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(46,345 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:54 PM Jul 2012

Huge Drug Tunnel Found Near Yuma, Arizona

Source: ABC News

Authorities in Arizona have discovered a lighted, ventilated cross-border drug smuggling tunnel more than two football fields long and possibly linked to the Sinaloa drug cartel just steps from an official border-crossing checkpoint between Mexico and the U.S.

Local and federal officials found the tunnel's entrance hidden under a water tank in a one-story building in San Luis, Arizona, near Yuma. The tunnel then plunged 55 feet down before turning south for Mexico. The 240-yard tunnel, which had six-foot ceilings, lighting and ventilation, surfaced across the border inside an ice factory in San Luis Rio Colorado, Mexico.

Drug Enforcement Administration agents had been monitoring the building on the U.S. side since January, after seeing what they considered suspicious activity "that indicated the site was being used as a potential stash location," said the DEA in a statement. On July 6, local law enforcement stopped a pick-up truck carrying 39 pounds of methamphetamine, and then traced the vehicle back to the San Luis building.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/huge-drug-tunnel-found-yuma-arizona/story?id=16762501

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Huge Drug Tunnel Found Near Yuma, Arizona (Original Post) Archae Jul 2012 OP
Again? This is at least the third found in the last 15 years. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #1
In the past seven years, 119 tunnels have been discovered on the southern U.S. border. grantcart Jul 2012 #6
Took six months to confirm suspicion !!!!!! nt julian09 Jul 2012 #2
You'd think they could have done that a littel faster... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #18
How do you cart away that much dirt without drawing attention? truthisfreedom Jul 2012 #3
If there is a big godown on either side they just pile it up. grantcart Jul 2012 #5
good point, I suspect corruption was involved - you, know, "look the other way" for $ wordpix Jul 2012 #17
While they are more conserned with the undocumented this shit goes on. L0oniX Jul 2012 #4
Blaming undocumented workers for taking American jobs is an excuse the border patrol uses siligut Jul 2012 #7
It really does appear to be that way doesn't it.... midnight Jul 2012 #19
Legalize it! Iggo Jul 2012 #8
Legalize Meth? FrodosPet Jul 2012 #14
Legalize it! Iggo Jul 2012 #20
No! FrodosPet Jul 2012 #21
Methamphetamine is actually currently still "legal" Occulus Jul 2012 #34
Have you ever seen a drug criminalization effort that actually worked? Major Nikon Jul 2012 #23
Sure: PCP, LSD sofa king Jul 2012 #25
I don't really see that as a success Major Nikon Jul 2012 #30
It's a minor difference of opinion between us. sofa king Jul 2012 #33
Meth is already a legal drug. It can be prescribed. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #27
Not too many doctors are going to prescribe it for recreational purposes Major Nikon Jul 2012 #28
So you want to see legal possession of meth for shits and giggles FrodosPet Jul 2012 #29
Okay, let them eat Aderrall. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #31
I'm all for allowing it with a prescription for shits and giggles Major Nikon Jul 2012 #32
They look so good, it reminded me of Hogan's Heroes. tclambert Jul 2012 #9
again? Kali Jul 2012 #10
These tunnels pretty much kill the whole fence bullshit. sarcasmo Jul 2012 #11
Here's a pretty good video which demonstrates why border fences don't work Major Nikon Jul 2012 #24
Wonder how they shut down the tunnels? Gin Jul 2012 #12
Just legalize everything already.... Taverner Jul 2012 #13
Not just drugs Jessy169 Jul 2012 #15
I love Weeds! greiner3 Jul 2012 #16
Too bad Celia left FrodosPet Jul 2012 #22
Imagine what could have been done with the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted here. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #26
Both countries ChazII Jul 2012 #35

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
6. In the past seven years, 119 tunnels have been discovered on the southern U.S. border.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:15 PM
Jul 2012

the find one tunnel a month somewhere along the border.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
18. You'd think they could have done that a littel faster...
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:04 PM
Jul 2012

Like going up to the building and saying something like, "Howdy, do you all have any tunnels to Mexico inside?"

