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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:38 PM Jul 2012

Justice Department Investigates Pennsylvania Voter ID Law

Source: Talking Points Memo

Justice Department Investigates Pennsylvania Voter ID Law

The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division has launched a formal investigation into whether Pennsylvania’s voter ID law discriminates against minorities, TPM has learned.

In a letter to Pennsylvania officials on Monday, the Justice Department requested state data on registered voters as well as the state’s list of individuals with driver’s licenses and ID cards.

Pennsylvania has said that over 750,000 voters lack an adequate form of voter ID, a number greater than President Obama’s margin of victory in the state in 2008. One top Republican even said the voter ID law would help Mitt Romney win the state. As TPM reported, the public relations firm contracted to educate the public about the new voter ID law is stacked with Republicans.

DOJ’s probe marks the first time it has publicly acknowledged a formal investigation of a voter ID law passed in a state which is not covered by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which requires certain states with a history of racial discrimination to have changes to their voting laws precleared. The Pennsylvania investigation falls under Section 2 of the VRA, which prohibits any state from enacting a “voting standard, practice, or procedure that results in the denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen to vote on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group.”

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Justice Department Investigates Pennsylvania Voter ID Law (Original Post) kpete Jul 2012 OP
very happy to hear this CatWoman Jul 2012 #1
Oh Lord please please Riverman100 Jul 2012 #3
Good! Lugnut Jul 2012 #2
Until mintories have equal access to drivers licenses... gregoire Jul 2012 #4
Will they look into Who is behind the funding of the recent push for such laws? Ford_Prefect Jul 2012 #5
'top R said the law would help Romney'--Hope he gets grilled for hours ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #6
Woot!!! BIG K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #7
So what is Congress going to do to the DOJ this time? siligut Jul 2012 #8
DOJ---> ALEC---> RICO oldhippydude Jul 2012 #9
My email to Eric worked! Botany Jul 2012 #10
How wonderful, another "first" for Pennsylvania malthaussen Jul 2012 #11
I am happy that the DOJ is being so active in this area Gothmog Jul 2012 #12
As a PA resident......... kooljerk666 Jul 2012 #13
And this also nykym Jul 2012 #14
Philly inquirer today: Voter ID's partisan impact may have been exaggerated Surf Fishing Guru Jul 2012 #15
The issue is the timing of this process. Ford_Prefect Jul 2012 #16

Riverman100

(275 posts)
3. Oh Lord please please
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jul 2012

We have to stop those rotton s.o.b's. They Scream "voter fraud". I scream "election fraud". Anti -american s.o.b's

 

gregoire

(192 posts)
4. Until mintories have equal access to drivers licenses...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jul 2012

any attempt to make one required to vote should be considered a crime. The DOJ shouldn't be "investigating." They should be arrested these idiots on federal charges.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
5. Will they look into Who is behind the funding of the recent push for such laws?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

One wonders just how loud we have to yell RICO ACT to get the DOJ looking in the right direction at this conspicuous organized conspiracy to deny voting rights. The model legislation, talking points, alleged "statistics" have one central source as does much of the money spent behind the scenes.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
6. 'top R said the law would help Romney'--Hope he gets grilled for hours
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jul 2012

Hope he gets grilled for hours and then the tape is leaked to the press.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
8. So what is Congress going to do to the DOJ this time?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jul 2012

What charges are they going to drum up in order to punish and interfere?

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
11. How wonderful, another "first" for Pennsylvania
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jul 2012

I love this state and have all my life, but the leadership we have elected makes my heart hurt.

-- Mal

Gothmog

(145,288 posts)
12. I am happy that the DOJ is being so active in this area
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:34 PM
Jul 2012

I am glad that the DOJ stepped in on the Texas voter id law and blocked it. The DOJ did a great job in the trial on this law. I hate to think where we would be in Texas if the DOJ had not stepped in.

 

kooljerk666

(776 posts)
13. As a PA resident.........
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:34 AM - Edit history (1)

this is the best news I never expected to hear.

I spent a day, after Turzai stupidly admitted there was a criminal conspiracy afoot, call Sen Jud Committee & every dem member. Everyone I spoke with was 'shocked' that someone would admit something so stupid.

Guys at Leahy's office were almost laffing at my tirade, not at me (unusual!) but with me.

EDIT start:

Todays Philadelphia Inquirer has a front page story about this, small & lower right habd corner but at least it is there!

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/state/20120724_U_S__investigation_of_Pa__s_new_voter_ID_law.html

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nykym

(3,063 posts)
14. And this also
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:13 AM
Jul 2012

posted on DU this morning by; Dovid Rees

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125159391

SO lets recap some twit said it would help Romney win and now this twit says it's a myth.
sounds like grounds for a reversal.

Surf Fishing Guru

(115 posts)
15. Philly inquirer today: Voter ID's partisan impact may have been exaggerated
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:44 AM
Jul 2012
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/inquirer/20120730_Voter_ID_s_partisan_impact_may_have_been_exaggerated.html?&c=n

The thing is PA has criteria to be considered a "qualified elector" and I don't see how making EVERYONE intending to cast a ballot prove they meet the criteria can be seen as such a bad thing.

The PA Constitution establishes the criteria to be considered a qualified elector of the Commonwealth.

They are:

"A citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall be entitled to vote at all elections . . .

1. He or she shall have been a citizen of the United States at least one month.
2. He or she shall have resided in the State ninety (90) days immediately preceding the election.
3. He or she shall have resided in the election district where he or she shall offer to vote at least sixty (60) days immediately preceding the election, . . . "


It would be my argument that it is obvious that persons NOT POSSESSING the qualifying criteria are NOT QUALIFIED ELECTORS and are NOT ENTITLED to cast a ballot.

Can anyone, without entering into the partisan talking points answer this as a simple legal question: If election officials can not verify that those citizenship and residency qualifications are met before letting someone cast a ballot, why have qualifications at all?

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
16. The issue is the timing of this process.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jul 2012

In order to vote one must register. Presuming that there will be a timely way to do so and that reasonable qualifications are correctly met by those registering what purpose is served by challenging them yet again on the day?

In essence this amounts to double jeopardy. In function what it does is add a layer of fear to the process. How many people innocent of any intent or crime feel afraid when they go through the security check at an airport? Why? Is it because of the inherent sense of menace that the security process represents? Is it the possibility that one could by mistake become a target of that menace?

Ask those who once had to undergo enormous scrutiny merely to vote in South Africa or South Carolina how it feels? Such menaces do indeed have an effect. That effect is intended by ALEC and those whom it represents. Whether by doubt or intention you seem to amplify their actions.

I propose that the process of voting registration should ENABLE as many citizens who wish to participate. To do otherwise is to eliminate many in favor of the FEW.

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