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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:21 AM Jul 2012

Aurora 'Dark Knight' Shooting Suspect Identified: James Holmes

Last edited Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:48 AM - Edit history (2)

Source: ABC

The young man who is in custody after allegedly gunning down 12 people in a mass shooting spree overnight in Aurora, Colorado has been identified as local resident James Holmes, according to federal authorities.

Law enforcement officials and witnesses told ABC News Holmes wore what appeared to be a bullet-proof vest and riot-type mask as he opened fire in a movie theater with three weapons at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises." In addition to the 12 deaths, at least 50 people were injured, according to police.

Local news reports showed aerial video of police cautiously searching Holmes' apartment, some five miles from the Century Aurora 16 theater, as the suspect reportedly told police he had explosives inside.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/aurora-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-identified-james-holmes/story?id=16818889#.UAlK8GHY-5J



A law enforcement source told Orr that Holmes' residence was "booby-trapped," and that police saw what looked like "buckets of extra ammunition" and some kind of chemical inside his home.

The suspect spoke of "possible explosives in his residence. We are dealing with that potential threat," Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates told reporters at a news conference.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57476449/james-holmes-24-identified-as-suspect-in-deadly-mass-shooting-at-aurora-colorado-movie-theater/

Colorado suspect just withdrew from med school
http://www.nbc11news.com/news/headlines/Colorado-suspect-just-withdrew-from-med-school--163182506.html?ref=506
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Aurora 'Dark Knight' Shooting Suspect Identified: James Holmes (Original Post) maddezmom Jul 2012 OP
His Computer? Iggy Jul 2012 #1
Trouble is, you can't tell nuts like him from GOP politicians (or their wives). nt valerief Jul 2012 #21
LOL. but I Disagree Iggy Jul 2012 #26
How? Monitor every posting on the Internet? randome Jul 2012 #29
HUH? It's Already Being Done Iggy Jul 2012 #37
Define 'extremist website' first. randome Jul 2012 #43
C'mon Randome Iggy Jul 2012 #47
'Status quo'? I would rather live in a gun-free society. randome Jul 2012 #50
Correct. Forget about Gun Free Iggy Jul 2012 #88
Can you give some high level details on how that would be accomplished? snooper2 Jul 2012 #40
Oh come on. When was the last time a GOP politician or his wife totodeinhere Jul 2012 #102
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #108
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Jul 2012 #2
I expect that this is a nutcase who went on a rampage. He may have attached himself razorman Jul 2012 #4
Lone lunatics can be heavily influenced by propaganda....... marmar Jul 2012 #7
Yep! patricia92243 Jul 2012 #30
You are partly right, marmar slackmaster Jul 2012 #57
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #65
Loughner was diagnosed with schzophrenia and was declared by the judge in the case as unfit to stand amandabeech Jul 2012 #80
He was sane enough... uh clem Jul 2012 #100
There are many schizophrenics who can hold it together for a couple of hours or so. amandabeech Jul 2012 #107
The above is a lie, by the way - Jared Lee Loughner was an independent muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #82
I have seen too many instances where wrong conclusions were reached razorman Jul 2012 #90
You are so right. randome Jul 2012 #92
Thanks. Basically, I am just counseling patience. razorman Jul 2012 #93
Wisely, too... BadtotheboneBob Jul 2012 #109
+1 Liberalynn Jul 2012 #103
Yes of course many on the right promote hate. However, totodeinhere Jul 2012 #119
Of course, one man's "hate" is another man's "righteous anger". razorman Jul 2012 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Jul 2012 #9
Agreed, the problem is there are WAY too many Iggy Jul 2012 #31
he was a nazi wannabe... nebenaube Jul 2012 #52
He was a Medical School dropout anyway.... Kasper Hauser Jul 2012 #67
condone? Nope. Instigate? groom? inspire? progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #58
Agreed. isuphighyeah Jul 2012 #124
You are correct on that, but life long demo Jul 2012 #8
Me 2. First thought that came to my mind... Amonester Jul 2012 #55
And why would a teabagger want to shoot up a Batman premiere? TheMightyFavog Jul 2012 #14
Because of the "conspiracy" between the makers of the movie Nancy Waterman Jul 2012 #25
yes the talking hate heads told him who would watch this movie and "why" lunasun Jul 2012 #63
I think we'll find out soon why Iggy Jul 2012 #27
Links to what we know... Jackpot777 Jul 2012 #36
Great post! Welcome! JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #45
Many thanks. Jackpot777 Jul 2012 #66
Common name..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #39
I have also seen on Yahoo that littlewolf Jul 2012 #48
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #59
Just like Gifford's shooter!!!! Kasper Hauser Jul 2012 #68
Bullshit he was an indy maddezmom Jul 2012 #71
Oops. Guess you were wrong Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #72
They retracted this statement. Kablooie Jul 2012 #85
The guy is apparently from San Diego originally. MADem Jul 2012 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Jul 2012 #98
Weren't they the first network to speculate about a Teabagger/Times square bomber connection too? hughee99 Jul 2012 #110
Yes, and Muslim terrorism for the Oklahoma City bombing slackmaster Jul 2012 #112
It would be nice to see them spend less effort speculating and more time investigating. hughee99 Jul 2012 #114
Interesting that ABC says he "...gunned down 12 people..." Ineeda Jul 2012 #3
Being a lifelong NYer I can say that "gunned down" means killed Renew Deal Jul 2012 #5
