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Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:48 AM Jun 2017

State of Ohio Sues 5 Major Drug Companies for Fueling Opioid Epidemic

Source: NPR

The state of Ohio has sued five major drug manufacturers for their role in the opioid epidemic. In the lawsuit filed Wednesday, state Attorney General Mike DeWine alleges these five companies "helped unleash a health care crisis that has had far-reaching financial, social, and deadly consequences in the State of Ohio."

Named in the suit are:
◾Purdue Pharma
◾Endo Health Solutions
◾Teva Pharmaceutical Industries and subsidiary Cephalon
◾Johnson & Johnson and subsidiary Janssen Pharmaceuticals
◾Allergan

The lawsuit — only the second such suit filed by a state, after Mississippi did so earlier this year — accuses the companies of engaging in a sustained marketing campaign to downplay the addiction risks of the prescription opioid drugs they sell and to exaggerate the benefits of their use for health problems such as chronic pain.

Or, as DeWine's office put it in a press release Wednesday, the "lawsuit alleges that the drug companies engaged in fraudulent marketing regarding the risks and benefits of prescription opioids which fueled Ohio's opioid epidemic."


Read more: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/31/530929307/ohio-sues-5-major-drug-companies-for-fueling-opioid-epidemic

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State of Ohio Sues 5 Major Drug Companies for Fueling Opioid Epidemic (Original Post) Stuart G Jun 2017 OP
I just started hearing about this "opioid epidemic" recently. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #1
It should be noted Quackers Jun 2017 #2
All this means is people who have pain won't get pain meds...the opoid Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20
Not really ... PLEEEEEENTY of people hooked on opioid painkillers, the Rx Kind ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #23
I live in Ohio...most of the Doctors won't even give it...my sis had bad arthritis and has to take Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #24
Having done a few drugs back in the hippie days.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #26
Steet connections are very easy to get regardless of class if one is an addict. Kaleva Jun 2017 #40
Not me. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #52
You can buy such drugs in nice parts of town too. Kaleva Jun 2017 #55
Not me. It's just not that way across America. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #57
Not necessarily. I can tell you exactly where to go walk around in SF mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #46
Most people don't live in SF. We're talking middle class in middle America. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #51
You said 'middle class', you didn't stipulate 'also living in Middle BFE American ' mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #80
Are you at all serious in thinking most citizens in dire pain would ALSO like to WinkyDink Jun 2017 #60
Of Course Not ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #79
I doubt that most citizens would even think of "street connections" for pain relief. We tend WinkyDink Jun 2017 #59
I was wondering about that. If I would have a need... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #25
Not true. OUr overdose deaths are over 65... duhneece Jun 2017 #37
The deaths in my area are due to Heroin. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #43
I highly doubt your conclusion. People in pain don't go from Oxycodone to WinkyDink Jun 2017 #61
Exactly...this attempt to end pain relief for millions is stupid...as the epidemic is Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #67
More people died of overdoses last year than in car wrecks underpants Jun 2017 #4
and yet, nobody is in a state of hysteria over car wrecks; the "opioid epidemic" hysteria does nothi TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #34
ITA. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #62
Part of that is that deaths in car accidents continue to fall. LeftyMom Jun 2017 #70
That's true underpants Jun 2017 #73
In Ohio the problem has become more about fentanyl and carfentanil mama Jun 2017 #8
It's a big deal... Dopers_Greed Jun 2017 #9
THIS BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #12
But crack IS different from opiods. Crack is an illegal, street drug. Opiods are legal... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #15
What is happening now IS the creation of "illegal street drugs". BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #18
This article is from 2001 canetoad Jun 2017 #30
Interesting. +1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #32
In the town of Kermit, West Virginia, population 392, Staph Jun 2017 #16
I wonder how many diabetes pills that pharmacy sold. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #27
The town's population is 392. yardwork Jun 2017 #48
Apparently people from neighboring towns were going to that pharmacy. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #50
It's front and center because 33,000 people died from opioids in 2015 NobodyHere Jun 2017 #17
An estimated 88,000 people die from alcohol-related causes every year. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #28
oh, stop making sense... the opioid epidemic hysteria is just making it harder for people to get TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #35
LOL. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #39
It is a heroin epidemic with stuff added in. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #21
That's how a lot of people are dying, specifically, yes ... but that's not 'the epidemic' ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #45
This "epidemic" reminds me of the steroid "epidemic" that George Bush got fixated on.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #77
The use of prescription opioids in the US is out of control Julian Englis Jun 2017 #22
That's because the media waited until it snowballed into a crisis to report it. sandensea Jun 2017 #29
Read Sam Quinones' Dreamland, or check his podcasts, or these youtube clips, or others. mahina Jun 2017 #72
Stuart, DeWine is using this for jump starting his Governor campaign irisblue Jun 2017 #3
So now the US will go into reaction mode and people who need pain meds won't get them captain queeg Jun 2017 #5
When my father was dying of cancer he was given a bottle of liquid morphine. DK504 Jun 2017 #7
I just don't see why people think this is a big problem for the govt. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #31
Herion is making a comeback because of the crackdown on presription drugs. Kaleva Jun 2017 #42
Heroin is cheaper than black market OxyContin Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #49
People will find relief ...and if your pain is terrible you will do anything to stop it. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #68
My father was given the same thing. Kaleva Jun 2017 #41
Took The Words Right Out Of Fingers, Queeg ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #14
So I guess neighborhoods will have to start having their own local "chemist" Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #33
yep; i'm surprised that some of these terminal patients haven't gone postal on the docs forcing them TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #36
first EOs Obama did almost NINE YEARS AGO, addressed the RX drug problem and thefts from Veteran Sunlei Jun 2017 #6
It's about goddamn time Dopers_Greed Jun 2017 #10
Here is Opioid Town, KY Bayard Jun 2017 #11
There is a lot of addiction to prescription drugs, but I must add this about DeWine.. Stuart G Jun 2017 #13
I heard that yesterday evening... Whiskeytide Jun 2017 #19
Good. These pharmas are legally profiting from the same addiction that drug cartels create. truthisfreedom Jun 2017 #38
Actually, in rural areas the pharmaceutical companies and doctors have created the addiction... Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #44
You're not in severe pain, I'm betting. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #63
I thought it might be related to invading and occupying a major opium producing country yurbud Jun 2017 #47
Now see, this is the kind of CT thinking that can get a person in trouble, right here WinkyDink Jun 2017 #64
Yep. Wall Street wants it, drug dealers got it, and banks launder it...on the other hand... yurbud Jun 2017 #66
Interesting Lotusflower70 Jun 2017 #53
I am fortunate in that I have never had to rely on these meds crim son Jun 2017 #54
Heroin is legal and weed is a federal offense killbotfactory Jun 2017 #56
Heroin is legal?! WinkyDink Jun 2017 #65
There is an accepted medical use for opiods like heroin or oxycontin, yes. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #71
What?! Heroin is not used as medicine, and there IS medical marijuana. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #75
Heroin is essentially the same thing as oxycodone killbotfactory Jun 2017 #76
Describe it as you wish; the government and the law disagree. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #78
Ridiculous lawsuit. My mother, at 91, lived with excruciating pain that opioids WinkyDink Jun 2017 #58
I agree...it is ridiculous to sue and end help for thousands of Ohioans in pain Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #69
Too true, too true. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #74

