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TexasTowelie

(112,248 posts)
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 06:55 AM Apr 2017

Russia tests American airspace for the second time in two days, coming even closer

Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

For the second time in as many days, Russian bombers have breached the Alaskan Air Defense Zone and flown inside of 100 miles of American airspace.

This time, two TU-95 Bear bombers — the same types of planes spotted yesterday, if not the same ones — came within 36 miles of American airspace, report CNN and Fox News. Unlike yesterday’s incident, the two bombers were intercepted by an E-3 Sentry surveillance aircraft. Yesterday’s bombers were met by a pair of F-22 Raptors.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has said that relations with Russia are at a “low point.”

Like yesterday’s provocation, the bombers launched from airbases in eastern Russia, flying over the Pacific Ocean into the Alaskan Air Defense Zone. The Alaskan Air Defense Zone is over international waters but is an area so close to U.S. shores that all aircraft entering that airspace are required to identify themselves and state their destination.


Read more: http://www.ajc.com/news/national/russia-tests-american-airspace-for-the-second-time-two-days-coming-even-closer/lMdS234peSy8PW7CGN0tbO/

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Russia tests American airspace for the second time in two days, coming even closer (Original Post) TexasTowelie Apr 2017 OP
"Intercepted" by an intellegence gathering E-3???? TexasProgresive Apr 2017 #1
I thiink it is all theater to deflect doc03 Apr 2017 #3
Of course it is. truthisfreedom Apr 2017 #5
+1 harun Apr 2017 #27
If Russia decides to attack us hack89 Apr 2017 #4
The incursions are to test our air defense capabilities which have failed. TexasProgresive Apr 2017 #6
Isn't demonstrating all our capabilities to intelligence gathering aircraft a bad thing? hack89 Apr 2017 #9
Who is specifically arguing that it would? LanternWaste Apr 2017 #33
Read the post I was responding to hack89 Apr 2017 #34
Sarah Palin could see them from doc03 Apr 2017 #2
She probably called Orangey Plucketeer Apr 2017 #12
They are his planes now not ours nt doc03 Apr 2017 #20
Bet that Exxon business deal goes through, though. ananda Apr 2017 #7
the bigger question is: Javaman Apr 2017 #8
We don't overfly Russia hack89 Apr 2017 #10
We did so with the U-2 and the SR-71 Plucketeer Apr 2017 #11
We stopped overflights in 1960 hack89 Apr 2017 #13
And you believe this 'cause our government told you? nt Plucketeer Apr 2017 #14
No. Just a long military career with radars and missiles hack89 Apr 2017 #16
Satellites ARE overflights RainCaster Apr 2017 #15
Outer space is not subject to national jurisdiction hack89 Apr 2017 #17
They do this all the time, those Russian Bear bombers haven't changed since the 60's Baclava Apr 2017 #18
That looks like a monster but must be slow nt doc03 Apr 2017 #21
A bit over 500 mph sarisataka Apr 2017 #22
Really noisey too. oneshooter Apr 2017 #24
Are they still flying the Blackjack? Baclava Apr 2017 #25
I don't know. oneshooter Apr 2017 #31
Sources vary on how many sarisataka Apr 2017 #36
Not changed since the 60's? VMA131Marine Apr 2017 #28
The B2 is our long range bomber now Baclava Apr 2017 #30
Not really! there are four to five times as many B-52s active as B-2's VMA131Marine Apr 2017 #32
The media is using these not unusual flights as linkbait Goprox Apr 2017 #35
Russian jets buzzed one of our destroyers a short while back. keithbvadu2 Apr 2017 #19
the last time we played this game bluecollar2 Apr 2017 #23
They have been doing this for years. It's not new news. YOHABLO Apr 2017 #26
One day, way back in 1967, a TU-95 Bear MineralMan Apr 2017 #29

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. "Intercepted" by an intellegence gathering E-3????
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 07:17 AM
Apr 2017