"gunned down" sounds sort of hollywoodish, sort of unreal. "Murdered" rurallib Jul 2012 #12
It is sensationalism Renew Deal Jul 2012 #23
And my local TV was quick to point out that this was not a 'terrorist' attack. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #6
The statement is probably intended to 'calm' the community not reflect the emotional reality HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #11
I'm sick of classifying domestic terrorism as just 'lone wolf' actions. This sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #17
Certainly it's frightening to be aware violence like this is a probability in our society HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #28
I live 2000 miles from the shooting. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #53
This is trying me nuts PatSeg Jul 2012 #46
"Terrorist" means "attack by brown people" Odin2005 Jul 2012 #35
Suspect was white.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #38
to be fair Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #56
Had the shooter been of Middle Eastern descent, your local LibDemAlways Jul 2012 #64
It's because there was not any obvious political motivation 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #126
Local news is showing the FBI trying to make entry to his apartment Esse Quam Videri Jul 2012 #10
Will Limbaugh, will Hannity, will Romney condemn this? rurallib Jul 2012 #13
No more than the producers of The Dark Knight Rises will, or should slackmaster Jul 2012 #16
Those are heavy duty earrings. nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #22
the producers weren't the ones spending all week saying it was a left wing plot. n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #62
Did somebody actually say for a whole week that the movie was a left-wing plot? slackmaster Jul 2012 #73
Limbaugh did, thought I don't know about for a week. JoeyT Jul 2012 #115
Which shows just how evil the shooter is - after listening to the radio for a week, he 24601 Jul 2012 #129
Good question...Limbaugh always asks where's Al Sharpton robinstewart Jul 2012 #24
Y'a see Mittens and his campaign Iliyah Jul 2012 #34
No Libertas et Veritas Jul 2012 #74
Clarification bongbong Jul 2012 #99
They made it happen - Rush and his INCESSANT LYING! blm Jul 2012 #32
KUSA is reporting AsahinaKimi Jul 2012 #15
My wife woke me up to let me know about this. Panasonic Jul 2012 #18
In before someone accuses you of being a racist for using the word "gang" slackmaster Jul 2012 #19
In like a hawk..................nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #20
Anybody who says you are racist for using the word gang snooper2 Jul 2012 #41
It happened to me earlier this week slackmaster Jul 2012 #54
You and your dog whistles, lol AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #70
The funny thing about real dog whistles is that the intent of using them is almost always... slackmaster Jul 2012 #76
pot heaven05 Jul 2012 #79
Desoto, Festus, Pevely, Fenton MO, Dallas TX, Plano TX, snooper2 Jul 2012 #86
so heaven05 Jul 2012 #89
With a handle that has heaven in the name I think that could be disputed LOL snooper2 Jul 2012 #91
i didn't understand the city reference. heaven05 Jul 2012 #113
well? heaven05 Jul 2012 #75
The prejudice that "most good americans" harbor against black people is a tragic thing slackmaster Jul 2012 #96
Witnesses at the apt. claim they heard a small explosion when police sent in robot. FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #33
The NRA pulls the strings of many of the politicians. where are they now? denvine Jul 2012 #42
Isn't it obvious? uh clem Jul 2012 #101
Right wing whack jobs will blame Hollywood Zorro Jul 2012 #44
Yes, terrorist act indeed... mountain grammy Jul 2012 #49
Yet ANOTHER reason to flush Rush ... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #51
Notice he is not a middle eastern muslim but a home grown white terrorist. teewrex Jul 2012 #61
Chris Rock on Comedy Central tonite: Mopar151 Jul 2012 #123
Was this some sort of "Second Amendment solution" for some perceived kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #69
If shouting "fire" in a crowded theater isn't protected... sofa king Jul 2012 #121
Look what Brietbart.com is up to blitzburgh55 Jul 2012 #77
I'm sure the psycho is a great hunter jeanmarc Jul 2012 #78
America needs some serious mental health help SoapBox Jul 2012 #81
A medical School dropout carlotta Jul 2012 #83
A local San Diego radio station quoted a San Diego PD spokesperson as saying Holmes was in a PhD... slackmaster Jul 2012 #94
Both left and right are trying to make political points from this but I think that's wrong. Kablooie Jul 2012 #84
Yep. Everyone's immediately claiming it's their personal opponents who did this. Posteritatis Jul 2012 #95
There are two basic narratives in partisan political discussions. Here they are: slackmaster Jul 2012 #104
The people here blaming a teabagger or no different than the freepers who blame muslims. nt naaman fletcher Jul 2012 #116
Except that ABC News erroneously reported that it was a Teabagger. totodeinhere Jul 2012 #118
didn't see that. thanks. nt naaman fletcher Jul 2012 #120
+1 for reason 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #117
pic of the shooter Baclava Jul 2012 #97
The expression 'just give me five minutes alone with him' comes to mind. eom tawadi Jul 2012 #127
The alleged shooter seems to be well educated. totodeinhere Jul 2012 #105
Wonder how he was able to open the emergency exit Gin Jul 2012 #106
Good question. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #128
Maybe schizophrenia? Marrah_G Jul 2012 #111
I think that is an intelligent guess. truedelphi Jul 2012 #125
"Shy" tawadi Jul 2012 #122
Hopefully no copycats, nuts tend to come out the woodwork in droves EarthCitizen Jul 2012 #130
 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
26. LOL. but I Disagree
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
Jul 2012

