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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:29 PM Dec 2016

Harry Reid blasts 'worthless' DNC in blistering critique of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz

Source: RawStory

TANA GANEVA
22 DEC 2016 AT 15:07 ET

In a sign that Democrats have begun to face party failures that may have helped Donald Trump win the Presidency, outgoing Senator Harry Reid let loose on the DNC and its former head, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

Speaking with Nevada Public Radio, Reid declared, “I believe one of the failures of Democratic Party has been the DNC, the Democratic National Committee has been worthless. They do nothing to help state parties, which should be the main goal they have.” He goes on to note their lack to involvement in helping prop up state Democrats in Nevada.

Reid also attacked “that congresswoman from Florida,” a reference to Schultz.

“So I would hope that they would choose a chair of the Democratic Party who is a full-time person. Not someone like we had with that congresswoman from Florida, who was a full-time congresswoman and a part time chair of the DNC,” Reid said. “We need a full time DNC chair.” He goes on go advise that the DNC prioritize building party infrastructure state by state. “That would change politics a lot in America,” Reid concludes.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/harry-reid-blasts-worthless-dnc-in-blistering-critique-of-debbie-wasserman-schultz/

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Harry Reid blasts 'worthless' DNC in blistering critique of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2016 OP
Well, maybe it's the beginning of a start. vlakitti Dec 2016 #1
Our state party is pretty non-functional. Our local parties are even worse. SharonAnn Dec 2016 #66
I'm in a blue state (CT) and didn't get HRC signs until very end- we were written off wordpix Dec 2016 #98
Reid is quite right. PatrickforO Dec 2016 #83
Rec! progressoid Dec 2016 #2
So who does he have in mind? potone Dec 2016 #3
Actually Reid is supporting Ellison: think Dec 2016 #7
I don't get it. potone Dec 2016 #42
Ellison said he would resign MsLeopard Dec 2016 #44
I concur warmonger456 Dec 2016 #45
Is Sanders a Democrat again? lapucelle Dec 2016 #54
He's not a Democrat now, Rincewind Dec 2016 #94
Other than registering as a D as Bernie did, how does one "officially join" the Democratic party? PotatoChip Dec 2016 #97
Yet not doing even that small a gesture says a lot La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #111
Sanders also wanted to exploit the organizational tools that the Democratic party lapucelle Dec 2016 #115
Who cares. He in my opinion is the Senator who best represents what i care about. CentralMass Dec 2016 #103
I agree. Sanders is a better Democrat than most of them mdbl Dec 2016 #113
Most popular with the people in his home state. lapucelle Dec 2016 #114
Rep. Keith Ellison: I will resign my seat if I win DNC chair IronLionZion Dec 2016 #117
Ellison said that himself about two weeks ago. Akamai Dec 2016 #56
Bad choice zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #74
which proves only that Ellison will do/say anything to get what he wants. Why didn't he offer that KittyWampus Dec 2016 #81
Obviously? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #26
boy is harry happy he doesnt have to face the voters again. mopinko Dec 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #5
Good for him. vi5 Dec 2016 #6
Ive heard Dean's name being floated for chair volstork Dec 2016 #11
I believe he withdrew his name PatSeg Dec 2016 #15
Never did, apparently. elleng Dec 2016 #20
And Rahm Emmanuel is such a huge success in Chicago........... guillaumeb Dec 2016 #27
Right. Seems to be a 'virus' elleng Dec 2016 #29
Agreed. volstork Dec 2016 #33
Probably notdeplorable Dec 2016 #37
One does not have to like co-workers. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #38
It really sucks PatSeg Dec 2016 #31
To hell with Rahm warmonger456 Dec 2016 #46
That is exactly so. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #48
Dean did a great job. fishwax Dec 2016 #73
yes he did, and Ellison should keep his congress'l seat wordpix Dec 2016 #99
Wasserman-Schultz was grossly incompetent and an unmitigated disaster for the party. LS_Editor Dec 2016 #8
Yup. Absolutely HORRID, and, with all respect, Obama put her in and kept her in. RBInMaine Dec 2016 #32
We have work to do within the Party Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #40
He kept her in MurrayDelph Dec 2016 #63
because of this DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #85
She failed to fund Democrats The Wizard Dec 2016 #95
he's right catsudon Dec 2016 #9
What about Barack Obama? LuvLoogie Dec 2016 #10
I know he was busy being president, but I wish he'd set the direction and the goal. SharonAnn Dec 2016 #67
DWS is going to die for all our sins... Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #12
That was pretty much exactly PatSeg Dec 2016 #13
And who was DNC chair for the 2010 wipeout? moondust Dec 2016 #14
Tim Kaine think Dec 2016 #16
Very interesting Ellen Forradalom Dec 2016 #18
It was 5 years ago. Not sure if anyone complained about Kaine or not. Not finding anything so far... think Dec 2016 #21