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
1. I just started hearing about this "opioid epidemic" recently.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jun 2017

People have always misused prescription drugs. But just recently I started hearing about some opioid epidemic. Is this really a huge deal for the country? More so than other misuses of drugs in the past? Why is it suddenly front & center?

I'm suspicious of this sudden "epidemic" and its supposed sudden importance. I wonder if this is related to money for the government, or the GOP health care bill, or something like that.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
2. It should be noted
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jun 2017

There are issues with how the drug companies peddled certain pain meds as a cure-all and downplayed the addictive qualities associated with opiates.

However, it should be noted that attorney general Mike Dewine who is heading this case is also running for Ohio governor. So....

Demsrule86

(68,637 posts)
20. All this means is people who have pain won't get pain meds...the opoid
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 06:15 PM
Jun 2017

epidemic is heroin. In fact I think some who have pain turn to these drugs for relief.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. Not really ... PLEEEEEENTY of people hooked on opioid painkillers, the Rx Kind ...
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 06:56 PM
Jun 2017

And PLENTY of them have never done heroin.

Although, many (if not most) people badly strung out on opioids end up losing their jobs at some point (if they ever even had one) and often can't find another ... so unless they either have a really shady doctor that keeps them knee-deep in pills, OR they're already really rich before they get hooked on Rx opioids (such that they can afford street prices), good chance they'll eventually end up doing heroin, because the street price of heroin vs. efficacy/high is much much 'better'.

Thus in many many cases, people now on H, started on pills. So it's very much part of the 'epidemic'.