I think it's very easy to formulate about a 6-7 point checklist which would enable law enforcement to
distinguish between hotheaded loudmouths (i.e. most teabaggers) and nuts with some sort
of ax to grind-- who are also armed-- and STOP these people bfore they kill

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
37. HUH? It's Already Being Done
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:52 AM
Jul 2012

in the effort to find and stop terrorists; you realize this, correct?

First, do you/we actually want to at least slow this problem down or not? do you want to be gunned down going
to a movie.. or maybe the gas station?

it's relatively simple to narrow this down: surveil the extremist websites in the U.S. which in fact are already
be watched by law enforcement. true, not _all_ of the nuts are on these websites, but based on what we
are seeing- many of them are.

http://www.aclu.org/spy-files

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
43. Define 'extremist website' first.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:09 AM
Jul 2012

Yes, I know there is probably a lot of law enforcement monitoring going on. But it will never be enough. You can't check the daily information content of 300 million people.

The conditions that led to this massacre are where we need to focus our efforts. Sadly, that has never been done in the past so I doubt it will occur now.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
47. C'mon Randome
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:16 AM
Jul 2012

300 million people are not on the extremist websites... if they are, we're in trouble!!

by extremist websites, I mean the "white power", white supremicist websites, the sites talking
about "overthrowing our gov't. those sorts of websites.

The Southern Poverty Law Center proved long ago that activity on these websites can be
and must be monitored.

again, do you want to resolve this obv massive problem? or is the status quo working for you?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
50. 'Status quo'? I would rather live in a gun-free society.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:23 AM
Jul 2012

But since that will never happen in this country, we need to look at what created the conditions for this massacre to occur.

