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Blue Gardener

(3,938 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:53 PM Jul 2012

State senate candidate drops out, says she’ll be part of alternate government

Source: Cedar Rapids Gazette

UPDATE: Iowa Republicans plan to choose another candidate to run in Senate District 34 against Democrat Liz Mathis, after Randi Shannon bailed on the race to pursue leadership in an alternate form of government.

Shannon, who describes herself as an entrepreneur and homeschooling mom, released a four-page message Friday saying she is now the senator of the Republic of the United States of America and the Republic for Iowa.

The group believes that America’s original form of government, a collection of republics, was usurped in 1871 by a corporation called the United States Corporation, according to the group’s website.

Read more: http://thegazette.com/2012/07/13/state-senate-candidate-drops-out-says-she-will-be-part-of-alternate-government-2/



Apparently Iowa has their fair share of crackpots. The Cedar Rapids Gazette website has a four page letter she wrote explaining her decision.
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State senate candidate drops out, says she’ll be part of alternate government (Original Post) Blue Gardener Jul 2012 OP
Corn gets fermented sometimes. Scuba Jul 2012 #1
I just put water through my nose, thanks to you!!! nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #5
LOL Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #19
Annnnnd Scuba wins the thread. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #50
me too... spilled my coffee DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #51
Duzy! FSogol Jul 2012 #53
LOOK OUT! Republicans will be "mainstreaming" it next year! annabanana Jul 2012 #2
"There is NOTHING too nutz for the new repubs!" FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #3
Oh please, make it stop! Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #4
Iowa. Iowa has some crazy people including Rep Steve King, but most aren't that crazy. libinnyandia Jul 2012 #6
Oops. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #14
That's ok. A lot of people mix up the 2, especially back east. During my 20+ years in NYC most libinnyandia Jul 2012 #22
Remember that Seinfeld episode where he made a guy Incitatus Jul 2012 #34
their Speaker of the House goes by “Rowdy” Enrique Jul 2012 #7
IOWA Oldtimeralso Jul 2012 #8
Idiots Out Wandering Around Thor_MN Jul 2012 #41
sorry but it is... Oldtimeralso Jul 2012 #46
Tomato... Thor_MN Jul 2012 #48
Eastern Iowa state Senate candidate drops bid;says she has been appointed ‘Republic’ Senator instead struggle4progress Jul 2012 #9
"...months of research." Raster Jul 2012 #11
She actually means four hours over the night of June 30/July 1. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #57
Bagger, truther or militia......or just plain crazy. Historic NY Jul 2012 #29
It's the "sovereign citizen" crowd -- fellow-travelers with the militia folk struggle4progress Jul 2012 #33
Is insanity a requirement of the GOP? BattyDem Jul 2012 #10
GOP has been painting itself into the Fruits-n-Nuts section for years struggle4progress Jul 2012 #15
AND they're effectively running the show! FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #17
Get enough people to join you and the crackpots become powerful. bloomington-lib Jul 2012 #13
Depends on how large an uprising we're talking. Bunch of beer-swilling couch potatoes? Pretty safe. DRoseDARs Jul 2012 #20
that's what happened to Nazi party in 1930's wordpix Jul 2012 #30
Oh that is ADORABLE, they even have their own wittle pwesident touwing the countwee... DRoseDARs Jul 2012 #16
indeed! adorable treason! :) NuttyFluffers Jul 2012 #39
I bet she has a bunker in her backyard Blue Gardener Jul 2012 #18
Crow jerky! Or,... longship Jul 2012 #23
Not in my kingdom, lady! I am in charge here! n/t Bossy Monkey Jul 2012 #21
‘Sovereign Citizen’ Killed in Altercation with Police in Arizona (June 2011) struggle4progress Jul 2012 #24
... As part of a shadow government created by the "Republic for the united States of America," struggle4progress Jul 2012 #25
This is straight out the most enthralling of the youtube CT mania. Been going on for years. See, freshwest Jul 2012 #35
The "sovereign citizen" crazies predate the internet struggle4progress Jul 2012 #36
Yes, but that's where most of them having been spreading it. freshwest Jul 2012 #38
Father in Apparent Murder-Suicide was ‘Congressman’ in ‘Republic’ (February 2012) struggle4progress Jul 2012 #26
If they don't recognize the legitimate government then I assume they don't vote. drm604 Jul 2012 #27
Wow!! Obama's being President really has sent the GOP over the edge. nanabugg Jul 2012 #28
Never cared for Iowa that much. I'd order the caucuses & primaries based on percent turnout of 24601 Jul 2012 #31
cu proud patriot Jul 2012 #32
Dear Randi, if you say so, then set an example by: alp227 Jul 2012 #37
- not eating food or drinking water regulated to health standards NuttyFluffers Jul 2012 #40
The next Michelle Bachmann. randome Jul 2012 #42
Oh, is that how it works? sofa king Jul 2012 #43
Let me guess, she was losing. nt auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #44
She would have lost had she stayed in Blue Gardener Jul 2012 #47
She's homeschooling her child (or children). surrealAmerican Jul 2012 #45
This bothered me, too! I wonder if ohgeewhiz Jul 2012 #49
They are not taking AP Government, I suspect. FSogol Jul 2012 #54
link to her letter d_r Jul 2012 #52
Sooooooooo, she appears to be saying that African-Americans are *not* citizens of the United States. ieoeja Jul 2012 #55
"I want to especially thank my fellow Ron Paul for President Supporters" KamaAina Jul 2012 #56