Obama's re-election in 2012 moondust Dec 2016 #24
Give 'em Hell, Harry! TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #17
Took a while. elleng Dec 2016 #19
Agree 100%. The DNC sacrificed 50 states in the name of trying to win one position. Shameful. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #22
Whoa! Maybe business as usual isn't the answer? jalan48 Dec 2016 #23
Should the chairs of the DCCC and DSCC also be full-time? (NT) Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #25
You know who else has been worthless, Harry? Take a look in the mirror. JudyM Dec 2016 #28
Agreed. MurrayDelph Dec 2016 #65
Pathetic lack of emotional intelligence and simple savvy. Then just stuck it out, same thing month JudyM Dec 2016 #69
He's a wimp zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author duffyduff Dec 2016 #89
THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2016 #70
He is big mouth, little action. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #75
Sure he is worthless. duffyduff Dec 2016 #88
Given 'em hell Harry! He is 100% correct. RBInMaine Dec 2016 #30
Have to say,thank you Harry. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #34
It's about time somebody besides we the people noticed Warpy Dec 2016 #35
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author MrPurple Dec 2016 #39
And thus the legacy of Payday Debbie Ruby the Liberal Dec 2016 #41
I think Obama owns this mess. lapucelle Dec 2016 #57
I think so too. As 'titular' head, he can set goals and even strategies. Doesn't have to do SharonAnn Dec 2016 #68
The name Payday Debbie awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #76
Since the DNC can't get their act together, we'll lose Democratic voters, and have 8 yrs of Trump. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #43
The one he should truly be bashing is BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #47
Rahm is a pig awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #78
Emanuel became President Obama's Chief of BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #118
Thanks for the link awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #119
Frankly, a LOT of Dems who are BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #120
Yes dbackjon Dec 2016 #49
BOUT TIME heaven05 Dec 2016 #50
I Blasted Ccarmona Dec 2016 #51
Don't hold your breath awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #79
Wish Harry has spoken up zentrum Dec 2016 #52
hey watch it read DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #53
Well, there is a lot of finger pointing around TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #55
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #93
Thanks Sammy TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #107
I don't even like Harry but he's right on this one! nt Raine Dec 2016 #58
Reid is correct about the full time chair Renew Deal Dec 2016 #59
Just ask Ed Rendell what to do bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #60
Exactly, his skivies have been showing their true colors, Historic NY Dec 2016 #62
As DNC Co-Chair, Rendell was the first Democrat bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #64
It should be a full time position, for someone not elected and serving in congress.... Historic NY Dec 2016 #61
That wat the first thing I thought of, MAKESURE the new one makes it FULL TIME! napi21 Dec 2016 #71
I would pick Michael Moore zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #77
Well, he did predict Trump's win... TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #109
Give 'Em Hell Harry! colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #80
To think I got alerted for criticizing her recently. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #82
you too? DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #84
Is she planning to run on the "alternative is much worse" platform? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #90
Much worse DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #116
I just posted he would be unwelcome here. Let's see if I get alerted! Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #87
He blasted a Democrat. Don't sign up for DU, Mr. Reid. Party over principle has become the norm Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #86
Yup n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #108
every single spot on every ballot everywhere pfitz59 Dec 2016 #91
What took him so long??? Duppers Dec 2016 #92
Ahh...just because she's a woman...sexist pigs. n/t Fix The Stupid Dec 2016 #96
Harry Reid, you're outgoing. Why don't YOU become a Mayor of some LOCAL town & show Ds how to Sunlei Dec 2016 #100
DWS was horrible and largely responsible for the mess the Dems are in now spiderpig Dec 2016 #101
I agree. (nt) PotatoChip Dec 2016 #105
and in many cases, favoring the business friendly candidate rather than the one Democrats want yurbud Dec 2016 #102
He is right on target. Snackshack Dec 2016 #104
Howard Dean did that with his 50-state strategy. After he helped us win, they dumped him and tblue37 Dec 2016 #106
Six Weeks is a long time........ HenryWallace Dec 2016 #110
They have ignored cannabis_flower Dec 2016 #112
K&R red dog 1 Dec 2016 #121
Harry Reid should have mentioned this long ago about the DNC. PufPuf23 Dec 2016 #122