I'm not sure you have defined 'extremist' websites by calling them 'white power' or 'white supremicist' websites because I don't see how those can be defined, either, except when the sites are so far 'out there' that a reasonable person would not disagree.

Free Republic frequently talks about 'overthrowing our gov't'. But I would not advocate a visit from law enforcement every time someone posts something stupid there.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
88. Correct. Forget about Gun Free
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:14 PM
Jul 2012

so let's focus on _realistic_ strategy.

OK, you're choosing NOT to get it regarding white power, white supremacist, neo nazi type websites. they are definitely
out there, and they are trackable

if you're going to be intentionally obtusive and contrary, I don't have time to waste talking with you

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
40. Can you give some high level details on how that would be accomplished?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:56 AM
Jul 2012

Just the top five bullet points that describe the various topics on how this gets done.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
102. Oh come on. When was the last time a GOP politician or his wife
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jul 2012

murdered 12 people in a movie theater? Your type of rhetorical overkill is not helpful. In fact it gives ammunition to the other side.

Response to valerief (Reply #21)

Response to Iggy (Reply #1)

Response to maddezmom (Original post)

razorman

(1,644 posts)
4. I expect that this is a nutcase who went on a rampage. He may have attached himself
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:39 AM
Jul 2012

to one cause or another, on the left or right. But, in the end, I believe he will turn out to simply be an evil lunatic. I do not know of any political organization in the U.S., of any persuasion, that would condone this act. Let's wait for the facts to come out.

marmar

(77,084 posts)
7. Lone lunatics can be heavily influenced by propaganda.......
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:44 AM
Jul 2012

..... remember Gabby Giffords shooter? ..... And I'm sorry, but it's not the left that promotes the hate.


Response to marmar (Reply #7)

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
80. Loughner was diagnosed with schzophrenia and was declared by the judge in the case as unfit to stand
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012

trial.

In other words, he was extremely mentally ill.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
107. There are many schizophrenics who can hold it together for a couple of hours or so.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jul 2012

In other words, time to fill out a form to get a gun.

Many of these are not taking meds, and do not have a diagnosis on file anywhere.

I'm speaking from personal experience.

I'm an attorney, and with current S.Ct. precedents, I doubt that we'll see more strict regulation in the future. To move any closer to serious regulation, you'd need a court with at least 5 Ginsburgs and Sotomayors. That would require many consecutive Dem presidents, which would be a great thing, but it isn't the historical pattern.

I'm not a 2d Amendment purist, but I think that the Amendment presents a significant obstacle for serious gun control.

Really, if you want to go after guns, eventually you're going to have to amend the Constitution.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
90. I have seen too many instances where wrong conclusions were reached
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jul 2012

immediately after an incident, rather than waiting for facts to come in. Please recall; as it turned out, Jared Loughner(Gifford's assailant) turned out to be a radical pothead who was a political independent that hated G.W. Bush. A lone nutcase. Timothy McVeigh was a right-wing looney, and the Unabomber was a left-wing looney. There are such people on all sides of the political spectrum, an no sane person supports their actions. Besides, if we try to tie this guy to Romney or Limbaugh or the Tea Party, and later turn out to be wrong, we will look foolish, especially if a photo ever turns up of this kook shaking hands with President Obama or Al Gore or someone. It is possible, and we certainly could not blame them for his actions. Anyway, I think we should wait at least 24-48 hours for the facts to come in before we draw conclusions. The first reports on big incidents are ALWAYS wrong.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
119. Yes of course many on the right promote hate. However,
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jul 2012

history is replete with lunatics from all sides of the political spectrum who have done things like this and sometimes they are simply crazy and not political at all.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
131. Of course, one man's "hate" is another man's "righteous anger".
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jul 2012

Over the years, I have seen plenty of both, even on this site. The left is not immune. I guess I am just too old and tired to expend a lot of energy on such things. Life is too short to spend it pissed-off.