Something like that.

truthisfreedom

(23,155 posts)
3. How do you cart away that much dirt without drawing attention?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jul 2012

6 feet tall, presumably 3' wide, and 240 yards long... that's 480 cubic yards of dirt for the horizontal portion alone. At 2500 lbs per cubic yard, that's 600 TONS of dirt. Not counting the vertical parts of the tunnel, which could easily bring it up to 800-900 tons. A standard dump truck can carry about 10 short tons. That's 90 truckloads.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
4. While they are more conserned with the undocumented this shit goes on.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

Gee maybe they need to pay more attention to drug and gun traffic. Ya think?

siligut

(12,272 posts)
7. Blaming undocumented workers for taking American jobs is an excuse the border patrol uses
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:23 PM
Jul 2012

Making money off of bribes from cartels is their real business. Either that or they are just really, really inept. Kind of like Dubya was inept all the way to the bank.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. Legalize Meth?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jul 2012

You ARE joking, I hope? Just hit the smilies button, then the ... button, and there is a "sarcasm" graphic you can use for suggestions like that.

MJ, yes, legalize it. The effects of prohibition are far worse than the effects of the MJ.

But meth is a killer.

https://www.google.com/search?q=meth+addicts+before+and+after+photos&num=100&hl=en

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
34. Methamphetamine is actually currently still "legal"
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

and sold under the trade name Desoxyn. It's prescribed- rarely, to both children and adults- as a treatment for obesity and narcolepsy, according to the Wiki page for methamphetamine. The Wiki even has photos of the pills in question.

Methamphetamine is also given to pilots in the air force when flying very long missions. Contrary to popular belief, meth actually does have legitimate uses.

This is one reason I hate the drug war with the white-hot fury of a thousand exploding stars... most of what everyone "knows" about even this "worst" of drugs is flat-out wrong.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. Have you ever seen a drug criminalization effort that actually worked?
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:33 AM
Jul 2012

I say legalize all drugs. That's not to say you should be able to buy meth at the convenience store. However, they most certainly could be available with a prescription, even to addicts. Not everyone who uses meth becomes an addict, and even if they are an addict, that shouldn't make them a criminal any more than someone who is an alcoholic. Legalizing it means you can regulate it, so that people who are using things like meth can at least be under a doctor's care. It also means you have some control over who can get it. It also means you remove the criminal element from the product. If you want to regulate things like pot, put a tax stamp on it. It's the only proven method of control for such things.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
25. Sure: PCP, LSD
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:06 AM
Jul 2012

Both of those drugs are nearly non-existent in the US. The precursor chemicals used to make them were systematically replaced within US industry and it is now impossible to synthesize those chemicals the "easy" way, whatever that was.

I'm told that "LSD" is still sold, but by the late 90s it was mostly amphetamines that caused hallucinations due to overtaxing the human heart. More recently I have read that now it often contains LSD's cousins in the "2C" family of phenethylamines, the properties and long-term effects of which are largely unknown.

It is an excellent example of how a non-toxic and fairly well studied drug was run out of the market--only to be replaced by an army of inferior and potentially more dangerous products because demand never diminished. But in the narrowest definition of the term, chasing LSD to extinction "worked," in the sense that one cannot easily acquire the real thing any longer.

In other words, I agree with you. Taxation and regulation is the key for most of the non-addictive recreational drugs, so that efforts can be concentrated against the truly socially damaging substances like cocaine, heroin and meth.

People are only going to want to get fucked up more as the standard of living of the vast majority of Americans declines to third-world levels.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
30. I don't really see that as a success
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jul 2012

The US doesn't have nearly as much control beyond its borders. If there were a demand for those drugs, and they couldn't be manufactured here, they would be manufactured elsewhere and imported. The US has mostly made meth ingredients inaccessible also, yet meth is still widely available.

Personally I'm more for attacking problems directly rather than attacking symptoms. The social problems associated with illicit drugs is largely because they are illegal. When you make the substances illegal, you turn users into criminals which are often compelled to engage in other types of crime to support their habit. When you legalize drugs, the price drops. Users can retain good paying jobs without the threat of going to jail and losing everything. Believe it or not, even heroin addicts can retain good jobs and be productive members of society once the criminal element is removed.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
33. It's a minor difference of opinion between us.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jul 2012

And I have to say your approach is more honest, too. You're saying just open the door. I'm saying we need to open the door... but still have a bouncer... which I will freely admit rarely works.

Just to clarify, I don't think stamping out LSD did any good at all, either. In fact, just like the story of the hydra, cutting off LSD spawned at least two dozen hallucinogens which are arguably worse than the original in every major way.

It occurs to me that the quest for gay rights may actually be the best example of your argument, particularly in the spy business. As long as being gay was socially unacceptable, gay people had to be dishonest about their sexuality, which made them a security risk because it gave interested parties a potential way to extort information from people who were concealing their sexual preferences. As soon as homosexuality became better accepted in the US, gay people became an asset, because they have nothing to hide but can exploit other gay people in places which still haven't come around.

