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highplainsdem

(49,029 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:03 PM Feb 2017

Vladimir Putin accuses Ukraine of stoking violence to win support from Donald Trump

Source: Telegraph

Vladimir Putin has accused the Ukrainian government of stoking violence the country’s war torn east in a bid to win support from Donald Trump and draw the US into the conflict there.

Speaking in Budapest, Mr Putin said Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine, may also have ordered an escalation in fighting partly because he hoped to attract financial support from Europe and the United States.

““The Ukrainian leadership needs money. They can only get money from the US, EU and financial institutions if they present themselves as victims,” Mr Putin said on Thursday.

Renewed fighting erupted in east Ukraine over the weekend, when both Ukraine and Russian-backed separatists accused one another of launching offensives near the industrial town of Avdiivka.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/vladimir-putin-accuses-ukraine-stoking-violence-win-support/



So that's Putin's cue to his puppet, creating a false narrative.

What's Donald's line in response? Something like "Ukraine should know that I won't reward this behavior by offering US support"?
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Vladimir Putin accuses Ukraine of stoking violence to win support from Donald Trump (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2017 OP
Like when Poland incited violence againt Germany and Hitler had to come in and calm things down nt doc03 Feb 2017 #1
All too apt analogy. MBS Feb 2017 #3
As Russia uses weapons against Ukraine that shouldn't be on asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #2
Even over here in the US MBS Feb 2017 #9
And to think even our FBI could be complicit - asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #12
That, too. MBS Feb 2017 #19
Yalta 2 - asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #4
Boy we live in a bizarre insane world! ananda Feb 2017 #5
I am sure our nit-wit BLOTUS will push this idiocy as well etherealtruth Feb 2017 #6
He probably thinks all the players are still alive. LisaM Feb 2017 #7
i'd laugh ... but you actually could be right :-( etherealtruth Feb 2017 #10
I don't think I understood any of that underpants Feb 2017 #8
Vladimir Putin is the Nelson Muntz of world leaders. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #11
AND SO IT BEGINS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, benld74 Feb 2017 #13
but! RegexReader Feb 2017 #22
it's as if pravda never closed down. nt Javaman Feb 2017 #14
Speaking in Budapest, Mr Putin said Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine DK504 Feb 2017 #15
Absurdity on its head. grantcart Feb 2017 #16
Classic. MBS Feb 2017 #20
We disarmed the Ukraine of their nuclear deterrence... yallerdawg Feb 2017 #17
Pants on Fire!!!, 10 Pinnochios. lark Feb 2017 #18
Who's he trying to kid? n/t malthaussen Feb 2017 #21
Putie put poodle won't do anything hankthecrank Feb 2017 #23
Right... sakabatou Feb 2017 #24
a bit off topic but.... steve2470 Feb 2017 #25
Putin's lies rival Trumpy's. He's pretty good. He may be better. Trumpy and Putin can compete! Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #26

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
2. As Russia uses weapons against Ukraine that shouldn't be on
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:11 PM
Feb 2017

the battle field..and this -

Just before Trump took office, NATO deployed forces in Poland to deter Russia. Poland's defense minister declared the move meant that "Yalta is over."

But within a week Trump was the new president.

The fear of a Yalta 2.0 is so palpable that Poland's Foreign Minister traveled to Washington before the inauguration and tried to reassure his people, telling them he spoke with Trump advisors and -- "there will not be a new Yalta."

Here we go!!!!!! RESIST!!!!!!!

MBS

(9,688 posts)
9. Even over here in the US
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:20 PM
Feb 2017

it's so easy to imagine how they must feel, that I feel their fear, viscerally, myself. And I shiver thinking about the even greater vulnerability of the Baltic countries.

My fear is further magnified by the corruption and utter incompetence of our new administration. As a former assistant secretary of state in the Obama administration put it, sarcastically:

Asked whether federal workers are dissenting in ways that go beyond previous party changes in the White House, Tom Malinow­ski, who was President Barack Obama’s assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor, said, sarcastically: “Is it unusual? .?.?. There’s nothing unusual about the entire national security bureaucracy of the United States feeling like their commander in chief is a threat to U.S. national security. That happens all the time. It’s totally usual. Nothing to worry about.”


(source of quote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/resistance-from-within-federal-workers-push-back-against-trump/2017/01/31/c65b110e-e7cb-11e6-b82f-687d6e6a3e7c_story.html?)

So scary not to be able to trust my own government to protect our national security.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
12. And to think even our FBI could be complicit -
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:29 PM
Feb 2017

We know this had a beginning..but we just don't know where it ends....integrity out - chaos in..

Be well -

MBS

(9,688 posts)
19. That, too.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

Plus the knowledge that Bannon and Flynn (both of whom I consider to be traitors, and both of them as insane as Trump) are - shudder - Trump's chief advisors.
Like many people, I have this persistent feeling that I'm in a bad movie. One that, as you said, where we are biting our nails about the ending.

These people have NO business in the White House.
Even in 13 days, they've already done incalculable damage to our security and to our reputation.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. Yalta 2 -
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:13 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/opinions/putin-wants-yalta-2-0-and-trump-may-give-it-to-him-ghitis/index.html

...snip....

When Americans elected Donald Trump president, they unleashed a political earthquake whose magnitude the entire world is urgently trying to gauge. The list of concerns is far reaching, but for many, the most pressing is whether Trump will keep the United States as an advocate and defender of democracy, freedom, and self-determination. The question comes down to whether Trump is about to carry out a grand betrayal, known to many by the shorthand "Yalta 2.0."

ananda

(28,874 posts)
5. Boy we live in a bizarre insane world!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:14 PM
Feb 2017

I guess Trump, being Putin's best rentboy, will
say no of course we won't help the Ukraine.

Sheesh

RESIST all right!

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
7. He probably thinks all the players are still alive.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:17 PM
Feb 2017

For all we know, he's trying to schedule a meeting with Churchill.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
22. but!
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:27 PM
Feb 2017

where does this lunacy end?

the old Cold War military industry is fapping with their tiny cocks in expectation of more of our tax dollars that would be better spent on education or refugee resettlement.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
15. Speaking in Budapest, Mr Putin said Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:40 PM
Feb 2017

may also have ordered an escalation in fighting partly because he hoped to attract financial support from Europe and the United States.

I hope to hell the Ukraines are fighting the invaders from Russia and save their country from a dictator.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
17. We disarmed the Ukraine of their nuclear deterrence...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:55 PM
Feb 2017

and guaranteed their sovereignty.

I'm sure the world is taking notice.

lark

(23,147 posts)
18. Pants on Fire!!!, 10 Pinnochios.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:12 PM
Feb 2017

Putin was waiting for the all clear from Drumpf the other day and of course traitorous orange assface said OK, take them over and the bombing started almost immediately. This is why Drumpf has all the recording equipment turned off, no one could know that he's colluding with Russia to invade a sovereign country. Of course he's making up lies and trying to blame it on them, that's exactly what dictators do.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
25. a bit off topic but....
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 03:11 AM
Feb 2017

where's our faithful Russian defenders ? You know, the ones who always cried victim any time anything critical came up with the Kremlin or Putin ? Did they all get banned ?

Back on topic, Putin, your nose just grew a bit.

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