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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:00 PM Jul 2017

Amelia Earhart May Have Survived Crash-Landing, Newly Discovered Photo Suggests

Source: NBC

A newly discovered photograph suggests legendary aviator Amelia Earhart, who vanished 80 years ago on a round-the-world flight, survived a crash-landing in the Marshall Islands.

The photo, found in a long-forgotten file in the National Archives, shows a woman who resembles Earhart and a man who appears to be her navigator, Fred Noonan, on a dock. The discovery is featured in a new History channel special, "Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence," that airs Sunday.

Independent analysts told History the photo appears legitimate and undoctored. Shawn Henry, former executive assistant director for the FBI and an NBC News analyst, has studied the photo and feels confident it shows the famed pilot and her navigator. "When you pull out, and when you see the analysis that's been done, I think it leaves no doubt to the viewers that that's Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan," Henry told NBC News.

Earhart was last heard from on July 2, 1937, as she attempted to become the first woman pilot to circumnavigate the globe. She was declared dead two years later after the U.S. concluded she had crashed somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, and her remains were never found. But investigators believe they have found evidence Earhart and Noonan were blown off course but survived the ordeal. The investigative team behind the History special believes the photo may have been taken by someone who was spying for the U.S. on Japanese military activity in the Pacific.



Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amelia-earhart-may-have-survived-crash-landing-never-seen-photo-n779591

