State of Ohio Sues 5 Major Drug Companies for Fueling Opioid Epidemic
Source: NPR
The state of Ohio has sued five major drug manufacturers for their role in the opioid epidemic. In the lawsuit filed Wednesday, state Attorney General Mike DeWine alleges these five companies "helped unleash a health care crisis that has had far-reaching financial, social, and deadly consequences in the State of Ohio."
Named in the suit are:
◾Purdue Pharma
◾Endo Health Solutions
◾Teva Pharmaceutical Industries and subsidiary Cephalon
◾Johnson & Johnson and subsidiary Janssen Pharmaceuticals
◾Allergan
The lawsuit only the second such suit filed by a state, after Mississippi did so earlier this year accuses the companies of engaging in a sustained marketing campaign to downplay the addiction risks of the prescription opioid drugs they sell and to exaggerate the benefits of their use for health problems such as chronic pain.
Or, as DeWine's office put it in a press release Wednesday, the "lawsuit alleges that the drug companies engaged in fraudulent marketing regarding the risks and benefits of prescription opioids which fueled Ohio's opioid epidemic."
Read more: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/31/530929307/ohio-sues-5-major-drug-companies-for-fueling-opioid-epidemic
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)People have always misused prescription drugs. But just recently I started hearing about some opioid epidemic. Is this really a huge deal for the country? More so than other misuses of drugs in the past? Why is it suddenly front & center?
I'm suspicious of this sudden "epidemic" and its supposed sudden importance. I wonder if this is related to money for the government, or the GOP health care bill, or something like that.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)There are issues with how the drug companies peddled certain pain meds as a cure-all and downplayed the addictive qualities associated with opiates.
However, it should be noted that attorney general Mike Dewine who is heading this case is also running for Ohio governor. So....
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)epidemic is heroin. In fact I think some who have pain turn to these drugs for relief.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And PLENTY of them have never done heroin.
Although, many (if not most) people badly strung out on opioids end up losing their jobs at some point (if they ever even had one) and often can't find another ... so unless they either have a really shady doctor that keeps them knee-deep in pills, OR they're already really rich before they get hooked on Rx opioids (such that they can afford street prices), good chance they'll eventually end up doing heroin, because the street price of heroin vs. efficacy/high is much much 'better'.
Thus in many many cases, people now on H, started on pills. So it's very much part of the 'epidemic'.
What really started this problem was a law passed in 2000 that made it obligatory for doctors to give you meds to 'relieve pain' ... if you say you have it. There's exceptions based on suspicion you're an addict, of course, but they needed to have some kind of proof ... their seeing track marks, or you're 'doctor-shopping', or constantly calling for your pain meds 'early', getting 'hurt' with an abnormal frequency, getting caught altering Rx's, that kind of thing.
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)celebrex which is not that good.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I can say that you have to have connections on the street to get hard drugs. If the description of opioid abusers is accurate (middle class & upper class people overdoing their prescription meds) is accurate, they wouldn't have street connections. Street connections (the kind that would have heroin) are not easy to come by for middle class people.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)I haven't done drugs in decades but it'd be easier and cheaper for me to get herion then certain prescription drugs.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Those areas of town would be very dangerous. I'd get raped or murdered. They wouldn't sell to me, anyway. Here, you have to have someone vouch for you.
You're also more likely to find meth than heroin, I think.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)I don't associate with people who deal drugs but I know some folks who do use them so I, if I ever were to want to, could talk to them to hook me up with one of their suppliers.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Maybe in certain areas or certain cities.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)To cop Rx opioids like oxycontin, and I'd suppose smack too but not positive on that.
All you have to know is where to go walk around, which means you have to a) be reasonably near the place, and b) have someone tell you where it is. Dealers will spot you because you'll look out of place, and probably have a look of searching and desperation lol ...
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The parts of town I'd have to go to to find illegal drugs would land me in a grave, and they wouldn't sell someone like me something, anyway.
It's not easy.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Yeah, if you're not near a larger city, it's harder w/o proper connects, no doubt.
