Ben Carson: Homeless shelters shouldn't be 'comfortable settings' or else people might just stay..
Source: RawStory
Ben Carson: Homeless shelters shouldnt be comfortable settings or else people might just stay in them
BRAD REED
03 MAY 2017 AT 08:43 ET
Ben Carson, the secretary of the Housing and Urban Development, is reportedly obsessed with making sure low-income residents living in government-sponsored housing arent enjoying themselves too much.
A new report from the New York Times reveals that Carson this week visited a homeless shelter in Ohio and was plainly happy after he saw that it had stacked dozens of bunk beds inside and
purposefully did not provide televisions so that residents there wouldnt get too comfortable.
Elsewhere, Carson expressed consternation that an apartment complex for veterans was so well heeled, as he remarked that it lacked only pool tables. Carson obsessively makes sure that poor people who get government assistance dont have things too good, the Times notes, because he believes that making life too comfortable for them would create a sense of dependence.
A comfortable setting
would make somebody want to say: Ill just stay here. They will take care of me,' Carson explained. However, many residents and housing officials in the buildings that Carson toured this week dismissed his appearance there as a dog-and-pony show.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/ben-carson-homeless-shelters-shouldnt-be-comfortable-settings-or-else-people-might-just-stay-in-them/
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)Does RW religion make someone this evil, or does it just attract people who are this evil?
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)ExciteBike66
(2,360 posts)from using shelters...
NCjack
(10,279 posts)to police jails and apply for admittance to spend the night. That will teach the consequences of being poor.
underpants
(182,848 posts)Whether it's in prison or jails or homeless shelters, Tepublucans repeatedly act like as long as you have TV nothing could possibly be wrong.
dalton99a
(81,543 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)and has no business leading this agency. It's galling.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)and he's just back on your door step tomorrow for another hand out. His Alzheimer disease went on and on and on,he was sooooo deserving.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)When somehow they manage to get a job paying subsistence slave wages without TV and comforts until the day they fall over dead, you don't want anyone looking back nostalgically at their days in a 'homeless center,' wondering !
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are working to destroy them from within. Critical processes and procedures are dismantled (or merely corrupted as a first stage), good people identified and targeted for removal, of course funds cut and remaining funds misallocated. Everything to keep the agencies from doing their jobs, thus destroying public confidence in its ability to do so, thus destroying opposition to losing them.
Look at this play out at the VA. Deliberately and chronically underfunded by the GOP-controlled congrses, the VA has had to freeze hiring and, for instance, is unable to hire more psychiatrists and social workers even while provocateurs spread criticism for not doing more to bring down the appalling suicide rate among vets.
And now Rump's administration's just formed a new department to "protect" whisleblowers, i.e., ramp up the supply of ammunition for those working to destroy it, such as the Kochs' "Concerned Veterans for America" and ultraconservative, anti-VA media. It, of course, will be created and be staffed by diverting funds away from medical and psychiatric care.
Btw, Obama is heavily involved in forming a group of attorneys who are monitoring for actually illegal activities and heading to court to stop them.
jazzcat23
(176 posts)I didn't know about Obama doing this, but I am so glad to hear it! Even with his help, we are going to be so screwed by the end of this year, we may never get our country back! Democracy is dead now and the trump-lovers are responsible for killing it. I can't wait till they start crying over how bad their lives have become, because I will be out there saying "You voted for it!" every chance I get. When I think about how bad they treated Obama, I just want to strangle them. Republiconz suck!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Dead," "broken," "corrupt," "lost" is what the enemies of democracy have worked very long and hard to make people believe. If true, there would be nothing for Obama's group -- or especially us, the people -- to protect, would there? They convinced people to vote for them to "save" and "restore" democracy from the corrupt ruins Democrats brought it to. They'll "restore," all right, into something a lot more like an authoritarian corporate fascist state.
To that end, they insist everything in their way is already broken and corrupt--and must be swept away and rebuilt.