vlakitti

(401 posts)
1. Well, maybe it's the beginning of a start.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:35 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe. But good for Harry Reid for trying to get a critique going.

SharonAnn

(13,779 posts)
66. Our state party is pretty non-functional. Our local parties are even worse.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:46 PM
Dec 2016

Our Dems (here in a Red state) get dreamy-eyed about the presidency, where our votes won't really make a difference, and completely fail to organize for local and state campaigns.

I can remember many fruitless discussions and attempts to develop awareness over the last 15 years. pretty much wasted.

It's hell being Cassandra. I can see what's coming, warn people about it, they ignore it, and it happens. in a couple of cases i did actually say "I told you so."

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
98. I'm in a blue state (CT) and didn't get HRC signs until very end- we were written off
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

as a sure thing. If we ordered signs a month ahead and paid $4.50/sign, we could get some. Meanwhile, the repugs are making inroads in our state legislative elections in a big way and the governor could easily be a repuke next time around. Ditto the state House. The state Senate is already split, 1/2 and 1/2.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
83. Reid is quite right.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:12 AM
Dec 2016

If the party takes the approach he recommends, we will be in a much better position in a decade. On other notes, we MUST have outlets to get OUR word out that are not corporate-owned and can genuinely challenge the right wing noise machine. We're also going to have to filibuster all Trump Supreme Court picks for the next four years. Otherwise we WILL be set back more than we already have been.

And, there's one other thing - a major, major thing. The party needs to get rid of the fear of corporate donors, and begin forwarding policies and legislation THAT ACTUALLY HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE instead of merely paying lip service to public goods like national health care, Medicare, Social Security and public (not private EVER) prisons. Bernie aside, if the Democratic members of Congress weren't so afraid of being defeated in the next election and began vocally and forcefully touting these policies, OUR PARTY WOULD BECOME A JUGGERNAUT AND WIN BY LANDSLIDES.

Hear that Dem party bigwigs (who might read this, hopefully!)? I"m so very sorry to say it, but in my 58 years, I have seen most rank and file (D) and (R) elected officials become altogether too beholden to corporate donors and this cannot continue in OUR party. We have a few statesmen and stateswomen, but just a few. We need more. We must get rid of the so-called hacks and empty suits and fill those seats with people who actually want to govern in the name, and in the interest, of the American people. New Deal Democrats, that's what I'm talking about.

So...that's my 2 cents. I've been a registered Democrat since I was about 25. I've read lots of things, and seen lots of things, and I know what I know. I'm not trying to cut down the party with these words, but to make it better, more representative of what it COULD BE rather than what it IS. Call me an idealist, if you will, but I would rather be known as a New Deal Democrat. Or perhaps a New Deal Social Democrat. Yes, that's it.

And, please don't tell me these things are 'pie in the sky.' As a well known newspaper columnist once said, "There are about 800 people in Washington, DC that actually call the shots. If they wanted social and economic justice, we would have it...NOW." (yes, that's a paraphrase - I don't remember the exact quotation). But the fellow was right. We could have a government that makes this country a much, much better place to live in - for EVERYONE, not just the rich. We could have a foreign policy that doesn't make horrible mistakes leading to tragedies like the current world refugee crisis. Yes, I'm speaking of the American overthrow of Qaddafi that released all controls on human trafficking up from Africa. Now, we have capitalist criminals making massive profits on the refugees, soaking them of all their wealth every step of the way.

