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riversedge

(70,239 posts)
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:43 PM Apr 2017

Its official: Top psychiatrists at Yale conference warn that Trump has a dangerous mental illnes

Source: Raw Story




21 Apr 2017 at 11:58 ET



35 psychiatrists this week gathered at a conference at Yale to sound the alarm on what they believe is President Donald Trump’s “dangerous mental illness.”

Per The Independent, the psychiatrists met at Yale’s School of Medicine on Thursday to talk about Donald Trump’s mental health, which they warned was frighteningly unstable.

“We have an ethical responsibility to warn the public about Donald Trump’s dangerous mental illness,” said Dr. John Gartner, a practicing psychotherapist who advised psychiatric residents at Johns Hopkins University Medical School and who has in the past warned Trump is a “psychiatric Frankenstein monster.”

Gartner and other psychiatrists at the conference argued that Trump suffers from a particularly malignant case of pathological narcissism, which makes him a danger to the country and the world.

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Psychiatrists Warn President Trump Is 'Paranoid' and 'Delusional'
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They say it’s their “ethical responsibility” to warn Americans about the President's state of mind. And they believe he is “paranoid” and “delusional.” Josh King has the story (@abridgetoland).



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Its official: Top psychiatrists at Yale conference warn that Trump has a dangerous mental illnes (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2017 OP
I don't know if that makes me feel better or worse... CTyankee Apr 2017 #1
Are we sure this is a medical condition? MindPilot Apr 2017 #2
that too. riversedge Apr 2017 #5
No, it is not "official" SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #16
So what does a Democratic society do with someone with mental illness leading the country? YOHABLO Apr 2017 #3
What the Founding Fathers never imagined was that majority leadership of the House and the Senate tanyev Apr 2017 #6
No kidding. I could have told them this a year ago. MelissaB Apr 2017 #4
he is free to prove them wrong. he can submit to an actual mopinko Apr 2017 #7
BFD. Sad to say, but this isn't news. RainCaster Apr 2017 #8
Welcome to DU, RainCaster! calimary Apr 2017 #10
I'm not sure I'm comfortable with making a clinical diagnosis without having evaluated... EarthFirst Apr 2017 #9
Ah, the voice of reason. nocalflea Apr 2017 #14
40 years of behavior documented visually on TV and video, Hortensis Apr 2017 #15
Excellent statement, I agree 1000%. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #27
Well said! NoodleyAppendage Apr 2017 #30
The American Psychiatric Association's "Goldwater rule" OKIsItJustMe Apr 2017 #17
Then they ought to say, it seems, that it is incumbent on him to sit for a test by a panel of JudyM Apr 2017 #22
"A duty to warn the public"---- BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #11
That, my good fellow, is up to the extremely capable body politic. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #13
Yeah, that's the problem. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #24
Warn your Senators and House member OKIsItJustMe Apr 2017 #18
Lucky thing my rep and senators are great Dems. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #25
Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference OKIsItJustMe Apr 2017 #12
The Republicans are more than happy to have him there, as long as he will sign their legislation Judi Lynn Apr 2017 #19
Exactly. Drumpt is the rethug Bonzo the autopen. kairos12 Apr 2017 #20
Exactly so. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #26
no shit. barbtries Apr 2017 #21
It was fucking stupid when Bill Frist practiced telemedicicine on Terry Schaivo. X_Digger Apr 2017 #23
Too little too late, docs PJMcK Apr 2017 #28
Water is also wet Gothmog Apr 2017 #29

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
16. No, it is not "official"
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:38 PM
Apr 2017

It is a tenet of law, and in the psychiatric code of ethics, that no one can be diagnosed other than in person.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
3. So what does a Democratic society do with someone with mental illness leading the country?
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:00 PM
Apr 2017

If he's mentally ill, then that would be reason to either step down, or be impeached and removed. I know Abraham Lincoln suffered from depression but ''pathological narcissism" ? Wow, the Founding Fathers never could have imagined something of this sort and probably didn't have a clue as to how to deal with it legislatively. How many thousands of psychiatrists must sit down in front of Congress and declare him incompetent?

tanyev

(42,559 posts)
6. What the Founding Fathers never imagined was that majority leadership of the House and the Senate
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:41 PM
Apr 2017

would either be complicit or turn a blind eye to an obviously unfit candidate because of their own obsessive lust for power.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
7. he is free to prove them wrong. he can submit to an actual
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:43 PM
Apr 2017

physical exam, for one thing. an mri of his head, imho, would show a whole lot of holes.
he can take a neuropsyche exam. no doubt he would try to bluff his way through the psyche part. they arent really accurate if the person doesnt want an honest answer. but the neuro part? he would flunk bigly.

why we dont require candidate for prez to show themselves to ACTUALLY be fit for office is beyond me.

calimary

(81,298 posts)
10. Welcome to DU, RainCaster!
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:56 PM
Apr 2017

That's sad but true.

