zipplewrath]

33. Andrew Young

Andrew Young said Obama would make a great president.... in 2016. After of course 8 years of Hillary.

I've thought more than once that he was right.

[murielm99]

36. You posted what I would have posted.

I knew Obama would be our nominee as far back as 2004. The party knew what they had and brought him along.

Harris is good. One of the good things about her is her lack of baggage.

I am going to fight back if she gets trolled here.

[byronius]

15. Uhhh, she's the Best of the Best of the Best.

We'd be lucky to get that lucky.

[Binkie The Clown]

17. She'd have my vote in an instant. n/t

[YOHABLO]

18. I am impressed by her. She's one tough individual and very smart.

[Duppers]

20. She'd have my vote!! nt

[Stuckinthebush]

23. As a member of the Democratic Donor Class...

I approve.

How about all of you other members of the donor class? I give money to Dems. Doesn't that make me part of the class?

[zipplewrath]

34. Not even close

Are you a "bundler"?

[Stuckinthebush]

67. I know

I just hate that term. Donor class.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

41. I get mailings and emails asking for reasonably small donations. And sometimes, I give.

The "Donor Class" gets invited to mega-buck-a-plate fundraiser dinners. And they give, bigly and repeatedly.

No, I don't think I'm in the Donor class. Not even close.

[riversedge]

24. Harris will need to ramp up her name recognition (new PPPoll today)....

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/342521-poll-trump-trails-behind-high-profile-dems-in-hypothetical-matchups


Poll: Trump trails Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Booker in matchups
By Max Greenwood - 07/18/17 11:54 AM EDT



Dem donors buzzing about Kamala Harris


President Trump trails former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and three Democratic senators in a new poll from a Democratic firm testing possible 2020 matchups.

The survey of registered voters, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found Trump trailing by wide margins against Sanders — 52 percent to 39 percent — and Biden — 54 percent to 39 percent.

The poll also found Trump losing in hypothetical matchups against Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), although by smaller margins.

Trump trails Warren by 7 points, 42 percent to 49 percent; Booker by 5 points, 40 percent to 45 percent; and Harris by 1 point, 40 percent to 41 percent. ....

Link to tweet

[BannonsLiver]

26. A helluva good starting point. She's been in the senate for 6 months.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. not just donor class

[angrychair]

27. Positive so far

I have to hear more from her but I like what hear so far. Glad to see we are expanding our options if nothing else.

[IronLionZion]

29. Hell Yeah!

And she can win! Trump/Pence need to lose in a big way to someone like Senator Harris.



Trump might try the birther nonsense again.

[tiredtoo]

30. Not sure if this is accurate but

I believe i counted 3 posts on this thread bashing Bernie supporters. How is this going to bring us together? I am sure corrections will be posted and they will be accepted.

[zipplewrath]

35. About right

I even thought about alerting on one but didn't really see the point.

[murielm99]

37. This thread is not about Bernie.

It is about Harris. Let it go.

[tiredtoo]

45. Pray tell

Why was Bernie mentioned 3 times in negative posts?

[Old Vet]

74. Lets be clear, I dont have a dog in this discussion about Sanders BUT.......

IMHO Bernie will be a major player in the next democratic election. If he were to run it would change everything for people who want young new ideas, Although I would want his support. Its just to early still, What if Biden runs? IMO the only person (Biden) who could deal with the barrage of nasty, ugly, personal insults Trump will be throwing at the next challenger.

[murielm99]

75. Neither Biden nor Bernie should run.

They are too old.

Biden's advice and help should be welcomed. Candidates he supports get elected. He has a fine track record as a Democrat.

[adigal]

113. Such ageism!!! So you think a person who has been Sen for 6 months is better qualified than old,

decripit Biden?
Ageism - the only ism still celebrated by supposedly progressive Dems.

[murielm99]

114. You mean someone like Obama?

He was in the Senate for how long? And where did I say anything about a better qualified person who had served for six months? Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Ageism? I turned 69 five days ago. Yeah, I hate old people.

[David__77]

77. I think Biden would do quite well.

...

[liquid diamond]

103. Sanders will not run for president again.

[emulatorloo]

87. Saw mentions of BoBs. There are no BoBs on DU, and BoB's are Bernie Detractors (not supporters)

I personally do not consider BoB's genuine Sanders supporters, as some of them ignored and vilified Bernie. Many on Reddit said they voted for Trump, which is totally against Bernie stands for. Bernie wanted a Democrat in the White House. They aren't Bernie supporters because they detract from Bernie's message.