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
12. "There is NOTHING too nutz for the new repubs!"
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jul 2012

Truer words were never spoken.

I did not believe the human race could fall this far.

Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
4. Oh please, make it stop!
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:03 PM
Jul 2012

Does she say if she would like Ohio to join Jesusland, or is it going to be its own little Duchy?

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
22. That's ok. A lot of people mix up the 2, especially back east. During my 20+ years in NYC most
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
Jul 2012

people thought I was from Ohio.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. their Speaker of the House goes by “Rowdy”
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:22 PM
Jul 2012
She met with other leaders in the Republic of the United States of America and was appointed senator by the group’s Iowa delegation, which includes four house members, treasurer, judge and governor.

The Iowa group’s speaker of the house, George “Rowdy” Templer, of Davenport, said the group believes citizens have been burdened by the cost of the current government. The Republic of the United States of America would abolish federal taxes and require citizens to approve all state and local taxes.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
9. Eastern Iowa state Senate candidate drops bid;says she has been appointed ‘Republic’ Senator instead
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:36 PM
Jul 2012

3:29 PM, Jul 13, 2012 | by Jason Noble

The Republican candidate for a state Senate seat in eastern Iowa has ended her campaign and instead declared herself a U.S. Senator for the state of Iowa.

In a letter dated July 4, the candidate, Randi Shannon of Coralville, argued that the legitimate federal government of the United States was replaced by illegitimate “corporate” government in 1871 and has been operating since then in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

She learned this fact just recently, she said, and has come to believe it after months of research.

Dropping her bid for state office was a rejection of that illegitimate government. Now, she said she has been appointed to serve as a U.S. senator in the recently revived and constitutionally legitimate Republic of the United States of America. She was placed in the office, she said, by Iowa’s four U.S. House members in the “Republic” government ...

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/07/13/eastern-iowa-state-senate-candidate-drops-bid-says-she-has-been-appointed-u-s-senator-instead/


Wish her success on her new planet

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
33. It's the "sovereign citizen" crowd -- fellow-travelers with the militia folk
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jul 2012

They spew truckloads of verbal manure -- but they apparently really believe the crap they spew, they're sometimes organized, and they can be quite a nuisance

Phony court judgments and phony arrest warrants issued by these wackos have too often in the past been assumed to be legitimate by folk who should have known better, causing all sorts of headaches. That they believe what they say, frequently leads to a dead-set-and-determined-to-kill-or-be-killed attitude, as illustrated by some links down thread

But it's also la-la-land. Look up what they're screeching loudly about: the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, which unified the various DC governments that existed before then. They have some crackpot theory about how the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 replaced our earlier constitutional government by an all powerful corporation called "The United States"

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
17. AND they're effectively running the show!
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jul 2012

We need to face the fact that the whole country is nuts or these people would have no positions of power.

bloomington-lib

(946 posts)
13. Get enough people to join you and the crackpots become powerful.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:03 PM
Jul 2012

How likely is it that if Obama wins, they'll attempt some sort of coup? I'm not talking about these crazies, but the right in particular, with their alternate govt and their supposed moral majority.

If they did attempt it, does the US have the ability or safeguards to stop it?