Like the Constitution--which they pretend has already been warped into something it was never meant to be,
The election process--which they pretend is horribly corrupt and keeps electing Democrats against the will of the people,
The independent workings of the three branches of government--which were created to govern of, by and for the people and to protect people from tyranny of the majority.
All the programs that serve the people in general--which they insist are all failing,
The Democratic Party--which is completely in their way and which they insist is corrupt and "out of touch" with the people.
Uhuh. Many of the people who elected those villains believe all those lies.
Obama's group is also called "United to Protect Democracy." But they really mean to protect democracy.
United to Protect Democracy is a nonpartisan nonprofit with an urgent goal: to hold the President and the Executive Branch accountable to the laws and longstanding practices that have protected our democracy through both Democratic and Republican Administrations. We have seen an unprecedented tide of authoritarian-style politics sweep the country that is fundamentally at odds with the Bill of Rights, the constitutional limitations on the role of the President, and the laws and unwritten norms that prevent overreach and abuse of power. The only limits to prevent a slide away from our democratic traditions will be those that are imposed by the Courts, Congress, and the American people.
Who Are We?
United to Protect Democracy was conceived by a group of former White House and Administration lawyers and experienced constitutional litigators, all with a deep understanding of how the federal government works. As we were the ones tasked with implementing and enforcing the norms that have constrained presidential power for decades, we know what those guardrails are and when those in power may be tempted to violate them. As we defended past presidents against legitimate oversight and illegitimate attacks, we also know how to leverage tools outside government to prevent the exploitation of power within it. One thing that we know about those tools, however, is they require an engaged publicthey require all of us to unite to make them effective.
What Will United to Protect Democracy Do?
We will monitor, investigate, report on, organize and litigate against any action taken by the Executive Branch that could erode the rules, practices and freedoms that underpin our ability as a self-governing people to hold our leaders accountable. In short, we will unite with Americans from all backgrounds to use every tool at our disposal to protect our democracy.
The lawyers have gotten hard to work, and this link is to their page describing 16 actions they're heavily involved in. No doubt many more are in the works.
https://unitedtoprotectdemocracy.org/
The Mouth
(3,161 posts)trusty elf
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LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)Unsuccessfully.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)Lots of homeless veterans. Support the troops and screw the vets, is the the Republicon motto.
trusty elf
(7,398 posts)for this shit.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)So many good outcomes from stable housing.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7759912
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Something few, if any, Republicans are interested in considering on any subject especially when it concerns poor people in our society.
Thank you for bringing facts HERE, though.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,433 posts)Can't let them get too comfortable, or they might actually sleep.
Oh. And they don't need any income for food. Dumpsters are the cornucopia of the homeless.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)be fucking with veterans I wonder. I think I'll soon be losing, under this administration, my bene's for serving in another hypocritical war that wasted many, many lives in the name of "truth, justice and the ameriKKKan way"....:
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)the poorest of the poor ! Thank goodness you are on their case. That will be all, thank you, Benjamin. Pray that what goes round doesn't come round for you. Remember the words of scripture : 'Do not oppress the orphan and the widow (the poor man), or the Lord God will require you life of you.' But what am I saying....? Your country needs you, Benjamin, above all, to sort out those durned indigents.
On a more serious note, the curious thought occurred to me yesterday that the people rendered homeless by the endlessly villainous schemes of late capitalism's worldling Haves, have already suffered a nuclear holocaust - just peripheral enough for them to have survived in what for them would be a 'Mad Max' world.
http://good-works.net/newsletters-articles-and-bible-studies/the-widow-the-orphan-and-the-stranger/
hunter
(38,322 posts)Assholes like Carson believe that homeless, addicted, or mentally ill people suffer because some petty mean-spirited god doesn't like them.
his bathrobe buddy is a mean guy but he helps Carson think up this crap...
2naSalit
(86,691 posts)after all.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)he's no doubt fully on board with unlimited tax cuts for the wealthy, because they are dog's deserving.
Whereas, according to Uncle Ben, the poor are the undeserving who should suffer for not being the annointed.
