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Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:37 PM Dec 2016

Alabama to execute man condemned when judge overrode jury

Source: Associated Press

Kim Chandler, Associated Press
Updated 8:20 pm, Wednesday, December 7, 2016





MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) An Alabama man convicted of killing a store clerk is scheduled to be executed Thursday, but lawyers for the former Eagle Scout are urging it be blocked because a judge overrode a jury recommendation in imposing the death sentence.

Forty-five-year-old Ronald Bert Smith, Jr., is set to receive a lethal injection at 6 p.m. CST Thursday for the Nov. 8, 1994, shooting death of Huntsville store clerk Casey Wilson. It would be Alabama's second execution this year if carried out.

Lawyers for Smith and the state submitted a flurry of last court filings to the state over whether a judge should have sentenced Smith to death when a jury recommended life imprisonment. Smith's attorneys have urged the U.S. Supreme Court to block the planned execution to review the judge's override.

A jury convicted Smith of capital murder in 1995 and recommended life imprisonment by a 7-5 vote, but the judge sentenced Smith to death.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Alabama-prepares-to-carry-out-second-execution-of-10780961.php

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Alabama to execute man condemned when judge overrode jury (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2016 OP
"Recommended" Indydem Dec 2016 #1
The judge overrode the jury's "recommendation". Call it what you want... George II Dec 2016 #4
And the jury doesnt get the final say. The judge does. Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #7
No they didn't but unless the judge is required under law to follow cstanleytech Dec 2016 #8
Unbelievable. Being Alabama, I'm sure it's being done in the name of "Jesus"* George II Dec 2016 #2
I'm a practicing Catholic. lapucelle Dec 2016 #5
Actually it is up in the northeast, but not so much in Alabama. I don't know if there are many.... George II Dec 2016 #6
I remember when one of the popes came to the US the week lapucelle Dec 2016 #9
Wow. That was underhanded, for sure. Right-wing death worshippers won again. Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #10
The Klan chased a lot of Catholics out--- lastlib Dec 2016 #12
Reading the crime, the sentence is correct. Just about 20 years late. 7962 Dec 2016 #3
Not surprised about your post. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #14
If the victims family supported a stay, I may change my mind. 7962 Dec 2016 #17
Certainly an exercise in self-esteem... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #18
No, merely stating the opinion of most. As well as the facts of the case. 7962 Dec 2016 #19
killing is wrong, and we will prove it by....killing Skittles Dec 2016 #20
At least the law is still on my side. 7962 Dec 2016 #21
ugh Skittles Dec 2016 #22
State-sponsored murder BuddhaGirl Dec 2016 #24
I can't support the death penalty. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #11
Who should have that power? Certainly not the State. lastlib Dec 2016 #13
Agree! mountain grammy Dec 2016 #16
Like Judge Smails--this judge thought he owed it to Smith. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #15
U.S. Supreme Court issues 11th-hour stay in Alabama execution Eugene Dec 2016 #23
 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
1. "Recommended"
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

That means he didn't override anything. He passed a sentence against their recommendation.

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. The judge overrode the jury's "recommendation". Call it what you want...
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:45 PM
Dec 2016

...but the jury did not vote for DEATH. The judge did.

cstanleytech

(26,317 posts)
8. No they didn't but unless the judge is required under law to follow
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:05 AM
Dec 2016

there recommendation I honestly don't see how that can be grounds for appeal

George II

(67,782 posts)
2. Unbelievable. Being Alabama, I'm sure it's being done in the name of "Jesus"*
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:43 PM
Dec 2016

*I'm a very spiritual man, and believe in God and Jesus' teachings. This is NOT what either wants.

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
5. I'm a practicing Catholic.
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:54 PM
Dec 2016

The Church needs to be as active and outspoken about the death penalty as it is about that other "pro life" issue.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Actually it is up in the northeast, but not so much in Alabama. I don't know if there are many....
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:56 PM
Dec 2016

....Catholics in the righteous bible belt.

lapucelle

(18,305 posts)
9. I remember when one of the popes came to the US the week
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:10 AM
Dec 2016

there was a scheduled execution. He asked that the state have mercy and not administer the death penalty. They respected his request and the man's life was spared...

for that week only. As soon as the pope left the US, the execution was carried out.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
10. Wow. That was underhanded, for sure. Right-wing death worshippers won again.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:14 AM
Dec 2016

They become ill if they aren't able to kill people legally often enough.