What really started this problem was a law passed in 2000 that made it obligatory for doctors to give you meds to 'relieve pain' ... if you say you have it. There's exceptions based on suspicion you're an addict, of course, but they needed to have some kind of proof ... their seeing track marks, or you're 'doctor-shopping', or constantly calling for your pain meds 'early', getting 'hurt' with an abnormal frequency, getting caught altering Rx's, that kind of thing.

Demsrule86

(68,637 posts)
24. I live in Ohio...most of the Doctors won't even give it...my sis had bad arthritis and has to take
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 07:10 PM
Jun 2017

celebrex which is not that good.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. Having done a few drugs back in the hippie days....
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:38 PM
Jun 2017

I can say that you have to have connections on the street to get hard drugs. If the description of opioid abusers is accurate (middle class & upper class people overdoing their prescription meds) is accurate, they wouldn't have street connections. Street connections (the kind that would have heroin) are not easy to come by for middle class people.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
40. Steet connections are very easy to get regardless of class if one is an addict.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

I haven't done drugs in decades but it'd be easier and cheaper for me to get herion then certain prescription drugs.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
52. Not me.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jun 2017

Those areas of town would be very dangerous. I'd get raped or murdered. They wouldn't sell to me, anyway. Here, you have to have someone vouch for you.

You're also more likely to find meth than heroin, I think.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
55. You can buy such drugs in nice parts of town too.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 11:14 PM
Jun 2017

I don't associate with people who deal drugs but I know some folks who do use them so I, if I ever were to want to, could talk to them to hook me up with one of their suppliers.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
46. Not necessarily. I can tell you exactly where to go walk around in SF
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

To cop Rx opioids like oxycontin, and I'd suppose smack too but not positive on that.

All you have to know is where to go walk around, which means you have to a) be reasonably near the place, and b) have someone tell you where it is. Dealers will spot you because you'll look out of place, and probably have a look of searching and desperation lol ...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
51. Most people don't live in SF. We're talking middle class in middle America.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:35 PM
Jun 2017

The parts of town I'd have to go to to find illegal drugs would land me in a grave, and they wouldn't sell someone like me something, anyway.

It's not easy.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
80. You said 'middle class', you didn't stipulate 'also living in Middle BFE American '
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:52 PM
Jun 2017

Yeah, if you're not near a larger city, it's harder w/o proper connects, no doubt.

I'm not going to have a long argument w/ya about this suffice to say it's not as hard to cop as you're thinking if you're near a big city and know where to go and something about what to do when you get there.

If you naturally emanate a 'cop-aura', though ... yeah that could be an issue. And you absolutely will get sold fake stuff occasionally, someone may take your money and give you back nothing, or even outright rob you. Sure, could happen.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
60. Are you at all serious in thinking most citizens in dire pain would ALSO like to
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:12 AM
Jun 2017

become felons?!

WTH kind of arguments are people positing here??

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
79. Of Course Not ...
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:22 PM
Jun 2017

That wasn't the point I was responding to ... I'm saying that all over larger America cities nowadays there's parts of town where anyone could go cop opioids, all they need is to be told where it is and be able to get there. You don't necessarily have to know a dealer, just need someone who knows where the dealers 'vend', and go hang out there and walking around, make eye contact with people you ordinarily might not, etc.

And you might think you'd end up dead cause they're not nice neighborhoods but believe it or not most people in bad neighborhoods where dope sales are common ... are more interested in selling you dope ... than murdering you in cold blood just for walking down their street. Def. have to be careful though about gettin' ripped off, though, sure.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
59. I doubt that most citizens would even think of "street connections" for pain relief. We tend
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:09 AM
Jun 2017

to look to our doctors.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. I was wondering about that. If I would have a need...
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jun 2017

and I don't have a history of taking prescription drugs, would I have trouble getting a pain med? How unfair if I can't because others have abused them.That's like refusing to serve me a drink because the guy at the end of the bar is an alcoholic.

duhneece

(4,116 posts)
37. Not true. OUr overdose deaths are over 65...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:58 AM
Jun 2017

...and they overdose, usually forgetting they've already taken them or too lonely to live. Or both.
I live in south-central New Mexico, near Alamogordo, NM.

Demsrule86

(68,637 posts)
43. The deaths in my area are due to Heroin.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jun 2017

And I believe many are because people can't get pain meds. Also three of my daughters classmates have died of Heroin overdoses in the last six month. I think that is the young playing around with drugs as they have always done...this is a lethal sort of Heroin.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
61. I highly doubt your conclusion. People in pain don't go from Oxycodone to
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:15 AM
Jun 2017

heroin, that is, to committing a felony, as a matter of course.