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Amelia Earhart May Have Survived Crash-Landing, Newly Discovered Photo Suggests (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jul 2017 OP
How fascinating! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2017 #1
She wasn't happy in her marriage and wanted to get away with Fred, snooper2 Jul 2017 #7
You forgot the part about the UFO contacts Achilleaze Jul 2017 #14
Well, this thread has gotten completely out of hand underpants Jul 2017 #19
I love it when that happens. trof Jul 2017 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum Jul 2017 #37
True. Did you know that Jim was a hermaphrodite? trof Jul 2017 #38
where is elvis? still_one Jul 2017 #51
I once heard that spying rumor Thought it was a Conspiracy Theory Catmusicfan Jul 2017 #2
Saw this on MSNBC and it piqued my interest spiderpig Jul 2017 #3
It looks like Jimi Hendrix was there too underpants Jul 2017 #4
As I've always suspected, Hendrix dying of a drug overdose is fake news. Kaleva Jul 2017 #9
Japan wanted to get their hands on Hendrix elmac Jul 2017 #15
Time travel, man underpants Jul 2017 #17
The Japanes were the mortal enemies of the Japanese. trof Jul 2017 #39
Next to the headband bikebloke Jul 2017 #13
Yes. I know. underpants Jul 2017 #16
You shouldn't do that. This is a damned serious thread. trof Jul 2017 #40
That's the Karate Kid...jeeezzz Lochloosa Jul 2017 #20
sweep the leg! NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #28
No, it's President Obama LeftInTX Jul 2017 #26
.... trusty elf Jul 2017 #41
LMAO underpants Jul 2017 #45
Thank you Bob Loblaw Jul 2017 #58
You know its possible, I zoomed in to check. miyazaki Jul 2017 #46
This thread has taken more of a wrong turn than Amelia did underpants Jul 2017 #50
Following the Hendrix angle would be more productive. Sneederbunk Jul 2017 #5
I agree or President Obama LeftInTX Jul 2017 #27
I thought Amelia Earhart was sighted at a Burger King in Kalamazoo. tclambert Jul 2017 #6
No, that was Elvis dressed as Earhart to throw his rabid fans off who have been stalking him cstanleytech Jul 2017 #8
Elvis is everywhere! roamer65 Jul 2017 #57
No. tavernier Jul 2017 #11
Well, I heard it was Elvira. trof Jul 2017 #43
Saw her walking down the street in NYC - out of makeup underpants Jul 2017 #49
My heart's on fire, for Elvira. trof Jul 2017 #53
no, that was Ken Lay SethH Jul 2017 #48
I believe one day someone will find on the sea floor 'nearish' Marshall Islands parts of wreckage Sunlei Jul 2017 #10
Some think they have found part on Nikumaroro atoll csziggy Jul 2017 #54
Schrodinger's cat is the only explanation. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #12
Oh, the "History Channel"? jberryhill Jul 2017 #18
this progressoid Jul 2017 #22
Tonight! On the History Channel... underpants Jul 2017 #24
That guy needs to sue his barber for malpractice. tclambert Jul 2017 #60
Can't. His barber is an alien too... JHB Jul 2017 #74
This morning on the Today Show bullsnarfle Jul 2017 #21
I do think is could be Amelia. That is a good nose shadow and light. BittyJenkins Jul 2017 #23
You're right. It's a conspiracy! underpants Jul 2017 #25
Fascinating BootinUp Jul 2017 #29
Watched "Wonder Woman" yesterday. TNNurse Jul 2017 #30
"What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub?" Dave Starsky Jul 2017 #71
Love that. TNNurse Jul 2017 #72
Which one is Elvis? jalan48 Jul 2017 #31
I found this interesting and not a joke DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #32
No adventurous souls seeking the unknown on this thread. Good humor though. Enoki33 Jul 2017 #33
DEBUNKED. A TMZ article links below. DinahMoeHum Jul 2017 #34
Excellent point dalton99a Jul 2017 #35
1937 was the year she and her plane were lost DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #42
Uh, yeah, we know for sure who took the photo jberryhill Jul 2017 #86
U.S. and Japan were not at war sarisataka Jul 2017 #44
According to the analyst I heard yesterday... Adrahil Jul 2017 #65
Everyone spies on everyone else all the time underpants Jul 2017 #47
Japan in the 1930s Leith Jul 2017 #83
I apologize. Didn't realize this was an LBN post. trof Jul 2017 #52
We'll never know what happened to Amelia Earhart LeftInTX Jul 2017 #55
'fun thread'...True dat. trof Jul 2017 #56
No sht underpants Jul 2017 #59
They keep screwing it up! It was aliens! Archae Jul 2017 #61
I was gonna post a serious comment... diva77 Jul 2017 #62
In this pic you can clearly see Earhart planting explosives in WTC7 Orrex Jul 2017 #63
Behind the grassy knoll. harun Jul 2017 #66
This looks like a still from the original black & white opening of Gilligan's Island. Orrex Jul 2017 #64
Highly dubious Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #67
Any history lovers know what was going on between Japan and the US in 1937? crosinski Jul 2017 #68
The Second Sino-Japanese War began on July 2, 1937. Amelia Earhart went missing on July 7, 1937. StevieM Jul 2017 #69
Thank you for that! I've always wondered what happend to them, so who knows? crosinski Jul 2017 #70
Mystery: Why is it a SOLO event when there's a CO-pilot?!1 UTUSN Jul 2017 #73
Noonan was on-board for his navigation skills... flotsam Jul 2017 #75
Yip. So not a "solo" credit. UTUSN Jul 2017 #78
So what does all this have to do with Jim Morrison? Still In Wisconsin Jul 2017 #76
Will this thread please just die and go away? Mrs. Overall Jul 2017 #77
This photo is clearly taken on a sound stage. NASA faked it. Nailzberg Jul 2017 #79
I watched the documentary and found the evidence pretty compelling Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #80
I watched and found it interesting as well DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #81
They certainly went as far as they could with new technology Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #82
Photo found in book from 2 years earlier muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #84
I drove across Texas several decades OK MosheFeingold Jul 2017 #85

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,625 posts)
1. How fascinating!
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jul 2017

I hope there will be further developments in this story, and that we will ultimately hear what happened to her and Noonan.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. She wasn't happy in her marriage and wanted to get away with Fred,
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jul 2017

they wanted to disappear and have a new life together. They actually flew to the Marshall Islands to re-fuel and paid off some locals who have passed this account down through the generations. Next they flew to New Guinea which is where they had decided to live out the rest of their lives together. They did have one son, but their true passion was training local black-eared giant rats to do amazing tricks and feats for the villagers. It is rumored that Amelia in her later years had an albino giant rat with her at all times and it would come when called by it's name, Jim.


Response to trof (Reply #36)

trof

(54,256 posts)
38. True. Did you know that Jim was a hermaphrodite?
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:29 PM
Jul 2017

He was able to inseminate himself and was the father/mother of a long line of hermaphroditic giant albino rats that still roam the jungles of New Guinea today.

snoop: Did you used to write for the National Lampoon?