[NBachers]

31. I voted for her in the San Francisco and California elections, I will continue to vote for her

Every time.

I want a black San Francisco liberal woman as president.

[Blue_Tires]

38. Leftbros on Twitter are losing their shit

It's clear they're going to piss on any promising Dem candidate who doesn't have Bernie's official blessing....

[tiredtoo]

46. That makes it 4 EOM

[Blue_Tires]

54. Just calling it as I see it...

But you keep on counting if it makes you happy.

[tiredtoo]

59. Actually it makes me sad

United we stand Divided we fall.

[Blue_Tires]

62. but remember that unity goes both ways

folks gotta show some if they want to get some

[tiredtoo]

106. Last year in Michigan

I worked as hard as i could for Bernie. When it became evident Hillary was the Democratic candidate, I worked as hard as I could for Hillary.

[LanternWaste]

78. I get the common theme... unity is when everyone agrees kneels before my sacred cows. Division is wh

Demanding unity is a piss-poor substitute for working for equality. One is a bumper sticker, the other you'll have to sweat.

But I get the common theme... unity is when everyone agrees kneels before my sacred cows. Division is when they choose not to, regardless of whether that causes the irrelevance of sadness or not.

[liquid diamond]

104. We democrats are not going to beg bernie supporters

to back our candidate.

[tiredtoo]

105. Divisive post

should be removed.

[Sunlei]

115. never forget it is a Republican tactic to pretend they are 'fans' & attack Ds. Twitter makes it easy

and plenty of people help spread that shit for them!

[Skittles]

116. fuck them

sick to death of them

[Hortensis]

39. She identifies as "black?" Why did I not know/remember that?

Lol. Whatever. If she becomes a viable contender in the primary, I will regard her as our second genuinely serious attempt to elect a woman POTUS. Second minority's a lagging plus (black men had the vote a half century before women of any background), and 52's nice also.

[yallerdawg]

42. Just to be clear:

A lifelong public safety and civil rights leader, U.S. Senator Kamala D. Harris was the first African-American and first woman to serve as Attorney General of California and the second African-American woman to be elected to the United States Senate in history.

http://www.harris.senate.gov/

[Hortensis]

44. Sure. I was born and raised in typically diverse

California societies and spent my first few decades as a California voter. This is a big deal to some; but very often it's whitey-white society, novels, etc., that looks weird, "off," sends up "what's wrong with this picture... Oh!" signals to me.

[chia]

40. I voted for her once, I'll vote for her again

Tough, smart and unafraid.

[bigworld]

43. Personally I'd love to see a Biden / Harris ticket.

My God, can you imagine the electoral college numbers?

[Hekate]

63. I can imagine Biden being bashed from all sides here, plus the MSM resurrecting "gaffe machine"

Sadly, that is what I imagine happening to Uncle Joe. Joe Biden made an outstanding VP, none better in my lifetime. People will love him right up until he runs for president.

I love the guy -- but I've had DUers with unforgiving memories dredge up things I surely had forgotten. I love the guy -- but he missed out on running for POTUS one last time when his son died, and he has some health issues of his own in the background.

[maxsolomon]

92. Joe Biden is 74 now

He will be 77 in 2020. He's not running.

Stop putting forth candidates that are older than the oldest man-baby ever elected POTUS.

Go ahead, call me Ageist.

[elleng]

47. Looks fine to me. She is NOT African-American, so The Hill should get it right.

Kamala Devi Harris (/ˈkɑːməleɪ/, KAH-m-luh;[8]) was born on October 20, 1964 in Oakland, California. She is the daughter of a Tamil Indian mother, Dr. Shyamala Gopalan Harris (1938–2009), a breast cancer researcher who emigrated from Chennai, India, in 1960,[9][10] and a Jamaican-American father, Donald Harris, a Stanford University economics professor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

[yallerdawg]

48. Except...

she identifies as African-American.

https://www.harris.senate.gov/content/about-kamala

[elleng]

50. That's interesting,

and likely will confuse some.

[elleng]

52. also

'Shyamala raised her daughters in Berkeley, where the family lived in a predominantly African-American neighborhood and where the girls sang in a Baptist choir,[14] and they were also raised with Hindu beliefs.[19] Her mother eventually moved the family to Montreal, Quebec, Canada, where Shyamala took a position doing research at the Jewish General Hospital and teaching at McGill University.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

Fascinating family! Happy to have her 'around!'