I'm not going to have a long argument w/ya about this suffice to say it's not as hard to cop as you're thinking if you're near a big city and know where to go and something about what to do when you get there.
If you naturally emanate a 'cop-aura', though ... yeah that could be an issue. And you absolutely will get sold fake stuff occasionally, someone may take your money and give you back nothing, or even outright rob you. Sure, could happen.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)become felons?!
WTH kind of arguments are people positing here??
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)That wasn't the point I was responding to ... I'm saying that all over larger America cities nowadays there's parts of town where anyone could go cop opioids, all they need is to be told where it is and be able to get there. You don't necessarily have to know a dealer, just need someone who knows where the dealers 'vend', and go hang out there and walking around, make eye contact with people you ordinarily might not, etc.
And you might think you'd end up dead cause they're not nice neighborhoods but believe it or not most people in bad neighborhoods where dope sales are common ... are more interested in selling you dope ... than murdering you in cold blood just for walking down their street. Def. have to be careful though about gettin' ripped off, though, sure.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)to look to our doctors.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and I don't have a history of taking prescription drugs, would I have trouble getting a pain med? How unfair if I can't because others have abused them.That's like refusing to serve me a drink because the guy at the end of the bar is an alcoholic.
duhneece
(4,116 posts)...and they overdose, usually forgetting they've already taken them or too lonely to live. Or both.
I live in south-central New Mexico, near Alamogordo, NM.
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)And I believe many are because people can't get pain meds. Also three of my daughters classmates have died of Heroin overdoses in the last six month. I think that is the young playing around with drugs as they have always done...this is a lethal sort of Heroin.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)heroin, that is, to committing a felony, as a matter of course.
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)about heroin...but I think people do reach out to illegal drugs when they can find no pain relief at the Doctors...and much of the heroin epidemic in my view is untreated depression and mental illness...our mental health infrastructure is pretty much gone.
underpants
(182,866 posts)That's never happened before. Also, separately, more young people committed suicide than died in car wrecks. That too has never happened before.
It's really really bad and it's hitting middle America (farm country) and the under educated particularly hard.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)nothing but make it much harder for people who legitimately need it to get relief for their pain. it is complete bullsh*t.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)underpants
(182,866 posts)But it's still a disturbing amount of both OD's and suicides.
mama
(164 posts)I don't have time to refresh my memory on the history now, but I believe the attorney general's office went after the pill mill doctors a few years ago. Since the prescription drugs are no longer available, people go to the street. The dealers add either fentanyl or carfentanil (which is much stronger) to the pills and it's easier to accidentally overdose.
It's a very big problem in Ohio.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Because this "epidemic" affect mainly white people.
If it were contained to a minority group, then we'd be getting "tough on crime"
BumRushDaShow
(129,341 posts)It's something that has impacted whites, across all socioeconomic groups.
When Crack was ravaging the black community (and in previous years heroin), users were locked up as part of a "War on Drugs" in order to fill newly-built private prisons in rural areas, and "crack baby" became a pejorative to denigrate the entire community.
The fact that a fight had to occur to finally enact changes in sentencing guidelines via legislation for "powdered cocaine vs crack" (reducing from 100:1 to 18:1), underscores the racial divide.
Now....
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)it's the misuse of them that's the problem.
I thought there was also a difference between cocaine & crack. Crack is a rock form of cocaine, and has something removed, and is usually taken differently, I think.
If drs are pushing opioids, that's illegal. But if people are misusing their drugs, I think they're making their own choice. Not sure what other people can do about that. We are all free to self-destruct and have vices. Plenty of alcoholics self-destruct every day, and have been for decades. We tried prohibition, but it didn't work.
BumRushDaShow
(129,341 posts)Various "opiods" are mixed together and/or with other drugs (these new combinations NOT legally approved) for recreational use. It's not just people getting high off of oxycodone. Heroin is an "opiod" and is NOT legal, but is mixed with other synthetic opium-like drugs (including fentanyl more recently) for injection or other ingestion.