You know, if we wanted to make this earth into a desert, we've been going in that direction for some time.

Not to mention global warming which is the elephant in the room because it affects all of us.

Social Security, Medicare.

We have 'boots on the ground' in 147 different countries right now, did you know?

We spend 52 cents out of every $1 collected in tax revenue for 'defense' and this takes away money for our children. God dammit, don't just pay lip service to that. Get it fixed.

Well, it has become a rant, but then I am every bit as frustrated with what has happened as you all are. Somehow, though, we are going to have to move the party to the so-called left (the direction that most benefits the average American) in order to start winning elections. Because why in the hell should people vote for the establishment candidates of either party? Tell me that. Because that hasn't done us much good for some time now.

I mean, I have less real purchasing power NOW than I did back in the 90s when I was MUCH younger. That's because 'our' government has allowed the military industrial complex and other corporate interests to rape our treasury.

Tell me...do you think we will be able to climb out of this hole into which we've dug ourselves? Or will we be buried?

potone

(1,701 posts)
42. I don't get it.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

Ellison is in Congress; he can't do the job full-time, as Reid says it should be done.

MsLeopard

(1,265 posts)
44. Ellison said he would resign
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:05 PM
Dec 2016

His congressional seat if elected DNC chair. That's the last I've heard.

warmonger456

(16 posts)
45. I concur
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:08 PM
Dec 2016

I've also read the same thing although I can't remember exactly where. But NOT fake news, I swear.

Also, Sen. Sanders also supports Ellison for DNC Chair. Just FYI.

Rincewind

(1,205 posts)
94. He's not a Democrat now,
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:31 AM
Dec 2016

or, ever. He ran as a Democrat, so he wouldn't be ignored as a third party candidate, but he never officially joined the Democratic party.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
97. Other than registering as a D as Bernie did, how does one "officially join" the Democratic party?
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:09 AM
Dec 2016

Is there some sort of ceremony that I missed when I registered 32 years ago?

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
115. Sanders also wanted to exploit the organizational tools that the Democratic party
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:24 PM
Dec 2016

already had in place. Sanders's vanity did untold damage to the country, and he will not be remembered kindly by history.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/sanders-yes-im-a-democrat-of-convenience

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
103. Who cares. He in my opinion is the Senator who best represents what i care about.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:51 AM
Dec 2016

On a side note, he is the most pouplar Senator in the country. iMO, because he resonates wirh many people.

Http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-most-popular-senator-453479

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
113. I agree. Sanders is a better Democrat than most of them
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:02 PM
Dec 2016

A lot of people bash him because he's not a party member. I hope, someday, the Democratic Party reflects enough of his values that he feels he can join us.

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
114. Most popular with the people in his home state.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:14 PM
Dec 2016

"Morning Consult surveyed 62,288 registered voters across the country to determine how they felt about their home-state senators"

Of course he is popular with the people of Vermont who are the beneficiaries of both a military pork bill and of a scheme that dumps Vermont's toxic waste in poor neighborhoods thousands of miles away in Texas. I wonder how the people of Texas would view him if the Sierra Blanca mess was more widely publicized.

While some might not care whether Sanders is a Democrat, I'm sure there are many Democrats who do, I among them. I have absolutely no respect for opportunists.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/why-bernie-sanders-is-backing-a-15-trillion-military-boondoggle.html

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-pushed-to-dump-nuclear-waste-on-low-income-community/

IronLionZion

(45,543 posts)
117. Rep. Keith Ellison: I will resign my seat if I win DNC chair
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:24 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.startribune.com/rep-keith-ellison-i-will-resign-my-seat-if-i-win-dnc-chair/405232966/

Ellison is the type of DNC chair we need. Unless Dean wants the job back. We need to rebuild at local levels to combat voter suppression and encourage turnout. Someone from the upper Midwest (MN and MI) would be a great choice.
 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
56. Ellison said that himself about two weeks ago.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:03 PM
Dec 2016

He looked square at the camera and said that if he were made head of the DNC, he would resign his congressional seat.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
81. which proves only that Ellison will do/say anything to get what he wants. Why didn't he offer that
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:50 PM
Dec 2016

to start with?

mopinko

(70,258 posts)
4. boy is harry happy he doesnt have to face the voters again.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

hope obama follows in his footsteps.

and yeah, the party just doesnt support any candidates that dont look like good little puppets.

