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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 03:18 PM Jun 2017

Putin Says Snowden Did Not Leak U.S. Data to Russia

Source: Newsweek



RUSSIAN PRESIDENT SAYS EDWARD SNOWDEN DID NOT LEAK U.S. INTELLIGENCE TO MOSCOW

BY DAMIEN SHARKOV ON 6/14/17 AT 1:32 PM

Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied that U.S. fugitive Edward Snowden, who is currently living in Russia, ever offered to hand Moscow sensitive information in exchange for asylum.

“We made first contact with Mr. Snowden in China,” Putin said, reflecting on Snowden’s departure from the U.S. following his leak of tens of thousands of National Security Agency and British Government Communications Headquarters documents in 2013. The Russian president was speaking to U.S. filmmaker Oliver Stone for his four-part documentary series for Showtime called The Putin Interviews.

“That’s when we were told that there is this person who wants to fight for human rights and against their violation. And we need to give credit to Mr. Snowden. He never took it upon himself to give us any kind of information,” Putin said.

However, Putin told Stone that Russia was “not prepared” to welcome Snowden at first. “We have such complicated relations with the U.S., and we don’t need additional complications,” the Russian president explained. According to Putin, Snowden’s arrival in Moscow came as a surprise to the Kremlin, as it was initially only intended as a transit flight to Latin America.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/russian-president-edward-snowden-did-not-leak-us-intelligence-moscow-625693

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Putin Says Snowden Did Not Leak U.S. Data to Russia (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2017 OP
I don't believe that traitor Snowden nor Putin. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #1
Give me one reason to believe anything Putin says, and I still wouldn't believe him. shraby Jun 2017 #2
riiiiight... nt. Blue Idaho Jun 2017 #3
Alrighty then pandr32 Jun 2017 #4
So, they tortured it out of him? brooklynite Jun 2017 #5
This is like having your crack dealer act as a character witness at your bond hearing nt Xipe Totec Jun 2017 #6
Well said! flibbitygiblets Jun 2017 #14
Key words are "give us" but what about a 3rd party that then gave it to you Vlad? cstanleytech Jun 2017 #7
Yes, of course. JackRiddler Jun 2017 #30
I was thinking more of China acting as a go between freeing up Putin to make the factual claim cstanleytech Jun 2017 #33
The KGB guy speaks the truth dalton99a Jun 2017 #8
Of course MFM008 Jun 2017 #9
That settles it then. Orangepeel Jun 2017 #10
lol JHan Jun 2017 #11
Far more Pravda than pravda. n/t Igel Jun 2017 #12
It must be opposites day. C Moon Jun 2017 #13
LOL. Putin is world-renowned for his advocacy of human rights. flibbitygiblets Jun 2017 #15
And for what reason would we believe this murderous bastard? Hekate Jun 2017 #16
As if we are to believe ex-KGB strongman about anything. I usually beachbum bob Jun 2017 #17
yeah, I thought the intel was going the other way. MGKrebs Jun 2017 #18
Interesting to read that first contact was made in China Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #19
If he says that, you know Snowden did leak WhiteTara Jun 2017 #20
Well in my mind, that affirms that he did. JTFrog Jun 2017 #21
I reckon Trump will now pardon Snowden since Putin vouches for him Midnight Writer Jun 2017 #22
Uh huh. Sure vlad. Go with that. Kahuna7 Jun 2017 #23
I think this is probably accurate, but carefully worded. politicat Jun 2017 #24
Well summarized. JackRiddler Jun 2017 #31
Yeah...so like you guys can hire him back at NSA...okay? pecosbob Jun 2017 #25
And the Mama Bear says to the Papa Bear..... nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #26
Oh, o.k. tazkcmo Jun 2017 #27
Bullshit orangecrush Jun 2017 #28
Well, that's all right then NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #29
Snowden is a traitor, Greenwald and Scahill just ratted Reality Winner to Justice alcibiades_mystery Jun 2017 #32
What makes pootie think we give a shit? truthisfreedom Jun 2017 #34
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
30. Yes, of course.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:06 PM
Jun 2017

The third parties were Poitras, Greenwald and reporters at The Guardian and The Washington Post (Barton Gellman), who won the Pulitzer prize for stories written based on the data package Snowden provided.

cstanleytech

(26,332 posts)
33. I was thinking more of China acting as a go between freeing up Putin to make the factual claim
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:14 PM
Jun 2017

that Snowden gave nothing to the Russians.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
15. LOL. Putin is world-renowned for his advocacy of human rights.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 04:00 PM
Jun 2017

He's like that playground bully who says "Why do you keep hitting yourself?"