Response to razorman (Reply #4)

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
31. Agreed, the problem is there are WAY too many
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jul 2012

of these guys out there, and it's time to act before more of us are slaughtered like cattle.

I propose a 'War on Nuts', specifically the armed ones

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
58. condone? Nope. Instigate? groom? inspire?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jul 2012

hell yes. What do you think happens to people when they listen to hate talk 24/7? It changes their brains. I don't mean anything like DU or even FReeperville (which is a bunch of angry old men talking tough.) I mean listening to someone constantly who is using inflammatory language to incite people. THe right's language of their talking heads is steeped in violence, and that's just their mainstream people. Add to that the more underground sites and forums for white supremacists, racists, end of worlders, etc., and it's a recipe for disaster.

Even the language that was used by Palin in 2008 was inflammatory in the truest sense.

isuphighyeah

(101 posts)
124. Agreed.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jul 2012

It's probably going to come out that someone or something was telling him he had to do this. I'd put my money on schizophrenia.

life long demo

(1,113 posts)
8. You are correct on that, but
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:45 AM
Jul 2012

When I turned the TV on this morning and saw that it was at a batman movie, I immediately thought of Rush and his recent rant about Bain/Bane. Just so weird.

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
14. And why would a teabagger want to shoot up a Batman premiere?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jul 2012

One would think the whole rich industrialist/masked vigilante thing would be right up their alley.

Nancy Waterman

(6,407 posts)
25. Because of the "conspiracy" between the makers of the movie
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jul 2012

and the Obama campaign in attacking poor old Bain Capital, dontcha' know.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
27. I think we'll find out soon why
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:39 AM
Jul 2012

I can guess this perp is like many others lately; a loner with some sort of ax to grind.
probably posting extremist/white supremacy crap all over the typical websites.

he doesn't get attention, he wants attention, "fame". this is a pathetic way to achieve it. but it
is a way.

BTW, I really doubt the perp's apartment is "booby trapped" with bombs. the cops actually
believe this guy?

Jackpot777

(2 posts)
36. Links to what we know...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:48 AM
Jul 2012

What we can see from the internet at first glance:

The Tea Party in Colorado has a page with Jim Holmes as a member.

The Aurora, CO Tea Party page (along with quite a few other pages) have no content, or don't exist - "The page you were looking for was not found."

Yet this page exists as a link on the Colorado Tea Party website. You can see here which pages have been pulled, look for "Aurora Tea Party (Aurora)" as the example.

Breibart is already blaming the mainstream MSM media derp and liberals for being just as bad as the shooter (you know: the same "how DARE they suggest there's a page on a real website with someone with the same name, and how DARE they look into it!" we got for months over Jim Adkisson, how he was an atheist who hated religion and that's why he did it, how he was a lone wolf and in no way held deeply felt right-wing sentiments, until the inconvenient truth of his motivations became known to the public).

That final link: look at the sources from 2008, the Adkisson incident. We're seeing the same lame-ass bluffs from the [f]right[ened] wing again.

Jackpot777

(2 posts)
66. Many thanks.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:29 AM
Jul 2012

Thanks. I post using the same name on reddit, sometimes on Fark, and make t-shirts and DJ under the name (check out Mixcrate if you're into electronic music, or RedBubble if you're into sci-fi themed t-shirts) so I decided to add another string to my bow.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
39. Common name.....
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:56 AM
Jul 2012

I imagine there are a lot of "James or Jim Holmes" all over.

But I won't be shocked if we find out he's a winger.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
48. I have also seen on Yahoo that
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jul 2012

this nutjob was linked to OWS ...
he waited until 30 minutes into the movie
threw smoke/tear gas and started shooting
at the same time as it was going on in the
movie ....
so there is enough shit on both sides
wait until the facts are sorted out ....

Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

 

Kasper Hauser

(4 posts)
68. Just like Gifford's shooter!!!!
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jul 2012

Which proves....nothing....except that people are stupid and selfish and cruel to try and score political points on this...

His motive will be important...though likely as not it was just insanity....but to accuse anyone..Obama, Limbaugh, Hollywood...as sharing blame at this point is both reckless and evil.