Crack is nothing but cocaine HCL with the hydrogen chloride molecule mostly removed (but not all as the process leaves quite a bit of residue), but both are still "cocaine" and both are "illegal".
So there really is no difference when it comes to addiction to these drugs except that when you're black, you go to jail and/or die on the street or in a cell, and when you are white, you now have a "Get out of jail free" card and help to break the addiction.
canetoad
(17,175 posts)I remember being stunned by it's logic at the time. Long read but well worth it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/14/drugsandalcohol.socialsciences
Make heroin legal
Nick Davies
..snip
The core point is that the death and sickness and moral collapse which are associated with class A drugs are, in truth, generally the result not of the drugs themselves but of the black market on which they are sold as a result of our strategy of prohibition. In comparison, the drugs themselves are safe, and we could turn around the epidemic of illness and death and crime if only we legalised them. However, it is a contemporary heresy to say this, and so the overwhelming evidence of this war's self-destructive futility is exiled from almost all public debate now, just as it was when those congressmen met.
Take heroin as a single example. And it's a tough example. In medical terms, it is simply an opiate, technically known as diamorphine, which metabolises into morphine once it enters its user's body. But, in terms of the war against drugs, it is the most frightening of all enemies. Remember all that those congressmen were told about "the great peril". Remember the Thatcher government's multimillion pound campaign under the slogan "Heroin screws you up". Think of Tony Blair at the 1999 Labour party conference fulminating about the "drug menace" or of William Hague last year calling for "a stronger, firmer, harder attack on drugs than we have ever seen before". And now look at the evidence.
Start with the allegation that heroin damages the minds and bodies of those who use it, and consider the biggest study of opiate use ever conducted, on 861 patients at Philadelphia General hospital in the 20s. It concluded that they suffered no physical harm of any kind. Their weight, skin condition and dental health were all unaffected. "There is no evidence of change in the circulatory, hepatic, renal or endocrine functions. When it is considered that some of these subjects had been addicted for at least five years, some of them for as long as 20 years, these negative observations are highly significant."
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Staph
(6,253 posts)one local pharmacy sold more than 9 million opioid pills in just two years. A reporter for the Charleston Gazette won the Pulitzer this year for his continuing reporting on the problem of Big Pharma dumping these drugs.
It's a complex problem. Do you blame the doctors writing the prescriptions, the pharmacists filling those scrips, or the drug companies who are pushing their drugs through advertising and promotional goodies for the doctors?
FYI -- In January of this year, Kermit announced that they are suing San Francisco-based McKesson Corporation, Pennsylvania-based AmerisourceBergen Drug Corporation, Ohio-based Cardinal health, Ohio-based Miami-Luken, South Carolina-based AD Smith Corporation and a former Kermit pharmacy, Sav-Rite Pharmacy. Other West Virginia cities and towns are already suing or planning to sue the same companies. The State of West Virginia has not discussed any legal suits, because the state's attorney general is a Republican clown who has connections to Cardinal Health, a Fortune 500 healthcare company specializing in drug distribution.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)9 million opioid pills (I guess that means varying types of pain pills?) means nothing w/o something to compare it to.
What is the normal # of pills sold per pharmacy across the nation or in that city? What is the normal # of other kinds of pills sold per pharmacy in that city or the nation? How many pain pills did it sell 5 yrs ago?
Drs have started prescribing more of all kinds of pills, and people started asking for them with the pharma companies started advertising.
I hope I don't have trouble getting pain pills, if I need them at some point, because someone else abused them.
I don't see why this is a government problem any more than alcoholism is.
yardwork
(61,696 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)One pharmacy does not a crisis make.
I wonder how many diabetes pills that pharmacy sold. I wonder much booze that town sold.
Without having more information, it's hard to say. It could be the cheapest pharmacy for miles around.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)And that number probably grew.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What's the plan to combat alcoholism, since it's apparently a bigger problem than opioid use, if we go by deaths?