Demsrule86

(68,637 posts)
67. Exactly...this attempt to end pain relief for millions is stupid...as the epidemic is
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jun 2017

about heroin...but I think people do reach out to illegal drugs when they can find no pain relief at the Doctors...and much of the heroin epidemic in my view is untreated depression and mental illness...our mental health infrastructure is pretty much gone.

underpants

(182,866 posts)
4. More people died of overdoses last year than in car wrecks
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jun 2017

That's never happened before. Also, separately, more young people committed suicide than died in car wrecks. That too has never happened before.


It's really really bad and it's hitting middle America (farm country) and the under educated particularly hard.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
34. and yet, nobody is in a state of hysteria over car wrecks; the "opioid epidemic" hysteria does nothi
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:17 AM
Jun 2017

nothing but make it much harder for people who legitimately need it to get relief for their pain. it is complete bullsh*t.

mama

(164 posts)
8. In Ohio the problem has become more about fentanyl and carfentanil
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:41 AM
Jun 2017

I don't have time to refresh my memory on the history now, but I believe the attorney general's office went after the pill mill doctors a few years ago. Since the prescription drugs are no longer available, people go to the street. The dealers add either fentanyl or carfentanil (which is much stronger) to the pills and it's easier to accidentally overdose.
It's a very big problem in Ohio.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
9. It's a big deal...
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jun 2017

Because this "epidemic" affect mainly white people.

If it were contained to a minority group, then we'd be getting "tough on crime"

BumRushDaShow

(129,341 posts)
12. THIS
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 12:27 PM
Jun 2017

It's something that has impacted whites, across all socioeconomic groups.

When Crack was ravaging the black community (and in previous years heroin), users were locked up as part of a "War on Drugs™" in order to fill newly-built private prisons in rural areas, and "crack baby" became a pejorative to denigrate the entire community.

The fact that a fight had to occur to finally enact changes in sentencing guidelines via legislation for "powdered cocaine vs crack" (reducing from 100:1 to 18:1), underscores the racial divide.

Now....

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. But crack IS different from opiods. Crack is an illegal, street drug. Opiods are legal...
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jun 2017

it's the misuse of them that's the problem.

I thought there was also a difference between cocaine & crack. Crack is a rock form of cocaine, and has something removed, and is usually taken differently, I think.

If drs are pushing opioids, that's illegal. But if people are misusing their drugs, I think they're making their own choice. Not sure what other people can do about that. We are all free to self-destruct and have vices. Plenty of alcoholics self-destruct every day, and have been for decades. We tried prohibition, but it didn't work.

BumRushDaShow

(129,341 posts)
18. What is happening now IS the creation of "illegal street drugs".
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 04:38 PM
Jun 2017

Various "opiods" are mixed together and/or with other drugs (these new combinations NOT legally approved) for recreational use. It's not just people getting high off of oxycodone. Heroin is an "opiod" and is NOT legal, but is mixed with other synthetic opium-like drugs (including fentanyl more recently) for injection or other ingestion.

Crack is nothing but cocaine HCL with the hydrogen chloride molecule mostly removed (but not all as the process leaves quite a bit of residue), but both are still "cocaine" and both are "illegal".

So there really is no difference when it comes to addiction to these drugs except that when you're black, you go to jail and/or die on the street or in a cell, and when you are white, you now have a "Get out of jail free" card and help to break the addiction.

canetoad

(17,175 posts)
30. This article is from 2001
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:51 PM
Jun 2017

I remember being stunned by it's logic at the time. Long read but well worth it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/14/drugsandalcohol.socialsciences

Make heroin legal
Nick Davies

..snip

The core point is that the death and sickness and moral collapse which are associated with class A drugs are, in truth, generally the result not of the drugs themselves but of the black market on which they are sold as a result of our strategy of prohibition. In comparison, the drugs themselves are safe, and we could turn around the epidemic of illness and death and crime if only we legalised them. However, it is a contemporary heresy to say this, and so the overwhelming evidence of this war's self-destructive futility is exiled from almost all public debate now, just as it was when those congressmen met.