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
20. Depends on how large an uprising we're talking. Bunch of beer-swilling couch potatoes? Pretty safe.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:29 PM
Jul 2012

Quasi-paramilitary weekend warrior militias could do some domestic damage and cause casualties much like terrorists could (and yes, I'm separating the two groups, they are not necessarily the same, no matter how much you may despise them or they you), but they'd be dead very quickly once the National Guard and/or the US military is once again brought to bare on an insurrectionist movement on US soil. Didn't work out too well for the rebels-without-a-clue the past few times this has happened. We'll be fine as far as this specific scenario. Remember Waco? Yeah, totally botched operation, but also didn't trigger the popular uprising the Branch Davidians had hoped for.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
30. that's what happened to Nazi party in 1930's
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jul 2012

Started out as a few thug nutcases who got enough support to nearly take over all of Europe, killing millions in the process.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
16. Oh that is ADORABLE, they even have their own wittle pwesident touwing the countwee...
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jul 2012

Coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs, they are.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
24. ‘Sovereign Citizen’ Killed in Altercation with Police in Arizona (June 2011)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jul 2012

Posted in Sovereign Citizens by Leah Nelson on June 22, 2011

An antigovernment “sovereign citizen” who was shot dead Sunday night by police in Arizona appears to have been involved with a major sovereign group called the Republic for the united States of America (RuSA).

William Foust, 50, of Page, Ariz., was shot by Officer Shawn Wilson during a fight in which Foust allegedly attempted to wrest Wilson’s Taser from him, the Arizona Daily Sun reported yesterday.

The officer was responding to a domestic violence call at B & T Marine, a boat rental business owned by Foust and his wife. Foust fled the scene before police arrived but returned to carry on a “heated argument” with the female victim. He was “upset, loud, and confrontational with the officer,” the Cononino County Sheriff’s Office told reporters.

Foust, described by the Sun as a “well-known Page businessman,” was also a well-known sovereign citizen whose hostile reaction to a speeding ticket landed him in jail in December on contempt charges. In typical sovereign fashion, Foust dragged his feet on the ticket for months – clogging the court with a jumble of meaningless papers, refusing to acknowledge the judge’s authority or tell the judge his date of birth, and failing to appear at a scheduled hearing. Sovereigns typically believe they are not subject to the laws of the United States ...

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/06/22/sovereign-citizen-killed-in-altercation-with-police-in-arizona/

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
25. ... As part of a shadow government created by the "Republic for the united States of America,"
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:38 PM
Jul 2012

William Foust was designated the "chief justice" for Arizona. He was killed in June during an altercation with a police officer who responded to a domestic disturbance call ...
Intelligence Report, Fall 2011, Issue Number: 143
‘Sovereign’ President
Tim Turner says his ‘Republic for the united States’ is all about peaceful change. But recent events have authorities worried
By Ryan Lenz
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/fall/-sovereign-president

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. This is straight out the most enthralling of the youtube CT mania. Been going on for years. See,
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:25 AM
Jul 2012


The internet has left cyberspace and is becoming a factor in the real world! I expect those guys to arrive from Saturn any minute now. Or Niburu. Or Kolob. Really.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
38. Yes, but that's where most of them having been spreading it.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2012, 01:27 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a Canadian branch as well. From your link:

Tim Turner, a former commercial fishermen known to followers as “Mr. President,” has outlined a plan to “reinhabit” the U.S. government. He also claims the government has tried to assassinate him and that all industrialized nations have treaties with aliens.
FROM YOUTUBE


Falls into so many of these storylines, from Alex Collier being abducted by the Andromedians or 'good aliens' who was quoted by some Occupy people in London with 'Why do we have to pay to live on our own planet?' in a poster at their first round of actions.

Those as opposed to the evil aliens of Turner, and so many others who claim we've been living under the rule of a Nazi/UFO/Lucifierian global cult. Any attempt, using science, history or political science to discredit this is met by their contentions that these alien, disembodied entities can travel back and forth in time and are not restrained by time and space like all you sheeple have been tricked into believing actually exists, like the Federal Reserve. I could name a lot more of these voices from the ether, but.

They also are among the spreaders of the meme that there is no difference between any political party, that they are all a front for these entities, like something out of the film of invading aliens controlling our minds, THEY LIVE. Another thing going is the global consciousness thing, which probably exists in some format, in the media if nothing else.

Yet they say they want to protect the nation-states, most especially their interpretation of the Constitution, but in generally what they want is not that document, as they say the Founding Fathers are also part of the satanic, Masonic, ancient Babylonian banking scam. They want the Articles of the Confederation, not that pesky stuff like the Bill of Rights and the amendments.

It's endless, I'm not disputing what you've said, really, but there is a lot of Tea Party and Ron Paul mythology. The Birthers are part of this alternate reality, so that even if Obama was born in the USA, it doesn't change their view that he is a front man for extra terrestrial evil doers and they are arming themselves to fight like something out of a Star Wars movie. This doesn't leave you much room to argue with the true believers.