Never mind that capitalism has shipped the jobs overseas or that many of the veterans are no longer able to work, after having been used up by the military.
More evidence of the rampant cruelty and unChristian values of this maladmin.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)IronLionZion
(45,474 posts)that's what this is all about. Some folks need to bring others down to feel successful. Republicans always think they worked hard to deserve everything they have while others are lazy and worthless and need to suffer. God wants some people to be prosperous while others can go die in a ditch.
If Repubs are so jealous of the unemployed, they should quit their jobs and try living on these fabulously mythical benefits and see how it really is.
Somebody's getting something they don't deserve...
procon
(15,805 posts)They aren't happy unless they can demean the most vulnerable among us and humiliate them just for being poor and destitute. Republicans would deny the poor everything but the absolute minimum necessities for subsistence living. When a person has nothing, Republicans believe that they don't deserve anything "good", not a decent bed or even a safe place to sit and rest in comfort or maybe watch a little TV.
onenote
(42,724 posts)What a flippin' imbecile.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,783 posts)What's wrong with a crap-stained concrete floor?
onenote
(42,724 posts)orangecrush
(19,586 posts)And throw vile shitbags like Carson out with him.
Javaman
(62,531 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)productive.
Ben, you have wasted all that taxpayer-subsidized education and now you don't do anything but hang out in government subsidized housing and expect government perqs for for wandering around making observations.
I guess you are the best argument for your case.
Cure:
1. Do something productive
2. Sell the house with the comfy furnishings
3. Spartanize your government office
Bayard
(22,119 posts)Are there no prisons? No workhouses?
And why would you not want Veterans to be comfortable and well taken care of? Dems should be all over that.
jazzcat23
(176 posts)How about we start calling our Dems again, and letting them know it's time to get serious and fight this! Democrats have got to STOP being nice and start using our enemies (republicons) tactics to fight back. They won't do it until their offices have been barraged with more calls. I'm ready!
pstokely
(10,530 posts)and cable?
irisblue
(33,010 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)Republicans are so very quick to jump at the chance to put our troops in great danger but then are so darn stingy when those same troops come home.
IMO people that risk their families, health and very lives to serve our country deserve so much better and for that matter so do their spouses and children.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)just might want to stay longer.....
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Oh yeah,many have horse riding too.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Sadly, it's obviously so poorly appointed that it doesn't induce you to STAY THERE where you belong. Idiot. How's about liquidating some of the glitz in your shelter and giving the proceeds to the poor? Or have you forgotten that directive? Could you slide thru the eye of a needle as easily and effortlessly as you make yourself look stupid???
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)"..make not the poor comfy, for then thou shalt never be rid of them. Nay, place nettlee within their mattresses lest they sleep too well upon thine dime. " Carson 5:2
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)blizzards and freezing cold weather because the shelters were so horrible. What an idiot.
Doodley
(9,107 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Where does Ben come up with this sh*t? Oh yeah..........
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Hard to imagine a more tone-deaf, ignorant politician.
Oh, wait...
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)A large majority of people in homeless shelters are kids! Another large majority are veterans, we owe both of those groups better than that. If he has his way it will be like debtors prison used to be in England. What an asshole!
Cha
(297,430 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)It is now casually said that we must "make life harder" for the poor, the immigrants, POC, basically anyone not already privileged. It now passes as just a normal thing to say. Jail them, shoot them, bomb them, kick them out on the streets, test them for drugs and make them pay for it..... when does this stop?
I have actually worked with the poor, both at jobs side by side, and as a volunteer in the shelters trying to help. There are nearly as many reasons that people are poor as there are poor people. It is usually a complex of things just with any one person.
However one of the biggest and most common bits is the problem with just how little difference actually working makes in their lives. Get employed at minimum wage and every expense in life goes up more than enough to consume every last nickel you make and more.
Now the republican solution to this is to make unemployment and homelessness more painful, so slave wages will look better by comparison. The problem is that that they do not understand how bad these folks have it even when working. You materially cannot make their situation worse beyond the margins as it is profoundly desperate either way as it is.