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vi5

(13,305 posts)
6. Good for him.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:39 PM
Dec 2016

He's spot on. This was a profound failure that came following an amazing 2008 ground game under Dr. Dean.

The DNC went from being what Reid describes it as needing to be, to nothing more than a campaign office for a handful of loyalist politicians with their own agendas.

PatSeg

(47,624 posts)
15. I believe he withdrew his name
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

He was really good as DNC chair, but he evidently doesn't have a lot of friends at the DNC.

elleng

(131,163 posts)
20. Never did, apparently.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:06 PM
Dec 2016

Rahm, for one, can't stand him, and submarined the 50 state policy, from what I can tell.

I attended a book promotion in DC (Politics & Prose) years ago, re: Rahm+'s book, and asked whether the Party would include Dean's 50 state strategy. He refused to answer.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. And Rahm Emmanuel is such a huge success in Chicago...........
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:34 PM
Dec 2016

Emmanuel is the epitome of the machine politician who stands for nothing other than his own ambition.

volstork

(5,403 posts)
33. Agreed.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
Dec 2016

It has always surprised me that he and Obama were friends. Maybe they weren't, maybe it was just a politically expedient relationship...

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
38. One does not have to like co-workers.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:08 PM
Dec 2016

It helps, but competence is most important. But Emmanuel does not even demonstrate competence as Mayor.

PatSeg

(47,624 posts)
31. It really sucks
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:38 PM
Dec 2016

as Dean was really good at the job. Guess he wasn't one of the in-crowd. Really pisses me off. Hopefully we won't get someone equivalent to Wasserman Schultz again.

warmonger456

(16 posts)
46. To hell with Rahm
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:12 PM
Dec 2016

The 50 State strategy ought to be an obvious strategy and I could never understand why anyone who wants to grow the party and win elections nationwide would oppose it.

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
8. Wasserman-Schultz was grossly incompetent and an unmitigated disaster for the party.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:43 PM
Dec 2016

How many state legislative seats and governorships did she lose during her tenure? How many Congressional seats?

She can only claim to be a success if she was a Republican plant.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
32. Yup. Absolutely HORRID, and, with all respect, Obama put her in and kept her in.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:39 PM
Dec 2016

I like most of what he did as Prez, but he had some mistakes too, and that was a BIG one. Wasserman Schultz STUNK!!!

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
40. We have work to do within the Party
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:15 PM
Dec 2016

I remember seeing threads here on DU with steadfast support for DWS, even in the face of truth which was revealed in hacked emails. Duer's were cheering for her. I just did not understand that. We do have party views that need updating.

MurrayDelph

(5,301 posts)
63. He kept her in
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:40 PM
Dec 2016

to avoid the hassle.

Debbie threatened to scream he was anti-Semitic AND anti-woman if he got rid of her.

Personally, I think she helped the Democrats not only lose the Senate and House, but the White House as well. She was involved in a LOT of shenanigans to "help Hillary" that she didn't need to do. Hillary would have won the nomination fairly and without the "assist," but Debbie's tilting the playing field left a bad taste in lot of peoples' mouths.

SharonAnn

(13,779 posts)
67. I know he was busy being president, but I wish he'd set the direction and the goal.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:47 PM
Dec 2016

I love him, but the President is the "titular" head of his party. And it failed.

PatSeg

(47,624 posts)
13. That was pretty much exactly
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:51 PM
Dec 2016

what I was saying for months before Wasserman Schultz resigned from the DNC. Why on earth would anyone think such a position was a part time job?

moondust

(20,010 posts)
14. And who was DNC chair for the 2010 wipeout?
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

I don't remember anybody's hair on fire trying to GOTV--knowing the racists and Teabaggers would turn out in droves.