Nothing of which we haven't been painfully well aware for quite some time.

For the GOP, though, it's a CLASSIC case of "be careful what you wish for, because you might get it."

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
9. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with making a clinical diagnosis without having evaluated...
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:46 PM
Apr 2017

the individual.

This has the potential to set bad precedent.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
14. Ah, the voice of reason.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:13 PM
Apr 2017

You're right of course. There are many opinions out there about Trump - from this (above) to dementia and back again . The only one I haven't heard is traumatic brain injury.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. 40 years of behavior documented visually on TV and video,
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:32 PM
Apr 2017

on radio and other recordings, his own written statements, court records (over 3500 court records!), statements by many people who knew and worked with him for years, biographers sanctioned by Rump to follow him around and observe his day to day behavior for months and even years?

Do we really think psychiatrists who spend 45 minutes interviewing a total stranger can make a more reliable clinical diagnosis than those who have this wealth of information on decades of Trump's behavior available to them?

What is a bad precedent is their devastating refusal to do their duty. And the enormous hypocrisy of claiming "ethics" did not allow them to!!! Unbelievable -- "ethics" did not allow them to make even a general statement of what virtually every mental health professional in the nation knew, including my half sister who is a psychologist: That this man at very least has an extremely serious personality disorder of the cluster B type. Now, after he's taken office, they're saying it not just that but an even more dangerous, "malignant" type.

This industry as a whole watched classic symptoms and symptom patterns, some far more complex and/or subtle that most people know to watch for, play out for over a year and DID NOTHING, not even state their observations in general terms while withholding a specific diagnosis.

Cowardly, unethical bastards! They completely failed their duty to their nation. If not them, who?

NoodleyAppendage

(4,619 posts)
30. Well said!
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:04 AM
Apr 2017

Trump is most certainly within a Cluster B Personality Disorder and it doesn't take a clinical interview to ascertain it. What would one glean from a clinical interview that would refute decades of public statements and observable behavior?

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
17. The American Psychiatric Association's "Goldwater rule"
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:44 PM
Apr 2017
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html
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Responding to the criticism, Dr Gartner said: “This notion that you need to personally interview someone to form a diagnosis actually doesn’t make a whole lotta sense. For one thing, research shows that the psychiatric interview is the least statistical reliable way to make a diagnosis.”

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JudyM

(29,250 posts)
22. Then they ought to say, it seems, that it is incumbent on him to sit for a test by a panel of
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:55 PM
Apr 2017

reputable expert diagnosticians.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
13. That, my good fellow, is up to the extremely capable body politic.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:10 PM
Apr 2017

And you know how capable the Republican Party is, don't you?

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
12. Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:05 PM
Apr 2017
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference[/font]

[font size=4]Mental health experts say President is 'paranoid and delusional'[/font]

May Bulman

[font size=3]Donald Trump has a “dangerous mental illness” and is not fit to lead the US, a group of psychiatrists has warned during a conference at Yale University.

Mental health experts claimed the President was “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.

Speaking at the conference at Yale’s School of Medicine on Thursday, one of the mental health professionals, Dr John Gartner, a practising psychotherapist who advised psychiatric residents at Johns Hopkins University Medical School, said: “We have an ethical responsibility to warn the public about Donald Trump's dangerous mental illness.”

Dr Gartner, who is also a founding member of Duty to Warn, an organisation of several dozen mental health professionals who think Mr Trump is mentally unfit to be president, said the President's statement about having the largest crowd at an inauguration was just one of many that served as warnings of a larger problem.

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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
19. The Republicans are more than happy to have him there, as long as he will sign their legislation
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:50 PM
Apr 2017

no matter what he does, or what he is.

They don't give a ####.

They are diseased, themselves. Born without conscience, born without character, born without honor to piles of skin-covered garbage.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
21. no shit.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:37 PM
Apr 2017

this has been so obvious for so long. sad thing is, the country is sick too. that anybody would support him is bad enough, but it numbers in the millions. we are a very sick country.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
28. Too little too late, docs
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:17 PM
Apr 2017

There is nothing in Donald Trump's behavior since he was inaugurated that has changed from before he announced he was running for president. Nothing.

These doctors are a bit late in warning the country about the dangers that this man's psychology present. Why didn't they speak up earlier? What good does their remote diagnosis do for us at this late date. It might have been helpful to the broader public to hear these august observations before voters went to the polls. Now, their conference-- at Yale, no less-- is nothing but ivory tower navel-gazing. Thanks, docs.

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