[yallerdawg]

55. Even more diverse than Obama!

The 'great melting pot' continues!

Another tradition continues - in America, we get to be who we want to be!

[elleng]

56. Yes indeed!

If only 'others' would appreciate it as we do!

[Lotusflower70]

53. Ah yeah!

I would totally be down with that. I would campaign for her and vote for her. The GOP would collectively lose their shit if a woman of color ran. It would be glorious. I love her.

[NCDem777]

57. The big question is whether or not she's anti-interventionism

Dems who want to use the military as worldwide babysitters have no chance even against Trump.

We have to win back the anti-war vote. And stick to being anti-war even when we hold power.

[David__77]

80. I agree with your basic perspective.

At the same time, I think plenty of anti-war voters voted Democratic in 2016. I will say that, from my perspective, the lines between "pro-war" and "anti-war" were less clear.

[Mosby]

81. Liberals traditionally have supported nation building/interventionism

The isolationist attitude among many liberals/progressives is a recent development.

[NCDem777]

97. I don't think it's isolationist

to not want to get involved in every minor civil war or to not want to use the military to try and fail to resolve generational conflicts among people who have zero interest in resolving them (see: Iraq).

We have problems HERE that need resolving.

[joshcryer]

83. We elected a guy who wanted to end NATO.

And after a few board room meetings with top generals, the MIC, and such, he decided to keep NATO around after all.

Hell, before that, we elected Obama, someone who was staunchly against the Iraq invasion. Somehow, after he got into office, he became the drone king, and led several interventions himself.

The MIC is real.

[sellitman]

58. She is a winner

I'd love to campaign for her. A win by her would be as emotional for this country as Obama winning .

Plus the pasty old white men in the GOP would freak. Bonus!

[BlueStater]

60. I'd kind of like someone with more experience and accomplishments.

[Hekate]

61. That's what I said about Senator Obama, and look how that turned out.

Kamala already has an excellent resume in California, you know.

[LiberalLovinLug]

65. Her or Adam Schiff

There are a few good people ready to take over the reigns. We need new blood.

[Starry Messenger]

66. I absolutely love her and I am not donor class, lol

[obamanut2012]

73. Quit being modest

[BrooklynTech]

69. We Have Several Good Looking Candidates For 2020

I'm not going to name any, except to say that Kamala Harris would make a very attractive candidate. We're still three years out, so I'm not supporting any one candidate just yet. But Kamala Harris will certainly be on my short list when primary season rolls around (should she choose to run).

I just hope the country can hang on until 2020.

[obamanut2012]

71. She is terrific -- I would GOTV for her

[yurbud]

76. if the "donor class" gives directions as well as money, she will go the way of Hillary

[emulatorloo]

86. More likely the gullible BoB's will give her the knee-jerk Hillary Smear Treatment.

and try to poison the well against Democrats.

Then we'll all need to vote our "conscience" by allowing Mike Pence to kill off the elderly, disabled, minorities, and the poor that Donald Trump didn't manage to kill during his time as President.

It has already started in the bowels of Reddit. Won't repeat verbatim what I read because it was really vile. Basically along the lines of she had sex with corporations to get where she is.

Fwiw, The hill likes to stir the pot.

[yurbud]

88. BoB's? translation?

[emulatorloo]

89. BernieOrBusters

IMHO they aren't genuinely Sanders supporters as they didn't listen to Bernie in the end. Bernie wanted a Democrat in the White House. They did not care. Some of them even vilified Bernie and called him a sell out. (I lurk at Reddit and this is what I see.) Definitely are no BoB's at DU, we are all too sane.

[yurbud]

90. you over-estimate the loyalty to individual people. People wanted Bernie because his record

showed he would support the kind of policies we need.

If he went corporate the way of Howard Dean, his support would evaporate.

There are pols that I consider genial people and might be friends with if we were next door neighbors, but based on their track record and who they take money from, I would never vote for them, in a primary at least.

[emulatorloo]

94. similar here, I always support the candidate with solid left positions in the primary

Then get behind the nominee for the general.

It is weird, my impression of Dean back then was that he was a slightly left of center Dem. AT DU, it was sorta like he was a movie screen some people projected all sorts of liberal/progressive positions on him that he may not have actually held. Anyway lots of water under the bridge since then.