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
16. And for what reason would we believe this murderous bastard?
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 04:01 PM
Jun 2017

President Obama had his number -- remember the stare-down?

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
17. As if we are to believe ex-KGB strongman about anything. I usually
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 04:06 PM
Jun 2017

Figure what they say is opposite of what they do

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. Interesting to read that first contact was made in China
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 04:19 PM
Jun 2017

For those keeping score (like me), that's just one more piece of Snowden's official hero worship origin story exposed as a lie...

At what point do Snowden and Greenwald just tear it up and create another origin story? Because the current one has way too many *documented* holes to stand on its own...

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
21. Well in my mind, that affirms that he did.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 04:35 PM
Jun 2017

He and Trump both deserve projectionist of the year awards.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
24. I think this is probably accurate, but carefully worded.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 05:10 PM
Jun 2017

It's good to remember that carefully worded truths are more effective than lies when it comes to propaganda and espionage. Putin is a good enough spy to know and exploit a truth when it serves his purposes.

Snowden himself did not carry any of the data on his flight from Hong Kong. He had turned over the drive to Greenwald and Poitras, and it had been uploaded. What he knew at that point was published, and he has been consistent that he doesn't know anything that wasn't published. That was one of his goals - to reduce his risk of being a target. (Didn't work.)

But that data was published. It was available. Russia didn't need Snowden for access.

We need to remember that Snowden is probably not in Moscow voluntarily. He was in transit on the Saturday, scheduled to transfer to a flight to Cuba, then to Ecuador, when the State Department cancelled his passport. (They tried to cancel the passport on Friday, before he left Hong Kong, and screwed it up.) Don't let this go down the memory hole. He got stuck there because technically, he is now stateless, like that poor guy who got stuck in the Paris airport for 26 years. But Moscow was complicit in this -- they had the choice to let him continue and make Snowden either Cuba or Ecuador's problem -- and they chose not to do so. There aren't a lot of direct flights from Hong Kong to South America at all. (He should have hitched passage on one of the dozens of container ships leaving HK every day, but that's several weeks at sea and very few people under age 60 think of water travel for crossing oceans. Pity.)

There's a lot to criticize about Snowden and his decisions, but given the Drake and Crane cases, I don't think he had any better choices. We have a problem with whistleblowers. We treat them like the problem, not what they're reporting, and that's stupid. We make it impossible to report wrongdoing by our own agencies, and our own government's actions are consistent -- don't fix the problem, do destroy the messenger. But in this case, the State Department decision made a bad situation worse. When State failed in Hong Kong, they shouldn't have re-issued that cancellation, because doing so handed him to an unreliable frenemy (Russia, at the time), or a declared enemy at the time (Cuba). They should have waited until he was in Ecuador and then negotiated.

References: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-passport-idUSBRE95M0CW20130623
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ap-source-nsa-leaker-snowden-s-passport-revoked
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/world/asia/nsa-leaker-leaves-hong-kong-local-officials-say.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/how-pentagon-punished-nsa-whistleblowers

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
29. Well, that's all right then
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 08:52 PM
Jun 2017

Putin said it; it must be true.

This alone should put at rest the Snowden worship here on DU.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
32. Snowden is a traitor, Greenwald and Scahill just ratted Reality Winner to Justice
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:10 PM
Jun 2017

The whole lot of them are Russian agents.

Putin says...?

I believe the opposite unless there's a compelling reason not to.

truthisfreedom

(23,159 posts)
34. What makes pootie think we give a shit?
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jun 2017

Why would he think that anybody in the US believes anything he says?

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