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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:58 PM Jul 2012

Mitt Romney Never Thought He'd Have To Release Tax Returns: Bain Sources

Source: HuffPost

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney has been determined to resist releasing his tax returns at least since his bid for Massachusetts governor in 2002 and has been confident that he will never be forced to do so, several current and former Bain executives tell The Huffington Post. Had he thought otherwise, say the sources based on their longtime understanding of Romney, he never would have gone forward with his run for president.

Bain executives say they've been instructed to keep company and Romney-specific information completely confidential, tightening the lockdown on an already closed company.

But pressure has been building on the presumptive GOP nominee. On Tuesday, the conservative National Review added its voice to a chorus of Republicans pushing him to disclose his returns from the years before 2010.

The Obama campaign has been hammering Romney for the past few weeks over his time at Bain, which Romney claims ended in February 1999, but which documents and his own testimony show lasted much longer. The ultimate prize for the Obama campaign would be a trove of Romney's tax returns.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1682539.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Mitt Romney Never Thought He'd Have To Release Tax Returns: Bain Sources (Original Post) maddezmom Jul 2012 OP
Stoopid elitist Republican BamBamBane Jul 2012 #1
This doesn't surprise me. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #2
Never ask a question or push an issue unless you already know the answer. There's that chess again. monmouth Jul 2012 #3
He's hoping this will blow over Stargazer09 Jul 2012 #4
Most definitely. You can see his annoyance in his face and his tone of voice for even being monmouth Jul 2012 #5
Exactly Stargazer09 Jul 2012 #7
Mitt is from a world where big business IS America. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #17
Well, when I call the IRS nichomachus Jul 2012 #9
Would not be wise to do. LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #31
There are ways to get the info without leaving a trail. nichomachus Jul 2012 #33
What you're suggesting is illegal leftynyc Jul 2012 #34
It would be a disaster Sgent Jul 2012 #35
I think you are right and Mitt is gonna drop out Botany Jul 2012 #11
Motives of Republicans Calling for Release of Mitt's Tax Returns bucolic_frolic Jul 2012 #6
Wouldn't that be nice? Stargazer09 Jul 2012 #8
any republican is a guaranteed disaster. barbtries Jul 2012 #10
Oh, I definitely agree Stargazer09 Jul 2012 #28
"Wouldn't that be nice?" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #18
Yes and no Stargazer09 Jul 2012 #29
It's red states the Republicans are focused. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #30
I would rather stick with Mitt as their nominee LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #32
Shudder spinbaby Jul 2012 #13
I think they want to get someone else in there as soon as possible... n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #14
"I think they want to get someone else in there as soon as possible.." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #21
I suspect this is all BS floated by the Romney campaign cleduc Jul 2012 #12
No problem... jaysunb Jul 2012 #22
that's how they got Dan Rather renate Jul 2012 #24
I disagree PSPS Jul 2012 #25
I have a feeling if they are ever going to be released.. AsahinaKimi Jul 2012 #15
Well if he does drop out, cleduc Jul 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author AsahinaKimi Jul 2012 #19
Can any republican reading this explain why Mitt refuses Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #20
What a moron! Zyzafyx Jul 2012 #23
So if he had said during the primary Politicalboi Jul 2012 #26
He's not going to drop out or release his returns. He's raised more than $400 mil, has the delegates riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #27

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
2. This doesn't surprise me.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:03 PM
Jul 2012

He thinks that the only authority he has to listen to is the SEC, and if he doesn't have to show it to the SEC, he doesn't have to show it to We The Help. Figured he could just buy what ever government position he was bored enough to want, and that would be that.

Betcha he would have structured some things a little differently over the years had he thought it through...

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
3. Never ask a question or push an issue unless you already know the answer. There's that chess again.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jul 2012

I have no doubt the Obama campaign knows exactly what Romney is hiding and this is going to be a death by a thousand cuts. To be honest, if Romney is that adamant about not releasing his tax returns, which I think he is, he might drop out. Just speculating.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
4. He's hoping this will blow over
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jul 2012

After all, he's never really been held accountable for his actions before now. He expects the same treatment he's gotten all of his life: "Oh, you're rich, so you don't have to do anything you don't want to do."

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
5. Most definitely. You can see his annoyance in his face and his tone of voice for even being
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jul 2012

questioned on any of this. He is used to "respect" from all quarters and dammit, why is he not getting it now????

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
7. Exactly
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jul 2012

He's not used to being powerless, and he completely underestimated his opponent AND the American people. I'm looking forward to watching the implosion of Mittens. It's going to be messy.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. Mitt is from a world where big business IS America.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jul 2012

That's why their first attempt to spin it was to say it was patriotic to avoid paying taxes.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
9. Well, when I call the IRS
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jul 2012

The clerk who answers the phone can push a few buttons on her computer and see my tax returns.

Do you suppose her boss -- the Secretary of the Treasury -- might be able to do the same thing?

LiberalFighter

(51,083 posts)
31. Would not be wise to do.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jul 2012

They would know who peeked at the filings. And would more than likely be a crime.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. What you're suggesting is illegal
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jul 2012

More likely someone in the mccain/palin campaign has shared this info cuz I do think Pres Obama knows what romney is hiding.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
35. It would be a disaster
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jul 2012

if the Obama administration did that.

Its a crime, it uses the IRS for political gain, and it would make Watergate look like small potatoes.

Botany

(70,578 posts)
11. I think you are right and Mitt is gonna drop out
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jul 2012

from the very little i can glean Mitt might very well have broken the law
or at least pushed "it" to its limit.