What the Hell was an unarmed plane suppose to do if the Bears pushed further-take pictures of the TU-95s dropping their bombs? Where were the hot birds with the ability to put these bombers down if they proved to be a real threat? Who is running our military, a buffoon in chief.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
6. The incursions are to test our air defense capabilities which have failed.
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 07:44 AM
Apr 2017

Putin has been doing this to Britain and Sweden. It is a flexing of muscle. Evidently we are not up to scratch. Oh! maybe the buffoon is attempting to play chess with the Russian.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. Isn't demonstrating all our capabilities to intelligence gathering aircraft a bad thing?
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 09:48 AM
Apr 2017

wouldn't we want to ensure that we had unknown capabilities they couldn't plan for and possibly neutralize?

The aircraft were under surveillance. They were not a threat.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. Who is specifically arguing that it would?
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 11:44 AM
Apr 2017

Who is specifically arguing that it would? Or were you simply interpreting a wholly different sentiment as such...?

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
8. the bigger question is:
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 09:24 AM
Apr 2017

have we stopped "testing" their airspace.

given the orange menaces cozy relationship with putin, did he, tRump, stop our overflights of russia?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
11. We did so with the U-2 and the SR-71
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:21 AM
Apr 2017

And if the rumors are true about the super-secret Aurora aircraft, we're still doing it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. We stopped overflights in 1960
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:29 AM
Apr 2017

after the Powers incident. We never overflew Russia with SR-71's. Aurora (if it exists) is not magic - it would have been detected flying over Russia.

With satellites there is no need for risky overflights.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. No. Just a long military career with radars and missiles
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:49 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Thu Apr 20, 2017, 02:16 PM - Edit history (1)

I have personally tracked SR-71s. It was not hard.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. Outer space is not subject to national jurisdiction
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:52 AM
Apr 2017

Illegal atmospheric overflights are violations of national sovereignty. Space overflights are not.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
24. Really noisey too.
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 02:18 PM
Apr 2017

The tips of the contra rotating props are going faster than sound. This creates a LOT of noise. Our subs can actually track them on acoustics from under water.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
36. Sources vary on how many
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 12:13 PM
Apr 2017

Are in service. Russia is the only country flying the Blackjack with 11-16 airframes. Servicability is estimated between 50 and 75%.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
28. Not changed since the 60's?
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 03:15 PM
Apr 2017

You know that these are still frontline equipment with the USAF right? And these first flew in the early 50's.




The weapons, on the other hand, have improved dramatically.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
32. Not really! there are four to five times as many B-52s active as B-2's
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 08:55 PM
Apr 2017

The B-2 is also outnumbered by the B-1B.

 

Goprox

(78 posts)
35. The media is using these not unusual flights as linkbait
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 12:04 PM
Apr 2017

It generates readership, retweets and income.

keithbvadu2

(36,828 posts)
19. Russian jets buzzed one of our destroyers a short while back.
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:30 AM
Apr 2017

Russian jets buzzed one of our destroyers a short while back.

What did wussie Trump do about it?

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
23. the last time we played this game
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 01:33 PM
Apr 2017

Korean Airlines FLIGHT 007 was shot down and I spent a bunch of time on Ready Alert replenishing sonobuoys on our squadron's P-3s...

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
29. One day, way back in 1967, a TU-95 Bear
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 03:21 PM
Apr 2017

did a very, very low overflight of the tiny USAF base where I was stationed on the Black Sea Coast in Turkey. I happened to be outside that afternoon, and heard it approach. It couldn't have been more than 1000' up above the base. It passed over, turned 180 degrees, passed back over, and headed back over the Black Sea in a fairly steep climb. Shortly thereafter a couple of Turkish Air Force jets flew over, following its flight path. I waved. I'm sure there's a photo of that somewhere.

Now, I can't say why the Russians would overfly that little base of about 600 people. I know why, but I can't say.

Sadly, I was not carrying my camera at the time. I would love to have a photo to share. I do suspect that communications were made from that base to a higher authority to report the overflight. Yes, indeed.

Fun times!

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