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El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:14 PM Jul 2012

Alleged shooter's mom: Reports she knew son was troubled were wrong

Source: Denver Post

James Holmes' mug shot (Photo provided by Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office)


SAN DIEGO — A criminal defense attorney hired by the family of accused gunman James Eagan Holmes says his mother was portrayed inaccurately by national media reports that implied she knew that her son was troubled.

Lawyer Lisa Damiani said her client Arlene Holmes was awakened about 5:45 a.m. PST Friday by ABC News. Damiani she was asked if she was Arlene Holmes, and if her son was James Holmes. Reading a statement from Arlene, Damiani said "I said 'Yes, you have the right person.' But I was talking about myself."

Speaking in front of the high-rise building that houses her office in downtown San Diego, Damiani declined to say why the family had hired her.

On Monday morning, two attorneys from the state public defender's office were appointed to defend James Holmes, 24, against allegations that he killed 12 people and wounded 58 others in an Aurora movie theater early Friday morning. An Arapahoe County judge has sealed records relating to the case, including financial records showing his need for a public defender.

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21139349/alleged-shooters-mom-reports-she-knew-son-was



What is the father doing?
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Alleged shooter's mom: Reports she knew son was troubled were wrong (Original Post) El Supremo Jul 2012 OP
Crying, I imagine. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #1
What's wrong with this picture ...? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #2
excellent point nt steve2470 Jul 2012 #3
Too early to tell. caseymoz Jul 2012 #6
Not to mention forestalling any public spirited citizens pscot Jul 2012 #38
I'd lawyer up too if it was one of my kids. TouchOfGray Jul 2012 #9
Very true. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #22
It could just be an attorney she knows obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #15
Since his mother isn't accused of anything criminal, she can not get a public defender. LisaL Jul 2012 #20
Holmes is an adult yellerpup Jul 2012 #41
Another case of "context matters". CJCRANE Jul 2012 #4
Too much crap from the media without any reasonable reporting. LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #28
Agree completely. Much easier to misinterpret the mom's comment kiranon Jul 2012 #37
Exactly loyalsister Jul 2012 #47
What is the father doing?? What does that mean? Live and Learn Jul 2012 #5
Another fine job by ABC "news" TouchOfGray Jul 2012 #7
Now why does this seem like familiar territory... Kalidurga Jul 2012 #26
Flash and Trash pocoloco Jul 2012 #45
What's the father doing? klook Jul 2012 #8
It does appear that ABC 1KansasDem Jul 2012 #10
The father, Robert Holmes, went to Colorado on Friday. I haven't heard sqat about him since. El Supremo Jul 2012 #11
I Heard The Stuff He Bought DallasNE Jul 2012 #12
You raise an interesting question. totodeinhere Jul 2012 #14
where did he get that kind of money? mastercard or visa i would imagine. frylock Jul 2012 #17
Probably a credit card Lurks Often Jul 2012 #19
My son attends sense Jul 2012 #24
Credit card. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #32
I heard on the CBS news tonight the cost was closer to $14,000 NT Serve The Servants Jul 2012 #44
Thanks DallasNE Jul 2012 #46
I'm a father... jaysunb Jul 2012 #13
Anybody see "We Need to Talk about Kevin "? babydollhead Jul 2012 #16
Yes! HangOnKids Jul 2012 #23
Yes! I thought of that movie too obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #34
Haven't seen that one.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #48
the book is better. in a disturbing way. n/t babydollhead Jul 2012 #49
damn, he's got some crazy eyes shanti Jul 2012 #18
That is not a quote. LisaL Jul 2012 #21
She said "you have the right person" HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #25
Herself, meaning she was the mother of James Holmes. LisaL Jul 2012 #27
Correct. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #31
ok, gotcha shanti Jul 2012 #42
"What is the father doing?" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #29
Who cares what the father is doing? arcane1 Jul 2012 #30
That photo could have come from an episode of Dragnet slackmaster Jul 2012 #33
Dumm-Dee-Dum--Dum! longship Jul 2012 #36
After making the transition from black and white to color, a lot of 1960s TV shows went overboard... slackmaster Jul 2012 #40
FoxRadio news reported that the father is in Colorado TouchOfGray Jul 2012 #35
We've all seen this movie before..... DeSwiss Jul 2012 #39
But if he'd only been subject to a psych eval . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #43
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. What's wrong with this picture ...?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

Mom, Arlene Holmes, hires a criminal defense attorney to protect her good name; accused shooter, James Holmes, on trial for (possibly) his life, gets a public defender.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
6. Too early to tell.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:38 PM
Jul 2012

I'm supposing it takes a while to choose and hire a defense attorney for a trial in a different state, and it's almost impossible to do it over the weekend. She could be trying to scrape together the retainer to do it. The public defenders might be for arraignment only. We don't know yet.

Moreover, if her words were distorted, it's something she would want to set straight immediately. Like most people after such a trauma, she's probably not ready to confront the press herself, hence, hiring the lawyer for that purpose and to answer whatever inquiry the police have about it.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
38. Not to mention forestalling any public spirited citizens
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:19 PM
Jul 2012

who might get the urge to take it out on her.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
22. Very true.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:29 PM
Jul 2012

Although there is only the remotest of possibilty the parents are responsible for the actions of their adult son, its a safe assumption that following the criminal trial there will be a rash of civil suits filed against everyone with even the remotest connection to the incident.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
15. It could just be an attorney she knows
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jul 2012

I'm friends with attorneys.