This is not about scoring points.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
87. The guy is apparently from San Diego originally.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jul 2012

A reporter got a hold of his mother and she wasn't surprised, according to the report. The mother said that she'd have to get on a plane to Colorado.

Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
110. Weren't they the first network to speculate about a Teabagger/Times square bomber connection too?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jul 2012

n/t

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
114. It would be nice to see them spend less effort speculating and more time investigating.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe that's why people don't get their news from the networks nearly as much as they used to.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
3. Interesting that ABC says he "...gunned down 12 people..."
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:34 AM
Jul 2012

when actually, he gunned down at least 62, 12 of which, so far, were fatalities. Okay, to be fair, a few of those other 50 might have been injured trying to escape the carnage, but still, minimizing the number seems disingenuous.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
5. Being a lifelong NYer I can say that "gunned down" means killed
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:41 AM
Jul 2012

And ABCnews is a NY based operation.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
23. It is sensationalism
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jul 2012

for headlines. It's somewhat of a meaningless term considering how easily it can be misunderstood.

sinkingfeeling

(51,465 posts)
6. And my local TV was quick to point out that this was not a 'terrorist' attack.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jul 2012

They must have said it a dozen times that it had nothing to do with 'terrorists'. I guess America has succeeded in re-defining that word. I can't image being in a theater with your kids and having somebody start shooting people and not feeling a tad of 'terror'.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. The statement is probably intended to 'calm' the community not reflect the emotional reality
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:52 AM
Jul 2012

of people in the theaters.

If people thought is was a terrorist attack, fear (and some panic) would spread across the country. Saying it isn't terrorism would communicate that it is a single event not a possible part of a larger campaign of violence.



HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
28. Certainly it's frightening to be aware violence like this is a probability in our society
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:40 AM
Jul 2012

I do think that the statement was meant to calm the community, and to suggest that this is not the beginning of a series of such attacks.

If they have the right person in custody, they'll probably know soon what the motivation for it was.



PatSeg

(47,527 posts)
46. This is trying me nuts
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jul 2012

They need to define violence differently. Terrorism has been committed throughout history by people of many races, religions, and nationalities.

So far this clearly seems to be an act of terrorism.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
35. "Terrorist" means "attack by brown people"
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:46 AM
Jul 2012

They would never call the Oklahoma City Bombing "terrorism" nowadays.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
56. to be fair
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:55 AM
Jul 2012

Unless the authorities uncover some kind of political motive for the mass killing, i wouldn't call it terrorism, either...jmho

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
64. Had the shooter been of Middle Eastern descent, your local
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:24 AM
Jul 2012

TV would have no problem calling the guy a terrorist.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
126. It's because there was not any obvious political motivation
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jul 2012

it was intended to calm people by pointing out this was a lone nut so follow-up attacks are not a concern.

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
10. Local news is showing the FBI trying to make entry to his apartment
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:50 AM
Jul 2012

Front door is apparently booby trapped so they are trying to make entry through a third floor bathroom window.

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
13. Will Limbaugh, will Hannity, will Romney condemn this?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:57 AM
Jul 2012

In loud and certain terms?
Or will Mitt give us one of his "not what I would have done" answers?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
73. Did somebody actually say for a whole week that the movie was a left-wing plot?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jul 2012

I must not have gotten that memo.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
115. Limbaugh did, thought I don't know about for a week.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:26 PM
Jul 2012

He did throw a shitfit over the villain being named Bain.

24601

(3,962 posts)
129. Which shows just how evil the shooter is - after listening to the radio for a week, he
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jul 2012

apparently invented a time machine and went back several months to plan his crime.

Or maybe that wasn't his motivation.

In any case, I'm disgusted anyone, on any side rushing to score political points over the who he was or was not connected to, who he did or didn't adhere to, etc.

If Obama & Romney can place this outside the political sphere, anyone should be able to.

robinstewart

(1 post)
24. Good question...Limbaugh always asks where's Al Sharpton
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:27 AM
Jul 2012

Whenever someone black commits a crime, Limbaugh and republicans demand to know where is Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Well, where is Limbaugh? Hannity? Glenn Beck? They are "white leaders", aren't they? they always want the "black leaders" to condemn the deaths and do something about it. So now when the shooter is white, where the hell are they?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
34. Y'a see Mittens and his campaign
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:45 AM
Jul 2012

said nothing when Limpball's was spewing all that hate about the Bateman movie huh. I bet Mittens say nothing about what his cohort was saying.