Take heroin as a single example. And it's a tough example. In medical terms, it is simply an opiate, technically known as diamorphine, which metabolises into morphine once it enters its user's body. But, in terms of the war against drugs, it is the most frightening of all enemies. Remember all that those congressmen were told about "the great peril". Remember the Thatcher government's multimillion pound campaign under the slogan "Heroin screws you up". Think of Tony Blair at the 1999 Labour party conference fulminating about the "drug menace" or of William Hague last year calling for "a stronger, firmer, harder attack on drugs than we have ever seen before". And now look at the evidence.

Start with the allegation that heroin damages the minds and bodies of those who use it, and consider the biggest study of opiate use ever conducted, on 861 patients at Philadelphia General hospital in the 20s. It concluded that they suffered no physical harm of any kind. Their weight, skin condition and dental health were all unaffected. "There is no evidence of change in the circulatory, hepatic, renal or endocrine functions. When it is considered that some of these subjects had been addicted for at least five years, some of them for as long as 20 years, these negative observations are highly significant."

Staph

(6,253 posts)
16. In the town of Kermit, West Virginia, population 392,
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jun 2017

one local pharmacy sold more than 9 million opioid pills in just two years. A reporter for the Charleston Gazette won the Pulitzer this year for his continuing reporting on the problem of Big Pharma dumping these drugs.

It's a complex problem. Do you blame the doctors writing the prescriptions, the pharmacists filling those scrips, or the drug companies who are pushing their drugs through advertising and promotional goodies for the doctors?



FYI -- In January of this year, Kermit announced that they are suing San Francisco-based McKesson Corporation, Pennsylvania-based AmerisourceBergen Drug Corporation, Ohio-based Cardinal health, Ohio-based Miami-Luken, South Carolina-based AD Smith Corporation and a former Kermit pharmacy, Sav-Rite Pharmacy. Other West Virginia cities and towns are already suing or planning to sue the same companies. The State of West Virginia has not discussed any legal suits, because the state's attorney general is a Republican clown who has connections to Cardinal Health, a Fortune 500 healthcare company specializing in drug distribution.


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. I wonder how many diabetes pills that pharmacy sold.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jun 2017

9 million opioid pills (I guess that means varying types of pain pills?) means nothing w/o something to compare it to.

What is the normal # of pills sold per pharmacy across the nation or in that city? What is the normal # of other kinds of pills sold per pharmacy in that city or the nation? How many pain pills did it sell 5 yrs ago?

Drs have started prescribing more of all kinds of pills, and people started asking for them with the pharma companies started advertising.

I hope I don't have trouble getting pain pills, if I need them at some point, because someone else abused them.

I don't see why this is a government problem any more than alcoholism is.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
50. Apparently people from neighboring towns were going to that pharmacy.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jun 2017

One pharmacy does not a crisis make.

I wonder how many diabetes pills that pharmacy sold. I wonder much booze that town sold.

Without having more information, it's hard to say. It could be the cheapest pharmacy for miles around.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
17. It's front and center because 33,000 people died from opioids in 2015
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 02:19 PM
Jun 2017

And that number probably grew.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. An estimated 88,000 people die from alcohol-related causes every year.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:45 PM
Jun 2017

What's the plan to combat alcoholism, since it's apparently a bigger problem than opioid use, if we go by deaths?

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
35. oh, stop making sense... the opioid epidemic hysteria is just making it harder for people to get
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:25 AM
Jun 2017

get relief for their pain. the way i see it, any one who prevents me from getting relief from my chronic, significant daily pain can pay my bills for the rest of my life, when i become completely unable to function.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
45. That's how a lot of people are dying, specifically, yes ... but that's not 'the epidemic' ...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jun 2017

The deaths are a subset (or perhaps an 'outgrowth') of the larger epidemic. The epidemic is the addiction and the high-availability. And folks are addicted to, and OD'ing on ... opioids in general, not just Heroin.

Broadly speaking, one could say opioids fall into these categories:

Rx-Meds that were legally prescribed to the person
Rx-Meds diverted from legit patients to Friends/Family, or the Street
Illegal - Heroin (with or without adulterants like Fentanyl), or fake Rx-looking pills that are usually made with Fentanyl rather than what they're represented as, typically hydro or oxycodone.

People are hooked on one or more of the above in particularly large numbers right now, and IIRC it started around 2000, when there was (I believe) some kind of federal law change that made doctors legally obligated to treat your pain (esp. chronic pain).

Believe it or not a plurality (if not a majority) of doctors were and still are of the opinion that managing chronic pain with opioids is a BAD idea, except in certain palliative situations.

