'No one is safe': Ex-North Carolina police chief rips customs agents for detaining him because of...
Source: RawStory
No one is safe: Ex-North Carolina police chief rips customs agents for detaining him because of his name
TOM BOGGIONI
19 MAR 2017 AT 11:54 ET
A retired police chief from Greenville, North Carolina harshly criticized immigration officials who pulled him out of line, stripped him of his possessions and detained him due to his name.
Writing on Facebook on Saturday, retired cop Hassan Aden said he was returning from Paris where he helped his mother celebrate her 80th birthday when he was singled out and pulled from line by a customs official at John F. Kennedy International Airport who asked, Are you traveling alone? Lets take a walk.
I was taken to a back office which looked to be a re-purposed storage facility with three desks and signs stating, Remain seated at all times and Use of telephones strictly prohibitedmy first sign that this was not a voluntary situation and, in fact, a detention, Aden wrote. By this point I had informed CBP Officer Chow, the one that initially detained me, that I was a retired police chief and a career police officer AND a US citizenhe stated that he had no control over the circumstance and that it didnt matter what my occupation was.
According to Aden after handing his passport over he was told that someone was using his name and that he had had to be cleared so that I could gain passage into the United States
my own country!!!
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/no-one-is-safe-ex-north-carolina-police-chief-rips-customs-agents-for-detaining-him-because-of-his-name/
Solly Mack
(90,789 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)self-righteous, rude POS? Me neither.
still_one
(92,433 posts)were doing this
Also, it sounds like they have no objective standard or criteria for interrogating someone, and that sounds that it would have Constitutional issues to me regarding search and seizure and probable cause
I hope the ACLU is on top of this
pangaia
(24,324 posts)still_one
(92,433 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)reason to check him out further? Lots of people get held until it can be determined that they are who they say and not someone with the same name. Nobody likes this-- including obviously Chief Chou, an ass from what I read who apparently can dish out standard procedural treatment but not take it--but the fact that we haven't had a 9/11 for awhile shouldn't fool us into believing terrorists aren't interested any more.
Igel
(35,362 posts)If the reason given was correct, then the ex-cop's first reaction should have been, "Somebody's using my name?"
If he was impersonating somebody, I doubt customs would say, "Ah, he's been accused. He must obligatorily confess at this time, or we know since nobody ever lies he is who he says he is."
Problem is that if this has been SOP, then it's not the trumpster who's the bad guy. There are those who would prefer the way it was in 2002. My wife and I traveled, and she was pulled out of line consistently. Native speaker of SW American English, light brown hair, blue eyes. /sarcasm Apparently we had a huge raft of terrorist threats with 30-something married blue-eyed women back then. Who knew? /sarcasm off
Personally, I guess it came as a huge shock that the latest attack in Paris wasn't carried out by a Welsh Swedenborgian or a Catalan Seventh-Day Adventist. As it is, Ziyed Ben Belgacem was termed by the press I heard as a "Frenchman," playing off the fact that "Frenchman" usually denotes ethnicity and not just citizenship. We seem to be assuming that if it's not part of a bureaucratic definition, it has no validity unless it gets us or the person being labeled something of worth. Ziyed, no so much a French name.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)my Kindle with me." As a police chief, he must have had people waiting for hours routinely, both in custody and their friends and family out of custody.
burrowowl
(17,653 posts)have always been the rudest and prickiest I have ever encountered internationally.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)and a lot who aren't outwardly belligerent but just kind of dumb.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)can make one rather... negative... plus, knowing you can do whatever the fuck you want to anybody can give one visions of "splendor, magnificence, impressiveness, glory, resplendence, majesty, greatness....."
How often do these shits not even look at you when calling you up, or dismissing you... they just slop( and I mean SLOP) your passport down, sometimes just a jerk of the head to get rid of you....
"next......"
yes, I have come across a couple of human beings here and there, but it ain't often...
Even just coming back from Canada has gotten worse by a magnitude I could not imagine last year...