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)get relief for their pain. the way i see it, any one who prevents me from getting relief from my chronic, significant daily pain can pay my bills for the rest of my life, when i become completely unable to function.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)The deaths are a subset (or perhaps an 'outgrowth') of the larger epidemic. The epidemic is the addiction and the high-availability. And folks are addicted to, and OD'ing on ... opioids in general, not just Heroin.
Broadly speaking, one could say opioids fall into these categories:
Rx-Meds that were legally prescribed to the person
Rx-Meds diverted from legit patients to Friends/Family, or the Street
Illegal - Heroin (with or without adulterants like Fentanyl), or fake Rx-looking pills that are usually made with Fentanyl rather than what they're represented as, typically hydro or oxycodone.
People are hooked on one or more of the above in particularly large numbers right now, and IIRC it started around 2000, when there was (I believe) some kind of federal law change that made doctors legally obligated to treat your pain (esp. chronic pain).
Believe it or not a plurality (if not a majority) of doctors were and still are of the opinion that managing chronic pain with opioids is a BAD idea, except in certain palliative situations.
This widespread belief is what directly led to the laws re: opioid distribution being so strict prior to around 2000. 5mg Vicodin (hydrocodone) or 5mg Percocet (oxycodone) with a big wallop of liver-killing acetaminophen were all you were getting outside hospital and even then often only when you had something very visibly painful like a broken arm, or when you went home from surgery.
Now they make up to 30mg instant release oxycodone that's pure dope, basically. And up to 80mg oxycontin that's 12 hr time-release (nowadays the formulation is difficult to tamper with, but from like 2000-2006 one could simply chew up and swallow, or crush the pill and sniff it, to defeat the mechanism).
Dilaudid (instant release hydromorphone) and Opana (time-release oxymorphone), again pure dope, no tylenol ... which are both just WICKED euphoric, and hence highly addictive, drugs ... are also being Rx'd to people with 'chronic pain', in fairly large numbers. Docs almost never gave those drugs out prior to around 2000 ... unless you were literally dying of cancer.
Basically, prior to around 2000, you might get 60 x 5mg Percocets a month if you found an understanding doctor, to take if and only if ... the pain gets really bad.
IOW, strong opioids were basically never given for 'chronic pain' symptoms to be taken round the clock ... something changed around 2000 (like I say I think there was some law change that brought it about), while at the same time, giving us WAY stronger Rx drugs/formulations and 'time release/pure opioid' pills that the Drug makers claimed wouldn't addict most people (just because of the time release? Yeah ... wrong.).
PLENTY of people OD on these newer formulations (Opana and Oxycontin being most common) and die ... probably not as many as w/heroin but it absolutely does happen. Because there's lots of dumb people out there. JimBob who's been hooked on pills for years and has massive tolerance hands little bro BillyJoe one of the Oxy 80's that he pops like candy. Now, BillyJoe has never had any dope before, he chews up the pill like his big bro does it, washes it down with a couple beers, and next thing you know the 16 percocets worth of Oxycodone in a OC80 hits him at once, mixed with the booze ... and he dies. This type of scenario plays out more than you'd think.
In the years prior to 2000, the main 'objection' to the idea of usage for managing chronic pain is that basically opioids don't work for very long before you have to increase dosages for comparable pain relief. After only a year or two (in some cases), people can end up on dosages that would kill a small roomful of opioid-naive people. Eventually they just plain don't work anymore at all for killing the pain.
At that point the patient is extremely physically (and probably psychologically) dependent on them, looking at horrible withdrawals unless they're very slowly weaned down, and even then, the final 'step' of quitting is very unpleasant.
Often times doctors will just suddenly decide they see signs of such patients being 'addicts' and then just cut 'em off cold. They then often then end up on heroin, or copping pills on the street or from family/friends. IOW, they proceed to act like an addict, whether they really 'are' one ... or not.
Whatever happened around 2000, big pharma got themselves a huge gift, and they've made Billion$ (maybe hundreds of them) off of the change that occurred, whilst basically creating a whole generation of addicts.