Maybe I missed it but I've never heard an explanation from the person who was in charge.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
21. It was 5 years ago. Not sure if anyone complained about Kaine or not. Not finding anything so far...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:09 PM
Dec 2016

JudyM

(29,290 posts)
28. You know who else has been worthless, Harry? Take a look in the mirror.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:34 PM
Dec 2016

You completely squandered our opportunity to make headway when we had both the WH and the Senate. You famously didn't believe McConnell when he said making Obama a 1-term president was job #1 for senate republicans. And then you sat on your butt when they obstructed everything he tried to do. Talk about worthless. It doesn't matter if you're a nice guy if it means you can't help Obama make progress and you had more of an opportunity than anyone to help with that.

MurrayDelph

(5,301 posts)
65. Agreed.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:43 PM
Dec 2016

He lit into my Senator Merkley when he tried to reform the filibuster, saying he would take Mitch at his word to use the filibuster sparingly.

Anyone else would have known right then that Mitch was lying.

JudyM

(29,290 posts)
69. Pathetic lack of emotional intelligence and simple savvy. Then just stuck it out, same thing month
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:51 PM
Dec 2016

after month.

So now that he's leaving he has something barely controversial to say.

Response to JudyM (Reply #69)

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
88. Sure he is worthless.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:07 AM
Dec 2016

Tell that to Senator-elect Catherine Cortez-Masto, who in January will be the first woman and Latina senator from Nevada.

You would be laughed at in your face.

Reid knows all about political machines having run one. Anybody who has ever gone against the mob is not a wimp.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
34. Have to say,thank you Harry.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:44 PM
Dec 2016

Know full well were he is coming from. Here in Nevada,if it was not for Harry bringing in Campaign funds for our Democratic Candidates,we would have lost big time. Forget about funding coming the DNC,nothing,we were very fortunate to have a few deep pocket anti Sheldon Adelson folks step up and fund our Candidates.


Harry was right to blast Wasserman-Schultz,she sure loved the photo Ops at the Casino's, but that seemed to be all it was.

And again,it was SEIU folks who really made it happen. We set the new Democratic Party template.

Warpy

(111,360 posts)
35. It's about time somebody besides we the people noticed
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:49 PM
Dec 2016

I've been disgusted with them since the Carter administration. Gee, it only took 40 years for somebody in the halls of power to speak up.

You'd think the party would have learned something from Dean's turnaround, taking the party from being a regional party back to being a national party but no-o-oo. Those conservatives are so damned sure they're right about everything that they went right back to their loser "strategy" as soon as he stepped down.

So give 'em hell, Harry. Just don't expect a conservative to listen to anything but the sound of his own voice.

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Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
41. And thus the legacy of Payday Debbie
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:15 PM
Dec 2016

Still dancing a jig that she is gone from leadership.

It will take decades to undo the damage at the state levels that could have been prevented.

(Under DWS) Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats and currently enjoy a membership rate of 30% and dropping.

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
57. I think Obama owns this mess.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:07 PM
Dec 2016

He was lobbied by many Democrats (including Clinton loyalists) to replace DWS well in advance of the primaries.

President Obama was an exceptional statesman and an inspirational leader, but he had little stomach for down and dirty political fighting. That's one of the reasons why, on January 21, 2017, President Trump will be naming his pick for Supreme Court seat that has been vacant for almost a year

SharonAnn

(13,779 posts)
68. I think so too. As 'titular' head, he can set goals and even strategies. Doesn't have to do
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:49 PM
Dec 2016

down and dirty fighting. Just be the general. or even "Commander in Chief' of the political war. And this has been a war and will continue to be.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
76. The name Payday Debbie
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:58 PM
Dec 2016

got me a hide in the general election. I can't stand anyone who fights for those vultures. The rates they charge would make a mafia loan shark blush.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
43. Since the DNC can't get their act together, we'll lose Democratic voters, and have 8 yrs of Trump.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
Dec 2016

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
47. The one he should truly be bashing is
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:19 PM
Dec 2016

Rahm Emanuel, who discontinued the 50-state policy right after Howard Dean left (or was forced out). It started with Tim Kaine in 2009. DWS just inherited it.

I am no fan of DWS, but I am sick and tired of people inordinately ragging on her. Why not on Tim Kaine and Donna Brazile as well? Kaine was Chair for the debacle in 2010. Brazile was interim until DWS was selected in 2011 and then interim after DWS was forced out this year. There is plenty of blame to go around.

