House Reinstates 1876 rule - $1 wage for civil servants
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-poli
"House Republicans this week reinstated an arcane procedural rule that enables lawmakers to reach deep into the budget and slash the pay of an individual federal worker down to $1 a move that threatens to upend the 130-year-old civil service.
The Holman Rule, named after an Indiana congressman who devised it in 1876, empowers any member of Congress to propose amending an appropriations bill to single out a government employee or cut a specific program"
Think environmental protection employees, intelligent gathering agents, anyone in the gov. not toeing the line
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-republicans-revive-obscure-rule-that-could-allow-them-to-slash-the-pay-of-individual-federal-workers-to-1/2017/01/04/4e80c990-d2b2-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term.8b1df03b35f3
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Roland99
(53,342 posts)LonePirate
(13,424 posts)They are preparing an all out destruction on government and life as we know it.
no_hypocrisy
(46,114 posts)How about slashing the pay of congressional representatives and senators down to $1 and see who shows up? (Wait a minute! I forgot about the honorariums and donations and gifts. They may not miss their salaries after all.)
Initech
(100,076 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)In this case, a law passed by Congress would supercede the older law passed by Congress- and there would be no "minimum wage" for Federal workers.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Women and minorities didn't have the right to vote either. So that would also fall in line.
How's this working for you Joe and Jane rust belt voter? Are you seeing the jobs pour in yet? Feel good about shaking up Washington? Feeling better about not voting for Hillary, the adult in the room?
Good grief!!!
ffr
(22,670 posts)Cha
(297,248 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,715 posts)They have so many already "trained" in local and state government.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Here we go.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)I bet they're very happy...
joshcryer
(62,271 posts)If you don't fall in line you're toast.
Wuddles440
(1,123 posts)for over 30 years and it always amazed me about the number of Federal workers who are staunch rebubliCONS. Routinely voting against their own economic interests like so many other groups in America. Must be some sort of self-loathing because the CONS have only utter contempt for civil servants and never miss an opportunity to demean them.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)make great again:
former9thward
(32,012 posts)In the Reconstruction era blacks were elected to the U.S. Senate and House all across the south. They were all Republicans. Then former slave owners who were the Democratic party at the time fought back with gangs such as the KKK.
After the disputed Presidential election of 1876 between Democrat Samuel J. Tilden and Republican Rutherford B. Hayes, a national agreement between Democratic and Republican factions was negotiated, resulting in the Compromise of 1877. Under the compromise, Democrats conceded the election to Hayes and promised to acknowledge the political rights of blacks; Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South and promised to appropriate a portion of federal monies toward Southern projects.
The withdrawal of federal troops allowed the KKK to terrorize unabated.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)the political gains of Reconstruction, before Reconstruction officially ended. The KKK did indeed revitalize and terrorize unabated again after the withdrawal of the federal troops.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)how they feel about this, nicely with sincere interest of course, and be prepared to explain what it is since they either won't have heard (probable) or will have been fed some very strange twist on it.
Maybe suggest anyone with business with the federal government, like renewing a passport, should do it NOW or plan for very long delays.
Btw, a MOOC on "Ignorance!" begins on January 10.
We will explore questions about ignorance such as the following: Where does ignorance come from? How do we impose it on each other, and even on ourselves? And why? We usually think about ignorance as a bad thing, but when can it be preferable not to know something? What uses do people have for ignorance? What roles does ignorance play in social interaction, group relations, institutions, and law? Can ignorance sometimes be a virtue? When can ignorance be good or bad for us? How can we harness the unknown for learning, discovery, and creativity? How can we make good decisions under ignorance?
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Seems timely. I'm thinking of signing up.
https://www.edx.org/course/ignorance-anux-igno101x-0
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm kind of taken with that idea.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)and displace the anger of some Americans towards gov't onto Federal CS workers, instead of the corrupt Congress.
They want 'Muricans thinking that the reason gov't is broken is Federal workers, rather than obstructionist, corrupt 'puke legislators.
Same thing that they did by displacing anger at the loss of jobs from the real culprits, capitalism itself and the CEOs who decided to send jobs overseas, to poor Hispanics coming to the U.S. for work.
Any Federal worker who was stupid enough to vote for these assholes is gonna really regret it.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I'm on board with it.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)the only way is to use this against any workers in their offices that are paid with federal money.
You aim that weapon at them and the varies Senators and Congressmen and women will be screaming suddenly.
JDC
(10,127 posts)inanna
(3,547 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Inspired by Russia's fabulous tyrant Joseph 'Massacre' Stalin, Comrade Trump & Republican Cronies, Inc. will now shitcan all who fail to ASSUME THE POSITION and OBEY.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Marshall and his successors saw the Bill of Attainder Clause as an element of the separation of powers. As the decisions of the Court in Marbury v. Madison (1803) and United States v. Klein (1871) made clear, only a court can hold a trial, evaluate the evidence, and determine the merits of the claim or accusation. The Constitution forbade the Congress from "exercis[ing] the power and office of judge." Cummings v. Missouri (1867). In United States v. Brown (1965), the Court specifically rejected a "narrow historical approach" to the clauses and characterized the Framers' purpose as to prohibit "legislative punishment, of any form or severity, of specifically designated persons or groups."
It would be interesting to see this litigated. In practice, I think the courts would rule against any Congressional action which did this to a certain person for a specific reason. However Congress is probably able to pass legislation mandating general compensation rules (power of the purse). But to single out a particular employee or a group of employees by name and drastically cut their compensation probably is not constitutional at all.
Because the Constitution prohibits Congress from cutting US judiciary compensation, the courts might be a little less alert to this issue than otherwise:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
Or the courts might look at this as a guideline, and argue that cutting salaries of those that the Executive has lawfully appointed is an impingement on the constitutional power of the Executive even if it is done in a way that does not amount to a Bill of Attainder.