At least they were nice enough though in 2000 to add an allowance for another methadone-ish opioid, buprenorphine, which could be Rx'd by regular doctors (after a simple cert process) in an office setting for treating opioid addiction, unlike is the case with methadone.
It's ALMOST like they foresaw the epidemic, and their solution to that would be ... MORE OPIOID$! Woo-hoo! This one doesn't get you high, and blocks other opioids from getting you high, and requires a MASSIVE amount to OD and die from. But it's still packs a NASTY withdrawal esp. if you don't wean your dose down really low before quitting.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and had Congress spend millions holding hearings about. Remember that? It was bizarre.
Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)The US uses 90% of the prescribed opioids in the world. Compared with Canada or the EU nations, the US use is off the chart. Worse, yet, the data show the US medical outcomes are far worse.
That's right--more drugs but worse outcomes.
sandensea
(21,650 posts)Another legacy of Dubya's bad-faith Afghan invasion.
mahina
(17,693 posts)irisblue
(33,018 posts)Ohio Democratic Party
Ohio Democratic Party Statement on DeWines Latest Announcement in Fight Against Opioid Epidemic
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Overdose Deaths Have Escalated Under DeWines Failed Leadership, More Than 4,000 Ohioans Died From Overdoses In 2016
COLUMBUS As the states top law enforcement officer, Attorney General Mike DeWine has watched as Ohio became the epicenter of the nations opioid epidemic, and as the local governments that are on the front lines of the crisis have had their budgets slashed by the state, crippling their ability to provide treatment and prevention.
Todays announcement by DeWine is simply an attempt to get in front of an escalating crisis he has done so little about.
We have the nations worst heroin crisis, and Mike DeWine has had his head firmly planted in the sand for the past six years as Ohios top law enforcement officer, said Ohio Democratic Party Chairman David Pepper. In his last campaign, after the crisis had already exploded, he launched endless town hall meetings about the heroin problem, but with little action to show for it. Then he said nothing as treatment was cut across the state.
In 2016, DeWine convened an emergency meeting on the crisis and said then that he thought the rate of overdose deaths was leveling off in Ohio, even though we led the nation in 2014. Now we know that an average of 11 Ohioans died every single day from drug overdoses last year. That was a 36 percent increase over the previous year. The state is still not undertaking real-time data tracking on the epidemic Ohioans have to rely on newspapers to dig up more details on the epidemic than the attorney general himself can provide.
DeWines call for litigation today is acting on a suggestion that Ohio Democrats have offered on multiple occasions, going back years. To solve this crisis, Ohio needs leaders who are ahead of the crisis, not years behind in their response.
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This is a seriously cynically motivated action on his part.
captain queeg
(10,231 posts)There is no doubt that opiates have been over prescribed, but now the government will be watching doctors so close they will be afraid to prescribe necessary meds. I have a friend with stage 4 cancer. His doctor told him he ought to get on hospice. He wanted to wait as long as possible to start taking pain meds. A couple weeks ago he finally decided he needed some, but no one would prescribe them even with his stage 4 diagnosis. He had to make a special trip to a city 70 miles away to see his oncologist to get a referral. I know it was part his fault for not dealing with it right away, but you'd think with a diagnosis like that his local doc would prescribe.
DK504
(3,847 posts)He used it maybe, maybe once a day. I doubt it was that much.
I have 4 herniated discs in my lower back have had surgery, more than once, and it took 3 years for my doctors to figure out what worked. Every single pill I took was strictly monitored by the DEA. Yeah, it's really strong stuff, but it merely dulls the pain for one day at a time. This isn't something I would wish on anyone, I can't vacuum my apartment with out having to lie down for hours.
I want to know WHY people aren't going after these doctors that are writing all these prescriptions. It's not like they can't find out who the 'scripts are coming from, all these drugs are regulated by the DEA and any doctor doing the right thing usually make their pain patients have to come in every month for a check up and to get a new 'script.