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)The majority whom I have encountered have been courteous and professional.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Hitler redux-2.0 Well the more high profile people getting caught up in prezident bannons racist net, the better it will be. This one is pissed.
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)and yes....this is an outstanding example of Hitler..."show me your papers"...and
this story is...extremely important in my opinion
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)When they first rolled this out, it was only the passport you needed to have to fly.
but it had to be the new one, that costs a chunk of money to get, and which apparently needs renewal every so often ( I don't know the time frame) and that renewal costs money.
Then they wheeled out the choices of "gov't Approved" id, with computerized biometric info.
And warned, several years ago, that all states had to provide it, or else you could not fly, or enter Gov't buildings.
Right now, I know Washington state does not yet have it.
Here in Ala. the driver's licenses are now in compliance plus you have to have your birth certificate info if you not a citizen.
If you are white, and a citizen, you can cross the borders into Canada and Mexico with one of 3 special passes, all of which are of course, expensive, and all which basically ask for family history details and birth certificate.
all of the "approved" IDs have computerized chips with your information, and you have to get new ones for any address changes.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)He had a us passport. That is all he needed .
Igel
(35,362 posts)Somebody else, report was, was using his name.
Now, if this is the case then you may just need your passport, but a cursory examination might also let the fake Mr. Aden in. Then there'd be hell to pay for not properly checking. "Look, you thought there were two Adens, one a terrorist and the other a citizen. You just assumed that the one in front of you with what appeared to be a valid passport and who said he was the real Aden had to be telling the truth because he said so? What, you were afraid that the real one would be upset and offended because you took the time to follow protocol and worry about the safety of citizens? Just how shallow and concerned about public safety do you think the average American is?"
Did anybody check out the excuse given? Or do we just assume that anybody offended must be intentionally wronged?
Squinch
(51,025 posts)You can't really check it out. It lets them demand "papers" whenever they want.
I get that if it is true it's very sticky, but I've actually heard it used before when friends were detained.
PatSeg
(47,628 posts)are coming out every day. There already is some sort of travel ban and apparently no one is immune.
IronLionZion
(45,550 posts)it is absolutely disgusting that Trump's Gestapo is increasingly pretending that Americans are white and brown people are foreign enemies.
They'll come for white liberals sooner than people think. Think of how many hippies you know with creative foreign sounding names.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Sometimes a name is just a name.
IronLionZion
(45,550 posts)If you're brown, a name is suspicious. An Islamic sounding name will get you detained for sure.
But if you're brown Christian like me, several members of my family have been detained for having Biblical names that don't match our brown faces and must be fake.
I know a lot of white hippies with names like Indira, Bhakti, Shakti, Saraswati, but the Sufi ones have Middle-Eastern sounding names and they will eventually come after those people.
White liberals will get it eventually. Some may try to blend in with the Trumpers for self-defense just like the good Germans back in the day they will think they are safe. But they will find what white liberals have posted online and in social media. The internet never forgets. If one has ever been a liberal, white privilege won't save you.
littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)A brave North Carolinian, DonViejo. He continues to serve by exposing the malfeasance of our current federal government, as it morphs the thug mafia we all have suspected it is becoming. More proof, we are stronger together.
♡lmsp
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Are we there yet?
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atreides1
(16,094 posts)Now has his Gestapo, and like Himmler, he'll follow Herr Drumpf...until it gets too hot, and will betray Don the Groper, in much the same way that Heinrich betrayed Adolf!!!
irisblue
(33,036 posts)Looks like some more training for that custom agent will be happening soon.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)I have been on it since at least 12/2001 and cannot get off of it. It gives them automatic probable cause even though there has been no due process to prove my name deserves to be on the list. Before too much longer all names will be on the list.
When it first happened I had guns pulled on me, now they do not bat an eye because so many people are on it.
DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)Folks who would appear to be trump supporters getting caught up in his disgusting orders.