74. No
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jul 2012

Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck most certainly are NOT "white leaders" ...whatever the hell that is even supposed to mean.

We have no idea yet whether this guy had a political motive. My guess would be no. Consider the venue he picked. Consider the ComiCon-esque costume he put on. He was playing Supervillain. My guess is that he's simply a total nutter, completely divorced from reality, not unlike Jared Loughner.

He needn't be politically motivated for this to be stark indictment of the NRA and the gun fetishists on the right.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
99. Clarification
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jul 2012

> Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck most certainly are NOT "white leaders"

I think he meant to say "unhinged repig hate-filled teabagger white racist leaders"

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
15. KUSA is reporting
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:04 AM
Jul 2012

That the shooters mother, who is out of state, has been notified, and is flying in to Colorado. She identified him to the FBI as her son.

link to KUSA
http://www.9news.com/video/65071045001/1/KUSA-Livestream-Red-18287

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
18. My wife woke me up to let me know about this.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jul 2012

We live about 2 miles from there. I was at the theatre 13 days ago during the daylight.

The area is very notorious for gang problems. There has been major effort to clean up the area.

As a result of this, my wife has forbade me to go to that theatre.

Very scary.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
41. Anybody who says you are racist for using the word gang
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:01 AM
Jul 2012

Has to be one ignorant fool...

Somebody really did that here?


Maybe some folks just really have lead a sheltered life LOL

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
54. It happened to me earlier this week
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:32 AM
Jul 2012

When I posted that a shooting suspect (who happened to be white) must be a gang member due to his attire and his behavior.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
76. The funny thing about real dog whistles is that the intent of using them is almost always...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jul 2012

...to scare a dog away or to get the dog to stop doing some undesirable behavior.

But you never know how any particular animal will react to one at any particular time. I suppose a large predator that had an appetite for dog meat would be attracted to them.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
86. Desoto, Festus, Pevely, Fenton MO, Dallas TX, Plano TX,
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jul 2012

Travelled all across the country for years installing channel banks and muxes...


What about you?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
89. so
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:14 PM
Jul 2012

i have lived in the real world of america for many decades,not your world. have a real good day.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
91. With a handle that has heaven in the name I think that could be disputed LOL
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:30 PM
Jul 2012

I give a list of cities and you sign off


I forget what you are even trying to discuss anymore

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
113. i didn't understand the city reference.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jul 2012
i've lived in a lot of different places here and abroad,so? America has a particular vicious and dark underside when it comes to race relations, both ways. My point is that air and light on a undesirable subject such as race relations helps sometimes. Calling people fools does not help to foster debate. that's my point. I apologize for being offensive in any manner.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
75. well?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jul 2012

say gang and most good americans think black people, what could you expect? so guy saying gang problem colored, no pun intended, his statement black.simple as that.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
96. The prejudice that "most good americans" harbor against black people is a tragic thing
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jul 2012

Especially when it comes from a self-professed progressive like the person who put his foot in his mouth in response to my post earlier this week.

denvine

(802 posts)
42. The NRA pulls the strings of many of the politicians. where are they now?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:07 AM
Jul 2012

They keep fueling the fire that President Obama will take away their guns which of course is nonsense. Will they accept any responsibility for eliminating many of the restrictions that were in place so the gun industry could sell more guns? You now see laws being passed that allows people to carry guns just about anywhere they want. Why?

mountain grammy

(26,630 posts)
49. Yes, terrorist act indeed...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:23 AM
Jul 2012

7 killed in Bulgaria attack on Israeli tour bus, 12 killed in Colorado theater.. Robme will go to war with Iran (Sheldon Adelson will see to that) but will he go to war against 'mericans? Seems that's already happening. Unarmed protestors are gassed, beaten and arrested. Latinos sit in jail for not showing "papers." Armed vigilantes shoot innocent teenagers who dare to go out at night. But the real terrorists are lurking out there ready to strike, bringing fear and mayhem to any or all of us and they are being whipped up by hate; the new American value.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
51. Yet ANOTHER reason to flush Rush ...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jul 2012

Disgusting Limbots "must kill" has been once again imprinted on their limbic brains...