[yurbud]

96. what was attractive about Dean was he didn't appear to be owned

He still spoke like a human being and acknowledged reality on a lot of issues even if I didn't agree with 100% of his positions.

Many other people go to Washington, and however progressive they are on some issues, they are paid not to acknowledge reality on a lot of crucial topics.

And so when you ask them a straight question, they try to gaslight you or pretend they didn't understand the question.

That's most blatant with issues like global warming and the GOP, but it is also true on any number of other issues, like SS where even a lot of Democrats talk like there's a big crisis coming, but their only solution is to reduce benefits rather than tweak the tax up a bit. And they also fail to say the obvious (but necessary) truth that it's the only part of the federal budget that has to be pre-funded and has it's own dedicated tax.

If we did the DoD like that, we'd never have a war.

[David__77]

79. Based on what information I have, she might be a great candidate.

One question mark for me is on her foreign policy perspectives. I'd hope that she is not more interventionist than Obama, and preferably more aligned with those who were opposed to the US conducting "regime change" and also "no fly zone" in Syria, for instance.

[Mosby]

82. Her policy positions

https://kamalaharris.org/issues/foreign-policy-military-veterans/

Pretty light on specifics.

You know our delay to commit to a Syrian policy is why Russia and Turkey are now going to have a permanent presence in Syria. Iran is bringing in shia settlers to resettle sunni towns that were abandoned and Hezbollah is setting up on the Israeli border.

When we don't act, others will.

[RandySF]

101. San Franciscan here, and I'm not yet sold.

She's very smart and a great campaigner, but is usually pre-occupied with getting herself in front of the cameras. She did yeoman's work as Attorney General but I am not convinced she's ready yet for the OVal Office. But then, I wasn't sure Obama was ready when he announced.

WHOEVER replaces Trump is going to have a shit-ton of work cleaning up the mess the asshole is going to leave behind. Biden may be a bit old at this point, but maybe we need him in the White House for one term to get everything back in order.

[yurbud]

109. It depends on what kind of order you want. The critical work Democrats have to do is prove...

they won't just restore the status quo before Trump, which still let Wall Street pick their own regulators, dictate foreign, economic policy, and budget priorities, and commit crimes with impunity that harmed hundreds of millions of people.

I don't trust Harris after she let Mnuchin off the hook, but there would at least be a chance she would do things differently compared to a long time insider like Biden, whose base is Delaware credit card companies, whose state was declared the best for "economic freedom" by the right wing NewsMax.

[RandySF]

110. When someone walks in and trashes the place, you still have the basic task of clean-up.

Orange Julius publicly attacked South Korea after Kim tested another nuclear device. That mess has to be cleaned up. The EPA attacked a journalist after asking why they wen't doing their job. That shit also has to be cleaned up. Trump and his clown car are breaking the basic levers of government, so yeah, we may need four years of getting back to where we were under Obama before we can move beyond that point.

[yurbud]

111. When your house burns down because you built out of wood in a brushfire prone area...

It's time to try stone.

And stop trying to find common ground with assholes who flick lit cigarettes into the tumbleweeds.

[annarbor]

102. How is this still LBN?

N/T

[WhoWoodaKnew]

107. Republican media is so good at what they do (hate) they'd tear her apart...

for a variety of reasons (since their watchers AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE RIGHT feed off of the hate). She better be ready for all the media idiots on the right. They'll be attacking her from a ton of different angles.

[nolabels]

108. The best way to keep your foes on the defensive is with a good offense

This person is a Doer and a thinker. A trait lacking in many of our politicians today.

The thing I notice and which seems smart to me is not following convention when not needed

[adigal]

112. Can we win in 2018 before we start to get excited about anyone?????????

I get that the Presidential race is shiny and sexy, but please...Dems. Let's win next year first.

(And there is no way a woman of color will win the Presidency. I said Hillary wouldn't win all the way through and I was right, and Sen. Harris has no chance in this crappy country. Mostly cause she is a woman.)

[Willie Pep]

118. It is probably best to wait a bit before putting somebody up as a 2020 contender.

I like Harris but pushing her too much too early makes her a target for smears. I would rather see her concentrate on doing her job as senator, which she is doing. This is a good example of jumping the gun.

Also, the whole donor class thing is a bit cringey and makes it look like she is being anointed by wealthy interests. I know that it is impossible to get money out of politics but it still looks bad especially to the progressive parts of the base.