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
3. Saw this on MSNBC and it piqued my interest
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jul 2017

She's iconic at Oakland Airport, where I worked for many years.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
9. As I've always suspected, Hendrix dying of a drug overdose is fake news.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jul 2017

He became a secret agent who spied on the Japanes Empire.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
15. Japan wanted to get their hands on Hendrix
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:43 PM
Jul 2017

because he could play the national anthem so cool!

miyazaki

(2,243 posts)
46. You know its possible, I zoomed in to check.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:48 PM
Jul 2017

If it was Hendrix, I wanted to make sure.
The resemblance is uncanny.

LeftInTX

(25,347 posts)
27. I agree or President Obama
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 04:08 PM
Jul 2017

It looks like President Obama when he was in high school.

The right wingers could have a field day with this!!!!

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
8. No, that was Elvis dressed as Earhart to throw his rabid fans off who have been stalking him
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jul 2017

for decades.

underpants

(182,818 posts)
49. Saw her walking down the street in NYC - out of makeup
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:51 PM
Jul 2017

People asked me "How did you know it was her?"

Me: "trust me, I know Elvira when I see her"

trof

(54,256 posts)
53. My heart's on fire, for Elvira.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 06:03 PM
Jul 2017

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csziggy

(34,136 posts)
54. Some think they have found part on Nikumaroro atoll
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jul 2017

Researchers Identify Fragment of Amelia Earhart’s Plane
October 29, 2014 By Sarah Pruitt



In June 1937, Amelia Earhart departed from Miami, Florida, on her second attempt to circumnavigate the globe along the equator. In a Miami Herald photograph of her twin-engined Lockheed Electra taking off for San Juan, Puerto Rico, on the morning of June 1, a shiny metal patch covers one of the back windows of the plane. By linking that metal patch to a scrap of aluminum found on the remote Pacific atoll of Nikumaroro, researchers have provided a tantalizing new clue in the enduring mystery of Earhart’s disappearance.


After departing from Miami on June 1, 1937, Amelia Earhart and her navigator, Fred Noonan, completed nearly 22,000 miles of their attempted circumnavigation of the globe, making stops in South America, Africa, India and Lae, New Guinea. On July 2, they took off from Lae for their next target destination, tiny Howland Island in the Pacific. The distance from Lae to Howland Island was about the same as a transcontinental flight across the United States. Somewhere during the journey over the vast Pacific Ocean, the Lockheed Electra plane disappeared. A massive land, air and sea search failed to turn up evidence of Earhart, Noonan or the plane, and their fate remains a subject of endless speculation.

The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (TIGHAR), which has spent the last 25 years investigating Earhart’s ill-fated final voyage, recently focused its attention on a scrap of aluminum recovered in 1991 from the uninhabited Pacific atoll of Nikumaroro, located some 350 miles southeast of Howland Island. To them, it appeared as if the metal sheet could be the same patch of metal that appears in the Miami Herald photograph of Earhart’s Electra, covering one of the rear navigational windows.

Known as Artifact 2-2-V-1, the metal scrap found on Nikumaroro is 19 inches wide and 23 inches long, and has a distinctive pattern of rivets. To test their hypothesis, TIGHAR researchers traveled to Wichita Air Services in Newton, Kansas to compare the dimensions and features of the sheet of metal to the components of a Lockheed Electra being restored to airworthy condition. They found that the rivets and other features of Artifact 2-2-V-1 appeared to match those of the patch that would have been used to fix Earhart’s plane. In a press release this week, TIGHAR explained: “The patch was an expedient field modification. Its dimensions, proportions, and pattern of rivets were dictated by the hole to be covered and the structure of the aircraft. The patch was as unique to [Earhart’s] particular aircraft as a fingerprint is to an individual.”
http://www.history.com/news/researchers-identify-fragment-of-amelia-earharts-plane
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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. Schrodinger's cat is the only explanation.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jul 2017

She has been "dead" all of my life, which is more real than a blurry pic.

underpants

(182,818 posts)
24. Tonight! On the History Channel...
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:55 PM
Jul 2017

Did Confederate ghosts advise Hitler?

That's my brother's summary of the History Channel.

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
21. This morning on the Today Show
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jul 2017

they showed a close-up of the caucasian man in the left part of the photo next to a stock picture of Fred Noonan. If that isn't him I would swear it's his twin brother...spooky.