Why read anything into it?

I also don't think they should become destitute because their son is a murderer. I also bet Holmes will get a pro bono anti DP attorney like Giffords' shooter.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
20. Since his mother isn't accused of anything criminal, she can not get a public defender.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
Jul 2012

Whereas her son is eligible.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
41. Holmes is an adult
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

and they are not obliged to pay for his defense. They would probably lose everything they own for a lost cause. I suspect the attorney was engaged to get the mother's out of context quote corrected.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
37. Agree completely. Much easier to misinterpret the mom's comment
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jul 2012

than to show the question it was in response to. The constant need for a story - any story takes precedence over getting the facts straight. It will take time before anything about the shooter and his family is known. My guess is a mental illness such as schizophrenia that often manifests in its full blown state in the early twenties. I have know families whose children were so affected. Parenting was fine, kid was fine and often quite intelligent and then all changed as the brain changed to its adult manifestation.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
47. Exactly
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:50 AM
Jul 2012

The press will enjoy mangling an misinterpreting every thing she say. This attorney seems to be functioning as press secretary and a legal protector of the family that will be mercilessly harassed.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
5. What is the father doing?? What does that mean?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jul 2012

I imagine they are both devastated. What is the need to pick on the family?

The rush to judgement is ridiculous. Her statement should never have been taken as an acknowlegement of anything other than they had reached the right person. Even if they would have known he had problems there would have been little they could do about it.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
26. Now why does this seem like familiar territory...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:33 PM
Jul 2012

ABC is quickly losing whatever credibility they had.

klook

(12,155 posts)
8. What's the father doing?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:40 PM
Jul 2012

Probably trying to figure out how to keep on living. That's how I'd feel if my son did this.

The family probably hired a lawyer to help keep the press at bay. Good luck with that.

1KansasDem

(251 posts)
10. It does appear that ABC
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jul 2012

rushed a couple of reports to the air, when an editor should have asked a few questions first.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
11. The father, Robert Holmes, went to Colorado on Friday. I haven't heard sqat about him since.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

I don't think he has been allowed to see his son. But the silence about the family has been deafening until now.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
12. I Heard The Stuff He Bought
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jul 2012

Cost him about $6,000. If true, where did he get that kind of money. I don't know any college students with that kind of pocket change.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
14. You raise an interesting question.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jul 2012

I have not heard any speculation about a possible accomplice, but you are right in asking where did he get that money. Did someone help him with the finances?

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
19. Probably a credit card
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
Jul 2012

it's unlikely he expected to be a in position to pay the credit card bill off anyway.

sense

(1,219 posts)
24. My son attends
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jul 2012

college with many children of the 1% that have access to large amounts money at all times. He even has a bit of money himself, as he works and studies and is very frugal. We pay his tuition, room and board. He doesn't have a credit card, but is the only student he knows who doesn't.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
32. Credit card.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:57 PM
Jul 2012

Credit card companies are rather free with giving cards to students. They'll run up a high balance, pay exorbinant interest, and finally get help from mom and dad. Big business for the CC compnies.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
46. Thanks
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:24 AM
Jul 2012

I saw a blog that said $15,000 but it wasn't sourced. I thought that was high and when I saw the $6,000 estimate it seemed more reasonable so I went with the conservative number. (Didn't know at the time how extensive the apartment was bobby trapped). The point is the same. Perhaps a credit card issuer will be on the hook but can college students get that high of a credit limit? I believe he was on a scholarship that paid for school and a housing allowance. Doesn't mean he couldn't have used multiple credit card though and made minimum payments for a couple of months -- and that assumes he hadn't already run up his credit card debt. I'm sure authorities are already looking into his finances so we may learn this in short order.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
13. I'm a father...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jul 2012

and Iwould be devastated, not only for my son, but those he hurt or killed.

I personally feel just as bad for the Holmes family as I do the victims and their families.

babydollhead

(2,231 posts)
16. Anybody see "We Need to Talk about Kevin "?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jul 2012

It was a chilling peak into the mind of the mother of a kid who killed a bunch a other kids as his high school

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
48. Haven't seen that one....
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jul 2012

....but heard about it and now that you mention it, I'm very interested. Thanks for that.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
18. damn, he's got some crazy eyes
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

what about her original "quote" that she "knew it was about her son"? is that what they're referring to?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. She said "you have the right person"
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jul 2012

There was always the question of whether she was referring to her son or herself.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
31. Correct.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jul 2012

But when the media first reported the quote, there were questions over who she was referring to. Bad reporting. Thats why her attorney felt the need to clarify.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
29. "What is the father doing?"
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:43 PM
Jul 2012

I guess the media figured since he was a software engineer it meant he was off the hook,...or offline....

longship

(40,416 posts)
36. Dumm-Dee-Dum--Dum!
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jul 2012

Yes. But this whole thing is a tragedy, anyway you look at it. I don't think I'd be saying, "Just the facts, Ma'am," to this woman. That would be a bit insensitive and crass.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
40. After making the transition from black and white to color, a lot of 1960s TV shows went overboard...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:43 PM
Jul 2012

...in exploiting the new dimension of chroma.

Here is Blue Boy from an early color Dragnet anti-drug episode:

 

TouchOfGray

(82 posts)
35. FoxRadio news reported that the father is in Colorado
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 07:48 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Mon Jul 23, 2012, 08:34 PM - Edit history (1)

and was in the court room today.

Edit update: Now they say it was the father of one of the victims not the Joker's.

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