Thanks for your comment. It will definitely stick in my mind, and I do need to be reminded about the underside of the human race.
We definitely can't imagine they are just like humans at this point. That would be an enormous error.

lastlib

(23,271 posts)
12. The Klan chased a lot of Catholics out---
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:30 AM
Dec 2016

Or lynched them....

The blood-lust of these pro-death people sickens me.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. If the victims family supported a stay, I may change my mind.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:59 AM
Dec 2016

Otherwise, people like this deserve to be removed from this earth. But ONLY in cases where there is ZERO DOUBT as to guilt. Plenty of those out there. And in THOSE cases, there is no justification for paying the bills for 20+ yrs to keep the murderer alive.
Again, ZERO DOUBT. Leaving NO chance for wrongful execution.
And most Democrats support the DP, as well as the rest of the population

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. Certainly an exercise in self-esteem...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:07 AM
Dec 2016

Certainly an exercise in self-esteem to pretend we know deserves to be removed. The post-justifications rationalizing that pretense are even more creative in both form and function.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
19. No, merely stating the opinion of most. As well as the facts of the case.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:07 PM
Dec 2016

You'll find very few marching to stop the removal of a John wayne gacy type.
However, I'm all in favor of blocking an attempt at a death sentence for anyone who is not 100% positively the murderer.
And as I've said before, there are plenty of those cases out there. Before you ask "but how do we KNOW they're 100% guilty?"
My best example is the Atlanta Courthouse killer. On camera, in a courtroom, etc etc. ZERO doubt. Stop wasting our money feeding him.
On the other hand, OJ Simpson. I sure he did it, but not enough to give him the needle. he wasnt caught redhanded. And he may have had an accomplice.
But to each his own opinion.

Skittles

(153,182 posts)
20. killing is wrong, and we will prove it by....killing
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:07 PM
Dec 2016

alrighty then

seems like much of the progressive world has advanced beyond that reasoning

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. At least the law is still on my side.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:43 PM
Dec 2016

And likely will continue to be.
Things keep going the way they are in Europe, and you may see a change there as well.

BuddhaGirl

(3,609 posts)
24. State-sponsored murder
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:39 PM
Dec 2016

is all about revenge, not justice.

The US is one of the few industrialized nations that still has the death penalty. How special to be in the same company as Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and the entire middle east except for Israel. Not to mention a bunch of third-world countries.

We need to evolve, NOW.

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
11. I can't support the death penalty.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:00 AM
Dec 2016

I believe it's about as "cruel and unusual" punishment as you can get.

I don't know. It's hard. some people seem to deserve killing, but who should decide and who should have that kind of power?

Eugene

(61,938 posts)
23. U.S. Supreme Court issues 11th-hour stay in Alabama execution
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:31 PM
Dec 2016

Source: Reuters

U.S. | Thu Dec 8, 2016 | 6:48pm EST

U.S. Supreme Court issues 11th-hour stay in Alabama execution

By David Beasley

The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ordered a stay in the execution of a former Eagle Scout condemned to die for a 1994 convenience store killing as his lawyers raised constitutional questions about the state's death sentencing process.

Ronald Smith, 45, had been set to die by lethal injection at 6 p.m. CST (0000 GMT) at the Holman Correctional Facility in Atmore, Alabama. He would be the 20th person executed this year in the United States and the second in Alabama, according to the nonprofit Death Penalty Information Center.

The Supreme Court did not give a reason for putting his execution on hold in the order, which was signed by Justice Clarence Thomas.

The decision came a month after the Supreme Court granted a last-minute hold to stop Alabama from carrying out another man's death sentence. Justices also did not give a reason for the stay of execution in that case.

The state's death penalty process is under scrutiny after the high court ruled in January that a similar death penalty law in Florida gave too much discretion to judges.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-alabama-execution-idUSKBN13X1OC
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