BittyJenkins

(411 posts)
23. I do think is could be Amelia. That is a good nose shadow and light.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jul 2017

As a du member, with an MFA in figurative painting, I have looked at a lot of noses....I am not a star member so I apologize for the link:

[link:http://newsradio1310.com/castaways-bones-may-belong-to-amelia-earhart-after-all-scientists-say/|


I would post a smiles to accent my point but none of them have noses.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
30. Watched "Wonder Woman" yesterday.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:03 PM
Jul 2017

I kept thinking if only there had been an Amazon warrior to help earlier in WWI.

Does anyone remember the SNL skits about "What if" in history? Our fave was always "What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly?" She was seen flying around the world fixing things. Also I remember "What if the Confederacy had B-2 bombers?".

So I thought "What if Wonder Woman had really ended WWI?"

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
71. "What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub?"
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jul 2017

That was my favorite. Kirk Douglas flying over and dropping bricks on the heads of the Romans.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
72. Love that.
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 05:14 PM
Jul 2017

In our house if you say "What if" and pause, you will get "Eleanor Roosevelt could fly". We both do it.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
32. I found this interesting and not a joke
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:17 PM
Jul 2017

The aviation expert who MSNBC had on was talking about how for many decades Marshall Islanders had spoken of how Earhart, Noonan and the plane (put on a barge and towed) were taken away by a Japanese ship, the same one that's in the photo towing a plane, to Saipan. Presulably up until now, their story was dismissed as not credible.

How many people have searched for Earhardt's remains and the plane's remains over the years and found absolutely nothing? If she, Noonan and the plane had landed safely, it would certainly explain why nothing has ever been found.

The aviation guy also said there also appears to be evidence of her/Noonan were on Saipan.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
42. 1937 was the year she and her plane were lost
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:39 PM
Jul 2017

No one knows for sure who took the picture, just speculation that it was somone spying for the US.

In 1937, Japan attached China setting off the 2nd war between the two countries. The US was following events in the Pacific and actually evacuated Americans from Nanjing. It's quite possible there were US spys or observers in the Pacific then.

Link: https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/pearl-harbor

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
86. Uh, yeah, we know for sure who took the photo
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jul 2017

NO ONE ASKED THE JAPANESE:


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/blogger-discredits-claim-amelia-earhart-was-taken-prisoner-by-japan

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.

The caption beneath the image makes no mention of the identities of the people in the photograph. It describes maritime activity at the harbour on Jabor in the Jaluit atoll – the headquarters for Japan’s administration of the Marshall Islands between the first world war and its defeat in the second world war.

The caption notes that monthly races between schooners belonging to local tribal leaders and other vessels turned the port into a “bustling spectacle”.

Kota Yamano, a military history blogger who unearthed the Japanese photograph, said it took him just 30 minutes to effectively debunk the documentary’s central claim.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
44. U.S. and Japan were not at war
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jul 2017

but relations were quite frosty over Japan's activity in China.

Later in 1937 Japan sank the gunboat USS Panay. Japan claimed it was accidental but crew members said they were bombed by planes and fired on by Japanese boats despite US flags clearly painted on the decks and sides of the boat.

Still, given Amelia's fame, it is difficult to picture Japan taking her captive after having allowed her and Fred to be openly seen as the photo indicates. It appears several people are aware of the photographer.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
65. According to the analyst I heard yesterday...
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 08:13 AM
Jul 2017

The people on the dock appear to be natives. But in any case, in 1937, it would be VERY possible, IMO, that some Japanese officers would not know who she is. If that pic is legit, it's pretty convincing to me.

underpants

(182,818 posts)
47. Everyone spies on everyone else all the time
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:49 PM
Jul 2017

Now mostly electronically but back then everyone had eyes all over.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
83. Japan in the 1930s
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 05:55 PM
Jul 2017

Was nothing like Japan today. It was a hyper-militarized country. Paranoid, aggressive, racist, crazed by religion, and weaponed up to the point of denying their citizenry food. It's perfectly plausible that they would dispose of a couple Americans out for what the Japanese would consider a joy ride to spy on them.