While this and some of the other constructs have their appeal, the fact is we are arguing about beliefs in the nature of reality as difficult to combat as religion. Or as simple as turning off the electrical grid and stopping the wackiness from being ingested into their brains.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
26. Father in Apparent Murder-Suicide was ‘Congressman’ in ‘Republic’ (February 2012)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:41 PM
Jul 2012

Posted in Antigovernment by Ryan Lenz on February 10, 2012

Last week, police made a startling announcement in their investigation of a fire that killed a father and son in their rural West Virginia mobile home in January. They revealed that David Hutzler, 56, and his 9-year-old son James, known as “Mack,” were each shot in the head before the trailer burned. The scene bore all the signs of a murder-suicide.

Investigators found accelerants used to start the fire scattered around the property in Glengary, W.Va. An autopsy later determined that one bullet had grazed the young boy’s chin before a second bullet took his life –– a detail that left terrifying questions about the young boy’s final moments.

“Due to the findings in the investigation it is believed that David Hutzler fatally shot his son James ‘Mack’ Hutzler and set fire to his residence before taking his own life,” police told local newspapers as they wrapped up their investigation.

A Hatewatch investigation has now confirmed that Hutzler was once a “congressman” in the Republic for the united States of America (RuSA), one of the largest and most organized antigovernment “sovereign citizens” groups active in the United States today. Led by “president” James Timothy Turner of Ozark, Ala., and with representatives in nearly every state, the group says the federal government is illegitimate and it is “reinhabiting” the true government ...

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/10/father-in-apparent-murder-suicide-was-congressman-in-antigovernment-republic/#more-8679

drm604

(16,230 posts)
27. If they don't recognize the legitimate government then I assume they don't vote.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:46 PM
Jul 2012

If so, then hopefully their membership will grow.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
28. Wow!! Obama's being President really has sent the GOP over the edge.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 10:09 PM
Jul 2012

They are more nuts than even I thought. That's what lack of sleep fueled by hate and unwarranted fear will do for you. You begin believing your own lies.

24601

(3,962 posts)
31. Never cared for Iowa that much. I'd order the caucuses & primaries based on percent turnout of
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jul 2012

registered voters in the previous general election.

Texas was a Republic - don't believe Iowa ever was - or ever will be.

alp227

(32,034 posts)
37. Dear Randi, if you say so, then set an example by:
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:50 AM
Jul 2012

- not driving on any public roads
- not borrowing books from the public library
- not visiting any state or national parks
- keep homeschooling your kids and never send them to gov...oops i meant public school
- not seeking any government subsidies for any of your businesses
- not registering for any public benefits
- not seeking any public health care services
- toting a gun and watching out for crimes instead of calling the cops

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
40. - not eating food or drinking water regulated to health standards
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:55 AM
Jul 2012

- not breathing EPA maintained cleaner air.

it's a fun list, no?

Blue Gardener

(3,938 posts)
47. She would have lost had she stayed in
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 06:25 AM
Jul 2012

The Democratic candidate is a former news anchor in the area. She's very well known and well liked.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
45. She's homeschooling her child (or children).
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jul 2012

I'm guessing she's teaching this nonsense as "history". Does Iowa have any standards for homeschool curriculum?

 

ohgeewhiz

(193 posts)
49. This bothered me, too! I wonder if
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jul 2012

there's a file on her at the Iowa Children's welfare agency.

If I knew she had kids and was keeping them out of public school to teach them this kind of baloney, I'd report her for child endangerment.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
52. link to her letter
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:26 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100007366/Randi-Shannon-State-Senate-Resignation-Letter-2012


It is sort of amazing!

By serving as your Senator in The Republic Congress, I am restrained to voting in line with Our Republic for The United States Constitution, which by the way does not contain the 14
th
Amendment or any thereafter as these are the product of “The De facto” UNITED STATES CORPORATION, and have no basis in Our Constitution. Therefore, “they are Their Problems” and when you join The Republic of The United States of America, they are no longer your problems! And as your Senator, I Proclaim here today that I am determined that “Their Problems” will never again become your problems in The Republic! Again, Remember, where the de jure Republic of The United States of America exists the de facto UNITED STATES CORPORATION, having no standing, must go away!
 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
55. Sooooooooo, she appears to be saying that African-Americans are *not* citizens of the United States.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jul 2012

"I want to especially thank my fellow Ron Paul for President Supporters."

Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.


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