Where is the DEA??? This is 25% of the "war on drugs" and they are no where to be found. I don't think the drug companies have 100% culpability in this, there are regulations for this, where are the agents?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Alcoholism is as bad, if not worse. Heroin has been rampant for decades.
If people want to take pain pills, and they're legitimately prescribed, that's none of my business. People will find a way to self-medicate, if that's what they are intent on doing. We tried prohibition, we tried a war on drugs. You just can't legislate that away. People have always been doing this. Opium was a big problem in China centuries ago. It's not going away.
I knew a couple of people who died from heroin use decades ago. Nothing would have stopped them self-destructing. Nothing. It it hadn't been heroin, it would have been something else. Booze or pain pills or meth or whatever. These are people with problems.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)Kaleva
(36,327 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,136 posts)I thought the exact same thing. And my wife is one of those people too, who ALWAYS have meds left when the prescription refill kicks in.
So, no abuse but a chronic need that becomes more inconvenient because of this grandstanding move.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)to alleviate pain from back trouble or whatever?
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)to suffer excruciating pain until they die. it's one thing if doctors can't cure you, but when they are perfectly able to at least relieve your pain, and they refuse to, that's indefensible, IMO.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)hospitals.
All Corporations should pay for Americas health care.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Drugs companies should be required to bankroll addiction treatment throughout the country
Bayard
(22,128 posts)The practice is to get the prescription for free, then sell the pills at high profit to other people.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)this lawsuit could be for publicity purposes. He is up for reelection and it looks good to go after the big drug companies. The big drug companies are assholes, but so is DeWine...
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)... on NPR. The segment said that in 2012, MD's in Ohio prescribed enough opioids to supply every man, woman and child in the state with 68 pills.
Some of that is because the drugs are making to the streets
Some is because patients are addicted and overusing...
Most of it, however, is simply because mfrs are paying MDs kickbacks based on quantities prescribed. It is incredibly lucrative for the suppliers, and the kickbacks to the MDs are unreal.
truthisfreedom
(23,152 posts)It's time for them to face the music.
Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)and the astute drug cartels are simply filling a need by selling heroin cheaper than black market OxyContin. One could make the argument the drug cartels should be paying the pharmaceutical companies and doctors a kickback.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)just as our last big heroin spike came during Vietnam, which was right next to the Golden Triangle.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)in River City.
I agree with you 100%.
Afghanistan is all about the poppy fields that the Taliban worked to destroy. Well, and the gemstones, natural gas, etc.
And Vietnam was for sure for the Golden Triangle.
Let's not forget about Noriega, who wouldn't co-operate.
The CIA and crack cocaine.
IOW, the one truism of our nation: Follow the money.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)big pharma is about as amoral and a part of Wall Street so...
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)I am going to have to watch this and see what happens. There have been major problems with prescribing opioids. Some of it has to do with overprescribing and lack of careful monitoring and some of it is due to abuse.
There is a monthly shot for opioid addiction called vivitrol. It was given to inmates to help with addiction. It's quite successful. But at $1000 a month, insurance wouldn't cover it upon release. And then the person was switched to a pill form because it waz cheaper but It's less effective. There is also probuphine, which is a small stick-like implant that lasts 6 months. It costs about $5000. Pill form is cheaper.
crim son
(27,464 posts)but they are controlled substances. Why hold the pharmaceutical companies responsible? Whatever their marketing campaign, it is the physician's decision to prescribe or not to prescribe. I understand the position those physicians find themselves in - my father, now retired, is a retired medical doctor - but this is a question about ethics, not marketing. Let's deal with Monsanto before we get on Allergan's ass.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)the people behind our drug laws are fucking monsters
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)There is no such accepted medical use for marijuana. At least federally.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)That's why people turn to it when their prescription oxy runs out, and why there is a heroin epidemic hitting lots of the country.
There is currently no accepted medical use for marijuana at the federal level.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)only began to alleviate.
What do politicians propose otherwise, whiskey and a belt to chew on?
Demsrule86
(68,637 posts)which is what will happen...the government just wants money...none of which will go to treating addicts...bt on it.