That being said, the "History Channel" can keep munching away on that shit. Shows like American Pickers and Pawn Stars are NOT history (according to the online TV Guide, that's all they are showing today).

trof

(54,256 posts)
52. I apologize. Didn't realize this was an LBN post.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 05:58 PM
Jul 2017

Got here from Home.
Didn't mean to make light of OP.
But having said that...
I haven't had a laugh this good in a long time.
At the way off-tangent comments went.
Tears were rolling down my cheeks.
Seriously.
Or not.
But in times like these, I needed that.
Thanks.

LeftInTX

(25,347 posts)
55. We'll never know what happened to Amelia Earhart
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 07:40 PM
Jul 2017

Anything by the History Channel, isn't quite "breaking news".

This ranks up there with perennial newly discovered photos of Billy the Kid.

This was a fun thread!

crosinski

(411 posts)
68. Any history lovers know what was going on between Japan and the US in 1937?
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 03:36 PM
Jul 2017

Or was there anything going on that would have made it difficult for the US to retrieve them, or anything that would have made the Japanese want to keep them thinking they were spies?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
69. The Second Sino-Japanese War began on July 2, 1937. Amelia Earhart went missing on July 7, 1937.
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 03:46 PM
Jul 2017

So maybe there is some kind of connection.

Or maybe not.

crosinski

(411 posts)
70. Thank you for that! I've always wondered what happend to them, so who knows?
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 03:53 PM
Jul 2017

Maybe someone will get lucky someday, find a tooth, and retrieve some dna to solve the mystery once and for all.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
75. Noonan was on-board for his navigation skills...
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:02 AM
Jul 2017

Wiki has a good bio. He was a qualified pilot and also had a masters license as a sea captain.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
77. Will this thread please just die and go away?
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:09 AM
Jul 2017

I would never have posted it if I could have foreseen the derision.

Just thought it was interesting historical speculation and seemed to be reported with some veracity in most of the major news outlets.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
80. I watched the documentary and found the evidence pretty compelling
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 03:37 AM
Jul 2017

They consulted some very impressive experts and used state-of-the-art technology that wasn't available in 1968 when there was the last serious attempt to finally solve this mystery. I recommend it!

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
81. I watched and found it interesting as well
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 07:22 AM
Jul 2017

I would've liked to have seen a longer segment on the forensic weather analysis that likely steered her off course.

Overall, I thought they made a good circumstantial case for their theory.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
82. They certainly went as far as they could with new technology
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 05:32 PM
Jul 2017

And I found that both compelling and impressive. They left no stone unturned, and did revisit the weather patterns of that time, though I agree, would have liked to see more. I felt it ended kind of abruptly after all that buildup, wish they had found more after all that backbreaking excavation, but I thought they made a pretty convincing case and it left me feeling sad. They must have thought they were rescued. If the government abandoned them, that is pretty damning and I hope we learn more on that. The 90-year-old lady was the most convincing to me, I thought they went as far as they could, but I was still hoping for more...

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
84. Photo found in book from 2 years earlier
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 09:58 AM
Jul 2017

Last edited Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:59 AM - Edit history (1)

Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

...
But serious doubts now surround the film’s premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan’s national library.

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.

The caption beneath the image makes no mention of the identities of the people in the photograph. It describes maritime activity at the harbour on Jabor in the Jaluit atoll – the headquarters for Japan’s administration of the Marshall Islands between the first world war and its defeat in the second world war.
...
“The photo was the 10th item that came up,” he said. “I was really happy when I saw it. I find it strange that the documentary makers didn’t confirm the date of the photograph or the publication in which it originally appeared. That’s the first thing they should have done.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/blogger-discredits-claim-amelia-earhart-was-taken-prisoner-by-japan

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
85. I drove across Texas several decades OK
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 10:45 AM
Jul 2017

And stayed in a house in Pecos, TX with a plaque about Emilia Airhart -- a small bed and breakfast at the time that offered kosher food (or kind of kosher food; I ended up eating fruit and boiled eggs).

Apparently, she got lost over Texas, missed the larger Midland Airport (a rather large military airport at the time) and landed in Pecos.

Looking at a map, this is a rather big miss, and cities, even small cities, are hard to miss from the air in the desert.

So, I remaining leaning on the obvious: either she, or her navigator (or both) sucked at directions.

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