This widespread belief is what directly led to the laws re: opioid distribution being so strict prior to around 2000. 5mg Vicodin (hydrocodone) or 5mg Percocet (oxycodone) with a big wallop of liver-killing acetaminophen were all you were getting outside hospital and even then often only when you had something very visibly painful like a broken arm, or when you went home from surgery.

Now they make up to 30mg instant release oxycodone that's pure dope, basically. And up to 80mg oxycontin that's 12 hr time-release (nowadays the formulation is difficult to tamper with, but from like 2000-2006 one could simply chew up and swallow, or crush the pill and sniff it, to defeat the mechanism).

Dilaudid (instant release hydromorphone) and Opana (time-release oxymorphone), again pure dope, no tylenol ... which are both just WICKED euphoric, and hence highly addictive, drugs ... are also being Rx'd to people with 'chronic pain', in fairly large numbers. Docs almost never gave those drugs out prior to around 2000 ... unless you were literally dying of cancer.

Basically, prior to around 2000, you might get 60 x 5mg Percocets a month if you found an understanding doctor, to take if and only if ... the pain gets really bad.

IOW, strong opioids were basically never given for 'chronic pain' symptoms to be taken round the clock ... something changed around 2000 (like I say I think there was some law change that brought it about), while at the same time, giving us WAY stronger Rx drugs/formulations and 'time release/pure opioid' pills that the Drug makers claimed wouldn't addict most people (just because of the time release? Yeah ... wrong.).

PLENTY of people OD on these newer formulations (Opana and Oxycontin being most common) and die ... probably not as many as w/heroin but it absolutely does happen. Because there's lots of dumb people out there. JimBob who's been hooked on pills for years and has massive tolerance hands little bro BillyJoe one of the Oxy 80's that he pops like candy. Now, BillyJoe has never had any dope before, he chews up the pill like his big bro does it, washes it down with a couple beers, and next thing you know the 16 percocets worth of Oxycodone in a OC80 hits him at once, mixed with the booze ... and he dies. This type of scenario plays out more than you'd think.

In the years prior to 2000, the main 'objection' to the idea of usage for managing chronic pain is that basically opioids don't work for very long before you have to increase dosages for comparable pain relief. After only a year or two (in some cases), people can end up on dosages that would kill a small roomful of opioid-naive people. Eventually they just plain don't work anymore at all for killing the pain.

At that point the patient is extremely physically (and probably psychologically) dependent on them, looking at horrible withdrawals unless they're very slowly weaned down, and even then, the final 'step' of quitting is very unpleasant.

Often times doctors will just suddenly decide they see signs of such patients being 'addicts' and then just cut 'em off cold. They then often then end up on heroin, or copping pills on the street or from family/friends. IOW, they proceed to act like an addict, whether they really 'are' one ... or not.

Whatever happened around 2000, big pharma got themselves a huge gift, and they've made Billion$ (maybe hundreds of them) off of the change that occurred, whilst basically creating a whole generation of addicts.

At least they were nice enough though in 2000 to add an allowance for another methadone-ish opioid, buprenorphine, which could be Rx'd by regular doctors (after a simple cert process) in an office setting for treating opioid addiction, unlike is the case with methadone.

It's ALMOST like they foresaw the epidemic, and their solution to that would be ... MORE OPIOID$! Woo-hoo! This one doesn't get you high, and blocks other opioids from getting you high, and requires a MASSIVE amount to OD and die from. But it's still packs a NASTY withdrawal esp. if you don't wean your dose down really low before quitting.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
77. This "epidemic" reminds me of the steroid "epidemic" that George Bush got fixated on....
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

and had Congress spend millions holding hearings about. Remember that? It was bizarre.

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
22. The use of prescription opioids in the US is out of control
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

The US uses 90% of the prescribed opioids in the world. Compared with Canada or the EU nations, the US use is off the chart. Worse, yet, the data show the US medical outcomes are far worse.

That's right--more drugs but worse outcomes.

sandensea

(21,650 posts)
29. That's because the media waited until it snowballed into a crisis to report it.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:49 PM
Jun 2017

Another legacy of Dubya's bad-faith Afghan invasion.

irisblue

(33,018 posts)
3. Stuart, DeWine is using this for jump starting his Governor campaign
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jun 2017

Ohio Democratic Party
Ohio Democratic Party Statement on DeWine’s Latest Announcement in Fight Against Opioid Epidemic

MAY 31, 2017SHARE ON TWITTER SHARE ON FACEBOOK
Overdose Deaths Have Escalated Under DeWine’s Failed Leadership, More Than 4,000 Ohioans Died From Overdoses In 2016
COLUMBUS — As the state’s top law enforcement officer, Attorney General Mike DeWine has watched as Ohio became the epicenter of the nation’s opioid epidemic, and as the local governments that are on the front lines of the crisis have had their budgets slashed by the state, crippling their ability to provide treatment and prevention.