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
69. Was this some sort of "Second Amendment solution" for some perceived
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)

wrong somebody did to him? Maybe his warped idea of standing his ground, encouraged by teabaggers and their mentality??

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
121. If shouting "fire" in a crowded theater isn't protected...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jul 2012

No, I can't go through with it. My thoughts go to all of the victims and their bereaved.

blitzburgh55

(411 posts)
77. Look what Brietbart.com is up to
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jul 2012

He was issued a traffic citation in 2011--his sole run-in with the law. The same is true for the suspect arrested in connection with the shootings, according to reports. Update: Fox News reports that the suspect has a California-issued social security number, as does the man in the documents obtained by Breitbart News--a significant correlation, assuming the sources are independent.

Furthermore, the James Holmes for whom records were obtained by Breitbart News registered as a Democrat on June 14, 2011. He registered from an address in La Plata County, Colorado, and his status is listed as "inactive."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat

carlotta

(266 posts)
83. A medical School dropout
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jul 2012

Several news organizations are reporting he was a med school student who had recently dropped out. Had just completed a course on "Pschychiatric Disorders"

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
94. A local San Diego radio station quoted a San Diego PD spokesperson as saying Holmes was in a PhD...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:32 PM
Jul 2012

...program, according to Holmes' mother who lives in the area. The suspect Holmes graduated from a San Diego area high school.

Kablooie

(18,635 posts)
84. Both left and right are trying to make political points from this but I think that's wrong.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jul 2012

I'd rather no one accuse him of being a teabagger or liberal or anything else until we know some facts.

Anyone who indiscriminately kills people like this is not likely to be motivated by political views.
No one condones mass slaughter of innocents other than some extremist religious groups.

All that we know is that he is insane and evil by all human standards and we should not automatically accuse him of being part of a group that we don't like.

I learned this from the Oklahoma bombing when everyone was convinced it was a Muslim extremist attack.
Timothy McVeigh was about as far from being a Muslim as you can get.

Hold off on the accusations until we get some facts.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
95. Yep. Everyone's immediately claiming it's their personal opponents who did this.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jul 2012

Just like every other such instance. Ugh.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
104. There are two basic narratives in partisan political discussions. Here they are:
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jul 2012

1. Once upon a time, things were all good. The other side made it bad. But now our side is trying to take us back to the good times. So vote for us.

2. Once upon a time, things were all bad. Our side made it good. But now the other side is trying to take us back to the bad times. So vote for us.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
118. Except that ABC News erroneously reported that it was a Teabagger.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jul 2012

That was later retracted but I don't blame people for believing that report when they first heard it.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
97. pic of the shooter
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jul 2012


TMZ: Here is the first photo of "Dark Knight" theater shooter James Holmes ... released by the University of Colorado,
Graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado where he attended the School of Medicine before withdrawing.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
105. The alleged shooter seems to be well educated.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jul 2012
Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was in the process from withdrawing from a doctorate program in neuroscience at the University of Colorado-Denver, according to university spokesman Dan Myers. Holmes began the program last year.


http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-student-photo-released-160848135.html

What a terrible tragedy this is. My heart goes out to the victims and their families, and I wish the injured a quick and full recovery.
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
128. Good question.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:37 AM
Jul 2012

I don't know if we're supposed to be thinking about possible answers.

The more I think about this the more things don't stack up.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
111. Maybe schizophrenia?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jul 2012

He's young twenties, apparently very intelligent but withdrawing from a doctorate program-

Just my own rambling thoughts, I wonder if we will ever know.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
125. I think that is an intelligent guess.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

He does fit the profile.

In any event, what a tragedy for all involved.

EarthCitizen

(5 posts)
130. Hopefully no copycats, nuts tend to come out the woodwork in droves
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:18 PM
Jul 2012

Hopefully no copycats, nuts tend to come out the woodwork in droves

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