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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:43 PM Jan 2017

Donald Trump slams Angela Merkel's refugee policy

Source: Deutsche Welle

US President-elect Donald Trump labeled German Chancellor Angela Merkel's stance on refugees a "catastrophic mistake." He said the policy would lead to even more countries leaving the European Union after Britain.

President-elect Trump heavily criticized Chancellor Merkel's open-door policy on refugees in a joint interview published on Sunday with German tabloid newspaper "Bild" and British newspaper "The Times of London."

"I think she made one very catastrophic mistake and that was taking all of these illegals, you know, taking all of the people from wherever they come from,” he said.

"And nobody even knows where they come from. So I think she made a catastrophic mistake, very bad mistake.”
In 2015 about 900,000 migrants, many coming from Syria, entered Germany after Merkel opened the country's doors, famously saying "we can do this."

Read more: http://www.dw.com/en/donald-trump-slams-angela-merkels-refugee-policy/a-37141791

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Donald Trump slams Angela Merkel's refugee policy (Original Post) Little Tich Jan 2017 OP
"Taking all of these illegals...." Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #1
And everyone who supports him. Clear now it is not possible to be a Trump supporter and Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #5
Just proves that GP6971 Jan 2017 #2
He's doing pooty's work to weaken Merkel kimbutgar Jan 2017 #3
This! GliderGuider Jan 2017 #8
The last few years woundedkarma Jan 2017 #14
The fighting in Syria has been a double win for Putin GliderGuider Jan 2017 #16
Yes, I am afraid that you are right. n/t MBS Jan 2017 #19
We will have no allies, but Putin if this keeps up Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #4
They wont and that will be the epitaph of the human race. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #6
why bother with nukes? woundedkarma Jan 2017 #15
Agree with all of that, but I dont think the first shot comes from Russia, I think Trump wags the Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #18
When asked who he trusted most, Putin or Merkel mobeau69 Jan 2017 #7
Bet Putin said it first! 6000eliot Jan 2017 #9
He is dissing Merkel & Germany is one of our closest allies Norbert Jan 2017 #10
Wow is right. MBS Jan 2017 #20
Sucking Up to Russia, But Criticizing Our Allies... TomCADem Jan 2017 #11
Incoming US president: Anything Russian is all good, anything American is very bad dalton99a Jan 2017 #13
Trump's opinion about Germany's migrant policies branford Jan 2017 #12
"he's far more shrewd and politically and media savvy" BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #17
had the Bush corporation not illegally invaded Iraq, we would have no humanitarian refugee problem olddad56 Jan 2017 #21

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
1. "Taking all of these illegals...."
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:45 PM
Jan 2017

That in a nutshell tells you everything you need to know about the character of Donald Trump.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
5. And everyone who supports him. Clear now it is not possible to be a Trump supporter and
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jan 2017

a Christian.

Not possible at all.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
8. This!
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 10:11 PM
Jan 2017

IMO Putin is playing a long game of destabilizing democracies around the world, and has found the perfect tool in Trump. I don't think this Putin's game is about blackmailing Trump to gain a willing puppet in America. It is about the much longer-term objective of destabilizing democracies by fostering fear, uncertainty, doubt, mistrust, suspicion and ideologically hardened antagonism.

This program is working well inside the USA - all the proof we need can be had by taking an objective look at the behavior of Congress, the relationship between Trump and the IC, and the increasingly bitter face-off in general society between the Trumpites and everyone else. The international picture is starting to show evidence of this destabilization program as well - Israel doesn't want to share intel with the US any more; Trump is on Merkel's case over "illegals"; the Syrian situation has all the players not knowing who they can legitimately trust or support; not to mention the impenetrable cloud of ideological FUD that has been stirred up around Ukraine.

IMO the publication of the dossier largely took the possibility of blackmail off the table, but it definitely stirred up the antagonism. Putin's game has all of us pointing fingers at each other, while leaving Russia alone to pursue its interests with less and less organized opposition.

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
14. The last few years
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:07 AM
Jan 2017

I think if we could take a deep look into all the things that have been going wrong for the last decade or so we might find Russian hands in a great many pies.