Today’s announcement by DeWine is simply an attempt to get in front of an escalating crisis he has done so little about.

“We have the nation’s worst heroin crisis, and Mike DeWine has had his head firmly planted in the sand for the past six years as Ohio’s top law enforcement officer,” said Ohio Democratic Party Chairman David Pepper. “In his last campaign, after the crisis had already exploded, he launched endless town hall meetings about the heroin problem, but with little action to show for it. Then he said nothing as treatment was cut across the state.

“In 2016, DeWine convened an ‘emergency meeting’ on the crisis and said then that he thought the rate of overdose deaths was leveling off in Ohio, even though we led the nation in 2014. Now we know that an average of 11 Ohioans died every single day from drug overdoses last year. That was a 36 percent increase over the previous year. The state is still not undertaking real-time data tracking on the epidemic — Ohioans have to rely on newspapers to dig up more details on the epidemic than the attorney general himself can provide.

“DeWine’s call for litigation today is acting on a suggestion that Ohio Democrats have offered on multiple occasions, going back years. To solve this crisis, Ohio needs leaders who are ahead of the crisis, not years behind in their response.”

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This is a seriously cynically motivated action on his part.


captain queeg

(10,231 posts)
5. So now the US will go into reaction mode and people who need pain meds won't get them
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jun 2017

There is no doubt that opiates have been over prescribed, but now the government will be watching doctors so close they will be afraid to prescribe necessary meds. I have a friend with stage 4 cancer. His doctor told him he ought to get on hospice. He wanted to wait as long as possible to start taking pain meds. A couple weeks ago he finally decided he needed some, but no one would prescribe them even with his stage 4 diagnosis. He had to make a special trip to a city 70 miles away to see his oncologist to get a referral. I know it was part his fault for not dealing with it right away, but you'd think with a diagnosis like that his local doc would prescribe.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
7. When my father was dying of cancer he was given a bottle of liquid morphine.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:28 AM
Jun 2017

He used it maybe, maybe once a day. I doubt it was that much.

I have 4 herniated discs in my lower back have had surgery, more than once, and it took 3 years for my doctors to figure out what worked. Every single pill I took was strictly monitored by the DEA. Yeah, it's really strong stuff, but it merely dulls the pain for one day at a time. This isn't something I would wish on anyone, I can't vacuum my apartment with out having to lie down for hours.

I want to know WHY people aren't going after these doctors that are writing all these prescriptions. It's not like they can't find out who the 'scripts are coming from, all these drugs are regulated by the DEA and any doctor doing the right thing usually make their pain patients have to come in every month for a check up and to get a new 'script.

Where is the DEA??? This is 25% of the "war on drugs" and they are no where to be found. I don't think the drug companies have 100% culpability in this, there are regulations for this, where are the agents?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. I just don't see why people think this is a big problem for the govt.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:51 PM
Jun 2017

Alcoholism is as bad, if not worse. Heroin has been rampant for decades.

If people want to take pain pills, and they're legitimately prescribed, that's none of my business. People will find a way to self-medicate, if that's what they are intent on doing. We tried prohibition, we tried a war on drugs. You just can't legislate that away. People have always been doing this. Opium was a big problem in China centuries ago. It's not going away.

I knew a couple of people who died from heroin use decades ago. Nothing would have stopped them self-destructing. Nothing. It it hadn't been heroin, it would have been something else. Booze or pain pills or meth or whatever. These are people with problems.

ProfessorGAC

(65,136 posts)
14. Took The Words Right Out Of Fingers, Queeg
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jun 2017

I thought the exact same thing. And my wife is one of those people too, who ALWAYS have meds left when the prescription refill kicks in.

So, no abuse but a chronic need that becomes more inconvenient because of this grandstanding move.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. So I guess neighborhoods will have to start having their own local "chemist"
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jun 2017

to alleviate pain from back trouble or whatever?

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
36. yep; i'm surprised that some of these terminal patients haven't gone postal on the docs forcing them
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:31 AM
Jun 2017

to suffer excruciating pain until they die. it's one thing if doctors can't cure you, but when they are perfectly able to at least relieve your pain, and they refuse to, that's indefensible, IMO.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
6. first EOs Obama did almost NINE YEARS AGO, addressed the RX drug problem and thefts from Veteran
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jun 2017

hospitals.