A LOT of us complained about the fact that the 50-state strategy - that helped to elect Prez O in 2008 - was discontinued. No one took us seriously.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
78. Rahm is a pig
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:03 PM
Dec 2016

but how did he shit can the 50 state strategy? Shouldn't the responsibility fall on the DNC chair at the time? Kaine didn't take as much heat as Payday Loan Debbie, because at least the president got re-elected, and he didn't support republican friends like she did.

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
118. Emanuel became President Obama's Chief of
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:43 PM
Dec 2016

Staff in 2009 and "shit-canned" Dean for the HHS Cabinet Post that Dean wanted. Rahm also discouraged Kaine from continuing to follow Dean's strategy. Yes, Kaine should have stood up to him (and didn't) and yes, Prez O won again in 2012. But Dems lost the House in 2010 by almost as much as in 2016 and, as you know, have not regained it since. Donna Brazile & DWS apparently did not learn anything when they took over respectively in 2011 (and Donna again in 2015( as Dems lost the Senate majority in 2014 and should have won in 2016.

As DWS is among the most recent and a lot of people hate her for many reasons, the vitriol against her is particularly virulent. One might also venture to state that is also because she is a woman. There's plenty of blame to go around and I am particularly sick of the blatant misogyny shown through the 2016 campaign.

For one look at the "relationship" between Howard Dean and Rahm Emanuel, try this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/02/25/the-long-and-amazing-feud-between-rahm-emanuel-and-howard-dean/?utm_term=.27768936fa40

http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/66811:howard-deans-50state-strategy-pays-off

http://www.governing.com/blogs/politics/gov-democrat-howard-deans-fifty-state-strategy.html

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
119. Thanks for the link
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:00 PM
Dec 2016

I had forgotten about that. My problem with DWS isn't her gender- it is her ineffectivity. I couldn't stand McAulliffe (spelling?) either. Kaine somehow flew under my radar.

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
120. Frankly, a LOT of Dems who are
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:02 PM
Dec 2016

speaking out about this now - and I include Harry Reid, whom I adore - SHOULD have been making a fuss about it from 2010 on. The handwriting was on the wall then.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
49. Yes
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:25 PM
Dec 2016

One of Obama's biggest failures was to dismantle Howard Dean's 50-state strategy.



And NO SITTING CONGRESSPERSON to head the DNC.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
51. I Blasted
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:46 PM
Dec 2016

The DNC & DWS on this site during the primaries and was reprimanded by a jury of my peers.
I expect apologies to be forthcoming

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
52. Wish Harry has spoken up
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:49 PM
Dec 2016

…..sooner.

Many of us have been concerned and writing and calling about the DNC for years. They kept snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again and again.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
53. hey watch it read
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:52 PM
Dec 2016

Some will say thou shalt not criticize Debbie.

Remind me to quote this article next time I get hidden for saying the exact same thing Reid did.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,219 posts)
55. Well, there is a lot of finger pointing around
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:02 PM
Dec 2016

While I agree the DNC has plenty of soul searching to do, they had this to say post mortem:

"We are pissed at them and state parties are pissed at them because they lost due to arrogance," a top DNC staffer tells U.S. News, sharing the candid sentiment suffusing the high levels of the committee in exchange for anonymity.

It's no surprise that the hierarchy of the Clinton campaign leadership was insular and self-assured. But DNC staffers say the team's presumptuous, know-it-all attitude caused it to ignore early warning signs of electoral trouble inside the states, and demoralized DNC staff who felt largely marginalized or altogether neglected for most of the campaign."



http://www.usnews.com/news/the-run-2016/articles/2016-11-11/dnc-staff-arrogance-cost-hillary-clinton-the-election-vs-donald-trump

TexasBushwhacker

(20,219 posts)
107. Thanks Sammy
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:21 PM
Dec 2016

I've yet to read that she accepts even 1% responsibility.