Financial collapse in Europe? Surely that was caused by wall street right?

Brexit? That was a decision made by voters right?

Syria.... they certainly took advantage of the situation

In light of Putin putting Trump on the throne, how can we look at anything that's been happening and NOT wonder if something else was going on.

All our allies are disappearing or suddenly have crazy stuff to deal with.. or are sucking up to Russia.

Look at Japan. The prime minister is meeting with Putin.

Britain is dealing with it's on Trump like crap.

France is imploding for various reasons.

Germany is having trouble as well.

What if instead of it all just being things changing as things do.... what if it's Putin?

I think we're in the midst of world war 3 but nobody seems to have realized it.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. The fighting in Syria has been a double win for Putin
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:55 AM
Jan 2017

The incomprehensibility of the Syrian alliances and their funding has made governments suspicious of each other, and the flood of Syrian refugees has helped enormously to destabilize Europe.

There are always weak points in the global power structures, but it looks to me like Putin has been opportunistically identifying and exacerbating them. I would expect that Putin's internet troll army played a role in the Brexit "No" vote, and there is no doubt that they have been blowing enormous clouds of confusion around Ukraine.

the goal of all this work is the same as it has ever been - providing Russia with national security. This time instead of invading and annexing border states, they are disrupting and distracting any possible international opposition. Ensuring the security of the Rodina has been Russia's overwhelming preoccupation since the end of WWII.

An unnoticed WWIII is a good way of describing what's happening. Never forget Putin's background. That leopard has never changed his spots, he just got more stealthy, cunning and sophisticated. People who focus only on the immediate local events in their own country while dismissing possibility that they are part of a larger geopolitical strategy are playing into his hands.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
4. We will have no allies, but Putin if this keeps up
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:47 PM
Jan 2017

TRUMP MUST BE STOPPED!

For love of God Republicans; when will you to stop putting power and party over the security of the world?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
6. They wont and that will be the epitaph of the human race.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:50 PM
Jan 2017

They could have prevented the upcoming world wide nuclear war, but didnt.

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
15. why bother with nukes?
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:10 AM
Jan 2017

Nuclear war is destructive and nobody is left to admit you won.

I don't think nukes will be involved at all.

Putin has been waging wwiii for years and hasn't fired a single nuke. Yet, he is very close to winning and nobody else even seems to notice we're under attack.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
18. Agree with all of that, but I dont think the first shot comes from Russia, I think Trump wags the
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jan 2017

dog with a nuke, ends up starting a war.

We have to be realistic, Donald Trump would do anything, absolutely anything for profit or to get revenge or to say he was right about something.

Allowing him near the nuclear arsenal was NOT an option, what we have done even though it was not a legitimate election is something I fear we cant undo.

Also, most of the rest of the world now sees our country as a dangerous potential enemy. What do they need to do to make sure the idiot doesnt do something stupid?


WE HAD to show up en masse on election day, not cast a SINGLE vote for 3rd party, but we didnt.

mobeau69

(11,149 posts)
7. When asked who he trusted most, Putin or Merkel
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jan 2017

he answered that he "trust them both." He put our ally Germany on equal par with Russia. What a fucking mess we're in. The one "reporter" was an expro-brixit supporter so he was likely fond of Shitler. Nothing but a plant.

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
10. He is dissing Merkel & Germany is one of our closest allies
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:13 PM
Jan 2017

while continuing to give Putin and Russia a free pass. Wow! Just Wow!

MBS

(9,688 posts)
20. Wow is right.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jan 2017

Not just shocking, but unprecedented, like everything else about this president-"elect" and the impending disaster that he embodies.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
12. Trump's opinion about Germany's migrant policies
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:47 AM
Jan 2017

are widely shared among a great many, if not clear majority of, Americans and Europeans, including many Germans. Given the importance of immigration in the Brexit debate, and the close margin of the vote, it quite possible the migrant crisis may have been a small, yet deciding factor, in Brexit.