All Corporations should pay for Americas health care.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
10. It's about goddamn time
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:45 AM
Jun 2017

Drugs companies should be required to bankroll addiction treatment throughout the country

Bayard

(22,128 posts)
11. Here is Opioid Town, KY
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jun 2017

The practice is to get the prescription for free, then sell the pills at high profit to other people.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
13. There is a lot of addiction to prescription drugs, but I must add this about DeWine..
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jun 2017

this lawsuit could be for publicity purposes. He is up for reelection and it looks good to go after the big drug companies. The big drug companies are assholes, but so is DeWine...

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
19. I heard that yesterday evening...
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 05:20 PM
Jun 2017

... on NPR. The segment said that in 2012, MD's in Ohio prescribed enough opioids to supply every man, woman and child in the state with 68 pills.

Some of that is because the drugs are making to the streets
Some is because patients are addicted and overusing...

Most of it, however, is simply because mfrs are paying MDs kickbacks based on quantities prescribed. It is incredibly lucrative for the suppliers, and the kickbacks to the MDs are unreal.

truthisfreedom

(23,152 posts)
38. Good. These pharmas are legally profiting from the same addiction that drug cartels create.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 05:31 AM
Jun 2017

It's time for them to face the music.

Brother Buzz

(36,456 posts)
44. Actually, in rural areas the pharmaceutical companies and doctors have created the addiction...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jun 2017

and the astute drug cartels are simply filling a need by selling heroin cheaper than black market OxyContin. One could make the argument the drug cartels should be paying the pharmaceutical companies and doctors a kickback.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
47. I thought it might be related to invading and occupying a major opium producing country
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:32 PM
Jun 2017

just as our last big heroin spike came during Vietnam, which was right next to the Golden Triangle.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
64. Now see, this is the kind of CT thinking that can get a person in trouble, right here
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:31 AM
Jun 2017

in River City.

I agree with you 100%.

Afghanistan is all about the poppy fields that the Taliban worked to destroy. Well, and the gemstones, natural gas, etc.

And Vietnam was for sure for the Golden Triangle.

Let's not forget about Noriega, who wouldn't co-operate.

The CIA and crack cocaine.

IOW, the one truism of our nation: Follow the money.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
66. Yep. Wall Street wants it, drug dealers got it, and banks launder it...on the other hand...
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:58 AM
Jun 2017

big pharma is about as amoral and a part of Wall Street so...

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
53. Interesting
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:54 PM
Jun 2017

I am going to have to watch this and see what happens. There have been major problems with prescribing opioids. Some of it has to do with overprescribing and lack of careful monitoring and some of it is due to abuse.

There is a monthly shot for opioid addiction called vivitrol. It was given to inmates to help with addiction. It's quite successful. But at $1000 a month, insurance wouldn't cover it upon release. And then the person was switched to a pill form because it waz cheaper but It's less effective. There is also probuphine, which is a small stick-like implant that lasts 6 months. It costs about $5000. Pill form is cheaper.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
54. I am fortunate in that I have never had to rely on these meds
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:18 AM
Jun 2017

but they are controlled substances. Why hold the pharmaceutical companies responsible? Whatever their marketing campaign, it is the physician's decision to prescribe or not to prescribe. I understand the position those physicians find themselves in - my father, now retired, is a retired medical doctor - but this is a question about ethics, not marketing. Let's deal with Monsanto before we get on Allergan's ass.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
71. There is an accepted medical use for opiods like heroin or oxycontin, yes.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jun 2017

There is no such accepted medical use for marijuana. At least federally.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
76. Heroin is essentially the same thing as oxycodone
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 04:39 PM
Jun 2017

That's why people turn to it when their prescription oxy runs out, and why there is a heroin epidemic hitting lots of the country.

There is currently no accepted medical use for marijuana at the federal level.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
58. Ridiculous lawsuit. My mother, at 91, lived with excruciating pain that opioids
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:06 AM
Jun 2017

only began to alleviate.

What do politicians propose otherwise, whiskey and a belt to chew on?

Demsrule86

(68,637 posts)
69. I agree...it is ridiculous to sue and end help for thousands of Ohioans in pain
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:10 AM
Jun 2017

which is what will happen...the government just wants money...none of which will go to treating addicts...bt on it.

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