Did he steal from pension funds of the companies he took over?
Did he pay no tax for some years?
Did he file bogus paper work w/ the SEC and or the FEC?
Is he worth far more than he is saying?
Did he park his funds off shore in order to not pay taxes?
How can you get $100,000,000 into an IRA?

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
6. Motives of Republicans Calling for Release of Mitt's Tax Returns
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jul 2012

I originally thought they were just trying to appear reasonable to the general voting public

knowing that the whole mess would blow over

Now ....

I'm beginning to wonder if they're thinking that if the tax returns are that bad and are
released and they can't carry water ... that they might have a chance to ....


DITCH MITT!!!

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
8. Wouldn't that be nice?
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jul 2012

The whole thing blows up, Mittens gets dumped, and the GOP are forced to scramble to find someone ready and able to take his place, mere months before the election.

Then again, I shudder to think about who they'd choose to replace him. That could be a scarier prospect than what we have with Mittens.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
28. Oh, I definitely agree
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:32 PM
Jul 2012

But a last-minute candidate would make the GOP appear weak and desperate, and that's a good thing. Anything that helps Obama is definitely a good thing.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
29. Yes and no
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:37 PM
Jul 2012

He seems easy to beat right now, but we haven't seen the worst of the attack ads yet. He and his ilk have a HUGE amount of money available to try and buy this election, and his rich buddies are willing to throw as much money into the fight as they can.

I'm nervous about November, despite the huge positives in Obama's favor. Elections have been rigged before, and with so much at stake this year, it could get ugly.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. It's red states the Republicans are focused.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jul 2012

They're still trying to get them to support a guy they think of as a rich city slicker.

LiberalFighter

(51,083 posts)
32. I would rather stick with Mitt as their nominee
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:54 PM
Jul 2012

Otherwise, we risk a lower turnout on our side that would effect all Democratic candidates.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
21. "I think they want to get someone else in there as soon as possible.."
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jul 2012

Uh huh,....and Rick Perry started started jumping up and down and waving his arms.....

Keep in mind that when people accused Bush of being stupid a lot of political insiders in the Republican Party said he was a LOT smarter then he seemed and part of that was an act to endear himself to voters.

When people say Rick Perry is stupid those same political insiders in the Republican Party refuse to do the same....

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
12. I suspect this is all BS floated by the Romney campaign
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jul 2012

I think Romney will release a few more years when he was Governor (or not heavily active with Bain) that won't show much and then try to get away with that.

It's all a build up that this is really painful for him. The media goes off the deep end speculating the worst. Then when he releases a couple of more 'clean years', the GOP pundits will say "see? there wasn't a big problem. Mitt is a man of principle who didn't want his personal info distorted". The media will retreat embarrassed by their wild speculation. And that will take the heat off the years he really doesn't want you to see: 1997-2001 (or whatever). And it will help diffuse Bain.

He's known for some time that he was running for office. So he's been cleaning up his act for years. He just doesn't want folks to see what he was up to during his Bain years when he was making massive amounts of money in less publicly acceptable ways.

So this all strikes me as media smoke to avoid confirming their suspicions in the tax years that really matter.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
22. No problem...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

there's lots more that has nothing to do w/ Bain or taxes. Coming soon to a tee vee near you.

renate

(13,776 posts)
24. that's how they got Dan Rather
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jul 2012

Big leadup to a big scandal... introduce a tiny speck of possible doubt to suggest that the story might not be true... and then it was all "nothing to see here folks" as the MSM left Dan Rather twisting in the wind. Nobody dared follow up and risk Rather's fate.

Edited to add: Whoops! I meant to add--Welcome to DU!

PSPS

(13,614 posts)
25. I disagree
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:05 PM
Jul 2012

I understand what you're saying, but neither Romney nor his campaign team are up to that kind of stagecraft. If they were, they wouldn't have let this drag on for so long. The damage that's already been done to Romney is probably enough to scuttle his run.

No, I agree with the opinion that Romney knows that the returns he's hiding are politically toxic: paid no tax at all, some kind of criminal activity, or, my guess, profiting from criminal activity via investments shared by criminals and/or foreign despots like Gaddafi or Mubarak.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
15. I have a feeling if they are ever going to be released..
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jul 2012

It will be something juicy... that will make him look worse than he looks now. If they keep the pressure up, he may have to drop out if its all that bad.

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
16. Well if he does drop out,
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jul 2012

I hope it's after the convention when they've spent a bunch of dough promoting him

Response to cleduc (Reply #16)

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
26. So if he had said during the primary
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jul 2012

That he wasn't going to release anymore taxes, I bet he never would be where he is now. We should turn this on him by calling him a cheater during the primaries. Bring Newt back from the dead. Maybe they can undo what has been done.

That would be a good ad. Get the baggers all worked up over the misrepresentation of Rmoney. Use the old primary ads with the GOP. Make them want to take over the convention and either run Ron Paul or Sarah. LOL!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
27. He's not going to drop out or release his returns. He's raised more than $400 mil, has the delegates
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:01 PM
Jul 2012

he has a substantial portion of firebreathers (the 20 - 25% who will vote ABO - Anyone But Obama) and the approximately 2% Mormon US population already in his pocket. Plus the polls still show this race as very close. Clearly a substantial portion of the electorate is okay with rMoney just the way he is - sans tax returns.

He knows that whatever the shit-storm is NOW, will be 10x worse when we finally see what's in there. He has no reason to release. He'll wait this out until the media gets tired and starts saying that Obama is the unreasonable one for continually harping on it.

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