Recreational drugs and the people who use them can be an asset as well, but only if a certain level of acceptance--and legality--is achieved.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
27. Meth is already a legal drug. It can be prescribed.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jul 2012

It's Schedule II in the Controlled Substances Act.

The brand name is Desoxyn, manufactured by Abbot.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
28. Not too many doctors are going to prescribe it for recreational purposes
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:17 PM
Jul 2012

I have no problem with it. If someone is under a doctor's care, they are less likely to suffer ill effects from abuse.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
29. So you want to see legal possession of meth for shits and giggles
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jul 2012

But not illegal manufacture or distribution? Should someone who cooks a crap batch that kills people go to jail?

What about people who want more than the doctor will give?

I'm sorry to piss on the "Legalize It!" parade, but legalizing meth is another form of social Darwinism.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
31. Okay, let them eat Aderrall.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:38 PM
Jul 2012

That's quite popular, too. And it isn't meth; it's dextroamphetamine.

We are a stimulant-craving society. Walk into any convenience store, past the coffee dispensers, past the piles of Rock Star and other "energy drinks" and have yourself a nice, sugary cola.

You don't want to stereotype meth users too much. Yeah, some are toothless speed freaks; others might be your employee of the month.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
32. I'm all for allowing it with a prescription for shits and giggles
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:40 PM
Jul 2012

The conservative solution is to just keep doing things the way you've always done them or even double down, even if the effort is a complete failure. The progressive solution is to analyze what the real problem is and develop realistic solutions for dealing with it, even if that means significant change.

Illegal manufacture and distribution should be just that. However, the attempt at making the use of illicit drugs (including meth) has failed miserably. Making the use of illicit drugs illegal is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like sticking your head in the sand and pretending the problem will go away, when in reality you've just exacerbated the problem by introducing criminal elements into the manufacture and distribution chain, and not to mention all the social and fiscal costs associated with trying to perpetuate a failed policy. People are going to get illicit drugs whether they are legal or illegal to use. You can't stop it at the border. You can't stop it at the point of manufacture, and you can't stop it at the point of sale. The very best you can do is interdict around 10% and that's after throwing billions of dollars at the effort. We already know this. That way has already been tried and it has failed and it didn't fail for lack of commitment. It failed because the policy itself was a failure.

People who want more than a doctor will give are just going to be shit out of luck which is part of the idea. A legal system of distribution removes the incentive for an illegal system of distribution. If 95% of the users are able to get doses that satisfy their desire, the 5% who want more are going to have a more difficult time finding an illicit market. There's still an illicit market for prescription drugs and always will be, but a good legalization strategy will mostly eradicate the criminal element from the manufacture of such drugs.

You can ask what-if questions all day. The point of legalization is not to eradicate all problems with illicit drug use. That is the goal of criminalizing illicit drugs which has failed miserably. The point of legalization is to mitigate the societal problems with drug use through regulation. Making non-addicting drugs legal and prescription free also will go a long way towards reducing the prevalence of addicting drugs. If someone can get all the pot and mushrooms they want for a low price with wide availability, it's going to reduce the demand for a higher priced product that requires regular visits to the doctor. Furthermore, once you take the billions of dollars we're spending in a failed enforcement effort and concentrate that on solutions that actually work, like treatment and education.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
9. They look so good, it reminded me of Hogan's Heroes.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jul 2012

Wiring. Ventilation. Smooth floors. Wooden bracing. Some have water pumps.

Gin

(7,212 posts)
12. Wonder how they shut down the tunnels?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jul 2012

Are they blasted or flooded or filled with dirt or debri? Or......are they just located and left alone to be used another day?

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
22. Too bad Celia left
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 01:33 AM
Jul 2012

Mary Louise Parker does not have the same chemistry with Jennifer Jason Leigh as she did with Elizabeth Perkins.

I really hope she will make a least one last appearance.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
26. Imagine what could have been done with the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted here.
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:22 AM
Jul 2012

For starters, the government could have hired dozens and dozens of biologists to study and protect the numerous species whose migration was fucked up by this fence boondoggle.

Several now-crumbling bridges throughout the country could have been repaired or placed.

Hundreds of miles of deteriorating sewer systems could have been fixed.

Thousands of miles of the electrical grid could have been updated.

Hundreds of laid-off inspectors could have been rehired to protect our food and medicine supply, infrastructure, waterways... Many new ones could have been hired on top of that.

Got to wonder how many more of these tunnels are out there, too.

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