Regardless of whether you agree with them or not (and many on DU most certainly disagree with Merkel's original position on the migrants), Merkel's policies have been a political disaster for the left and middle in Germany and throughout the EU, giving a boost to the right and far right across the continent and making the EU itself more unpopular and even seeming yet more feckless and useless. Merkel is no fool, and she and her party have now backed-off many of these policies.

Few European leader are about to engage in an argument with Trump about the migrants, particularly when French and German elections are so close.

Trump is many things, most of them quite bad, but he's far more shrewd and politically and media savvy than many here are willing to give him credit for. Issues like this energize his base and put Democrats on the defensive when supporting issues like sanctuary cities and mass deportation.



BumRushDaShow

(129,236 posts)
17. "he's far more shrewd and politically and media savvy"
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 09:34 AM
Jan 2017

He may be "media savvy" but his ONLY interest is not in the nation, but in what is good for HIMSELF (first and then his family second). THIS is what DUers are essentially saying. In his world, the oft-used euphemism -"There are no permanent enemies or permanent friends, just permanent interests" - applies.

His "public positions" (via idiotic stream-of-consciousness tweets and/or interviews on political shows) literally CHANGE by the hour. His own "base" is being whipped around as he proclaims that Mexico will pay for a wall and then reverses himself and says the U.S. will pay for a wall and "negotiate with Mexico" for reimbursement and other nonsense. He has proclaimed that he will throw out all of the "illegals" one day, and then reverses that and claims he wants to consider service in the military as being a path to citizenship by those "illegals", in addition to encouraging more European immigrants.

IMHO, too many actually try to give him "credit" for his erratic behavior (akin to glorifying the likes of a Ted Kaczynski, a Harvard graduate and prodigy who was likewise mentally unstable), where some of his "policies" were regurgitated from his advisors and others from his own addled brain, and in direct conflict with what he might have said a day earlier.

I.e., don't confuse his ability to manipulate the press and garner media "attention" (whether negative or positive) with some sort of "savvy" or brilliance on his part when it comes to policy issues. His multiple bankruptcies reflect his bankrupt mind. He is the useful idiot of the media providing them ratings and in return, he gets to feed his ego.

Europe's post-WWI partitioning of the Middle East has come home to roost and contemporary Europe (mostly "Western Europe&quot is now trying to deal with what their antecedent colonial & empire-building predecessors left behind. And that includes mass immigration from former colonies of theirs, as those governments destabilized (with and without their earlier help).

As a side note, I had recorded the film "Metropolis" (1927) about 5 years ago when it ran on TCM. I finally watched it last night. From that 2 hour 28 minute film (TCM had the full restored version that had recently been compiled from a copy of missing footage that had been found in 2008), there is a scene near the end where the underground workers have been so whipped into a frenzy to destroy the machinery that powered the great city of the wealthy above, that they refused to comprehend that doing so would destroy their own dwellings below that were powered and protected by the same machinery. The poor Workers' Foreman begged and pleaded that they not take out the final piece - the "Heart Machine" that he alone maintained, and that held the rest of the operations together. But like the Trump voters we see today, in their foaming-at-the-mouth fury, they took it out anyway and then sang and danced around the remains of the central core machine while pipes burst around the city above and flooded their own dwellings in the city below - where their children were sleeping and left unattended to drown. The scene of the defeated Foreman asking them where their children were while their own city was being flooded, resulted in what was designed to be a heart-breaking scene - the mob suddenly waking up out of a stupor from their acts of glorious retribution, and ultimately wailing in pain. Of course they then went looking for a scapegoat - who would be one of the main protagonists (a pious and generous religious woman known by the workers, who was targeted and eventually replicated as a machine designed to deceive the workers by order of the upper City Manager). However in what could be considered "Hollywood style happy ending" (although the film was German), the children had already been rescued by the main protagonists (including the original human woman who had been replicated, where the android version of her was eventually destroyed by the mob who soon discovered what they "burned at the stake as a witch" was but a machine).

These types of human nature stories (and potential resolutions) may need to be looked at in order to come up with strategies.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
21. had the Bush corporation not illegally invaded Iraq, we would have no humanitarian refugee problem
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:00 PM
Jan 2017

in Europe. Bushco started ww3 and Trump will end it with a bang.

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