That being said, we forgot it was ALWAYS going to be an uphill battle to get her elected. Our country tends to flip from one party to the other when it comes to the presidency. Other than GHWB's single term following Reagan, neither party has held the presidency for more than 8 years since Truman followed FDR. That was over 60 years ago. She had a chance because Trump was just so awful.

bucolic_frolic

(43,332 posts)
64. As DNC Co-Chair, Rendell was the first Democrat
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 08:43 PM
Dec 2016

to cave on the Florida 2000 recount

What kind of leadership is that? and with friends like him, who needs enemies?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
71. That wat the first thing I thought of, MAKESURE the new one makes it FULL TIME!
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:41 PM
Dec 2016

all the successful Chairmen have done it full time. I don't know what made BO think Debbie could do it part time! (I heard she was picked by our Prez.)

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
80. Give 'Em Hell Harry!
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:42 PM
Dec 2016

The democrats need a 50 state strategy, down to local school boards. We need to really pay more attention to Main Street than Wall Street.

The best outcome of this disaster would be the Orange Fraud not killing us all but doing poorly enough that it sets back the far right wing and leads to a new New Deal. A girl can dream, even if it isn't likely due to the Fox News led dumbing down of America.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
84. you too?
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:31 AM
Dec 2016

Sad thing is she will likely muscle herself into being my states candidate for governor, which means hello Florida governor Adam Putnam.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
116. Much worse
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:14 PM
Dec 2016

Namely one of the big damn gaping holes in the Democratic party are a bunch of Democrats who are very willing to mount weak resistance to their "friends" in both both Tallahassee and Washington. Schultz is responsible for the fiasco gubernatorial campaigns of both Alex Sink and Charlie Crist, which kept Rick Scott in the governor's mansion as he was busy gutting the Voting Rights act. If she runs as governor, not only will she be ditching popular Tampa mayor Bob Buckhorn, but play into Adam Putnam, who is actually the last of the GOP that actually believes in supporting Social Security, and who gets and takes hell for it.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
86. He blasted a Democrat. Don't sign up for DU, Mr. Reid. Party over principle has become the norm
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:56 AM
Dec 2016

Just ask any Sanders supporter.

pfitz59

(10,398 posts)
91. every single spot on every ballot everywhere
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:17 AM
Dec 2016

should have a Dem as a choice. Even the technically non-partisan positions. No Precinct Committee should lack an elected leader, even a committee of one. do not surrender. Never let a Repuke run unopposed. Demand accountability... make the Dem leadership actually lead..

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
100. Harry Reid, you're outgoing. Why don't YOU become a Mayor of some LOCAL town & show Ds how to
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:33 AM
Dec 2016

take back control of LOCAL communities.


"blasting headlines" and criticizing every D who works/works hard- does nothing good for Ds except divide. you aid Republicans and are part of the problem Ds have.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
101. DWS was horrible and largely responsible for the mess the Dems are in now
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:35 AM
Dec 2016

I'd add that Hillary's awful campaign sealed the deal for Trump, but I'd probably get tombstoned.

I don't care anymore. Somebody has to say it. The Dems couldn't have picked a worse candidate.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
104. He is right on target.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:24 PM
Dec 2016

The DNC absolutely needs a "full-time" person. Dems have lost over 900 legislature seats and a dozen governorship's during the last eight years. The focus needs to go back to the state level.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
106. Howard Dean did that with his 50-state strategy. After he helped us win, they dumped him and
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:10 PM
Dec 2016

gave Rahm Emanuel all the credit for Dean's successful strategy.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
110. Six Weeks is a long time........
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
Dec 2016

To be crying in your beer!!!

The fight for the party started within days of the election........

Ellison is squarely the choice of the progressive left.... As much symbolic as substantive: an early Sanders backer who Sanders eagerly endorsed.

To his credit Dean withdrew his name relatively quickly, not wanting to the DNC chair vote to become a plebiscite on core party beliefs and for the need for radical change.

Yet now enter one Thomas Perez, progressive champion of the Democratic establishment...... Most probably, the rational centrist choice. A good, solid, rational, practical, realist; in the Obama model.

Who will state DNC delegates pick?

cannabis_flower

(3,768 posts)
112. They have ignored
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:53 PM
Dec 2016

Texas for years except to swoop in for high ticket fundraising events in places like River Oaks.

PufPuf23

(8,840 posts)
122. Harry Reid should have mentioned this long ago about the DNC.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:19 PM
Dec 2016

its not like Reid wasn't a Democratic party leader or anything like that.

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