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herding cats

(19,565 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 12:57 PM Jul 2017

Plan C on Obamacare, Repeal Now, Replace Later, Has Collapsed

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — With their bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act in tatters, Senate leaders on Tuesday pushed to vote on a different measure that would repeal major parts of President Barack Obama’s health law without a replacement — but that plan appeared also to collapse.

Republican Senators Susan Collins of Maine, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska immediately declared they could not vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act without a replacement — enough to doom the effort before it could get any momentum.

“I did not come to Washington to hurt people,” Ms. Capito said in a statement. “I cannot vote to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan that addresses my concerns and the needs of West Virginians.”

Senator Rob Portman of Ohio hinted strongly that he too would oppose it.

The collapse of the Senate Republican health bill — and the failing struggle to find yet another alternative —highlighted a harsh reality for Senate Republicans: While Republican senators freely assailed the health law while Mr. Obama occupied the White House, they have so far not been able to come up with a workable plan to unwind it that would keep both moderate Republicans and conservatives on board.

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Plan C on Obamacare, Repeal Now, Replace Later, Has Collapsed (Original Post) herding cats Jul 2017 OP
I did not come to Washington to hurt people, hibbing Jul 2017 #1
Your party ignores the will of the majority of onit2day Jul 2017 #19
If you are a republican, murielm99 Jul 2017 #20
Republicans Please quit your attempts to RUIN our ACA law 'regulated' insurance. IMPROVE ACA. Sunlei Jul 2017 #2
If they do that, Obama's skin will still be Black Submariner Jul 2017 #16
Now that's the truth. Thank you for keeping it real iluvtennis Jul 2017 #21
I can't handle all this winning. agtcovert Jul 2017 #3
Republicans - lark Jul 2017 #4
That's because most of them truly don't want healthcare for workers or poor. lark Jul 2017 #5
The first three names were women who voted NO to repeal, then replace. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #6
The rest of the GOP women should be joining them BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #9
Good, diversity should screw the Republicans IronLionZion Jul 2017 #10
Women, with blood coming out of their wherevers, HockeyMom Jul 2017 #7
At what pont will the Republicans throw McConnell overboard? nt avebury Jul 2017 #8
Hopefully there is a fetid vat of pig shit large enough to throw him in somewhere!! n/t Kleveland Jul 2017 #15
'Repeal and replace later' was designed to further sabotage the ACA. louis-t Jul 2017 #11
The biggest problem is they cannot merge their factions. herding cats Jul 2017 #13
And logical areas to join together in, you know, "compromise" just is never on the Repug agenda. LuckyLib Jul 2017 #22
My guess is the new plan is to have Trump cut off the funding like he has been threatening to do cstanleytech Jul 2017 #12
This is going to be bad for us in the long run Dopers_Greed Jul 2017 #14
Unbelievable ailsagirl Jul 2017 #17
McCain, I am talking to YOU! Is this why you had your surgery NOW and not LATER?! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #18

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
1. I did not come to Washington to hurt people,
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jul 2017

Uh..... it is what your party does. Perhaps you should rethink that.


Peace

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
19. Your party ignores the will of the majority of
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jul 2017

Americans who do not want Obamacare repealed. They want it fixed. Next is Medicare for all or single payer. Just ask the people not your paid supporters

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
20. If you are a republican,
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jul 2017

that is a lie.

It was not always this way. Before Gingrich, I used to have repubbie friends, and people I could get along with. Unless they tell me they are ashamed, I cannot be around them. It is sad. It is difficult. Our Civil War II has begun already.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
16. If they do that, Obama's skin will still be Black
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jul 2017

that is the enormous hurdle republicans have yet to overcome in this whole health care battle.

If only Obama was White, like Romney, who fashioned RomneyCare that is supported by the same republicans that hate it's twin brother (ACA) now.

lark

(23,105 posts)
5. That's because most of them truly don't want healthcare for workers or poor.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:18 PM
Jul 2017

They don't want to spend $ on them. Instead, they want to take $ allocated for their healthcare and give it to rich. Since there are enough people who don't want a lot of their constituents dying due to lack of care, it looks like we dodged this bullet. However, the celebration could be very short lived. Drumpf could easily refuse to pay the subsidies and the ACA comes crashing down to the ground, and they will one and all say it's the Democrats fault. We need to be running ads about this!

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
6. The first three names were women who voted NO to repeal, then replace.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jul 2017

Why are women the ones who have a soul and a heart? Thirteen older, white men wrote their shitty bill without any input from a woman. HEY STUPID WHITE MEN....WAKE UP GOP! Women DO exist and have more medical needs than you. Oh, and by the way...we ARE the majority!!!!!!!

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
10. Good, diversity should screw the Republicans
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:33 PM
Jul 2017

I would hope a few Republican women would look out for their female constituents even if their party wants to screw people over and create a permanent cheap labor class to widen the income gap as people are ruined by medical costs and fear.

Whenever the GOP spews too much racism, one of the few Latino or Black Republicans will sometimes speak out.

There are a disappointing number of Republican women on the wrong side of this too unfortunately.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
7. Women, with blood coming out of their wherevers,
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jul 2017

are thwarting you, Donald. I guess you never learned your lesson decades ago as a young man? Maybe even REPUBLICAN Congressional Women are getting sick and tired of only being "tokens" on all male committees?

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
11. 'Repeal and replace later' was designed to further sabotage the ACA.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:33 PM
Jul 2017

These thugs will end up leading from behind. They realize how unpopular they are, they realize they have no chance of getting their shitty ideas passed.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
13. The biggest problem is they cannot merge their factions.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jul 2017

They have their religious conservative faction, their RW Libertarian faction, their Tea Party faction and their Corporate Republican faction. Then you have the ones like Collins who are decried as RINOs but supported by their local voters.

The problem is there's just too much gap between what they stand for and too much rigidity in their stance for movement. At least not on this topic.

It'll be interesting to see how they do on tax reform.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
12. My guess is the new plan is to have Trump cut off the funding like he has been threatening to do
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:44 PM
Jul 2017

to kill it and let him take the flak since they know he is already unpopular and unlikely to win re election and then the varies Repugnants and their supporters will lie through their false teeth and claim that the Repugnants tried their best but it was doomed from the start and its all the Democrats fault anyway.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
14. This is going to be bad for us in the long run
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jul 2017

They're going to do everything they can to kneecap the ACA, then when it finally collapses (because of them), they'll blame the Dems and say "hey we tried to repeal and replace it."

If repeal and/or replace would have passed, they'd have to own it.

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