Florida voters sue for recount

[RKP5637]

Source: USA Today

TALLAHASSEE Three central Florida voters are mounting an unlikely bid to overturn the presidential election result in the Sunshine State.

In a lawsuit filed Monday in Leon Circuit Court, they assert that Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, actually won Florida. The plaintiffs, who live in Osceola and Volusia counties, say the states official election results were off because of hacking, malfunctioning voting machines and other problems.

They're asking for a hand recount of every paper ballot in Florida, at the expense of defendants including Trump, Gov. Rick Scott and the 29 Republican presidential electors from Florida.

But even lawyers for the plaintiffs acknowledge time isn’t on their side. Clint Curtis, an Orlando attorney representing the plaintiffs, said the defendants may not respond by the time the Electoral College meets on Dec. 19.

"They can ignore it entirely,” he said.

He said he has received a “deluge” of reports from voters across the state of problems on election day, including people being turned away at the polls and told they’d already voted. Florida Division of Elections officials reported only a few "minor issues" on election day.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/12/05/florida-voters-sue-recount/95021946/?csp=breakingnews

[Hugin]

1. Godspeed to them.

[putitinD]

2. I know, lets just take ALL these GWB era "help America Vote (republican)" voting machines and

put them on the curb for garbage day. Then the ENTIRE Country uses paper ballots that are hand counted TWICE.

[lagomorph777]

11. That would be great in a democracy.

We should get one of those.

[True_Blue]

12. I agree

There needs to be a nationwide standard for voting and paper ballots are the only way to go.

[Equinox Moon]

3. Good news!

Plus, while all this recounting is going on in the country, President Obama can stay on until he passes the leadership to Clinton. And his administration could stay until she transitions to hers.

[Abouttime]

5. You're right

if ALL the votes were counted Hillary would be the next President.
Hopefully these recounts will continue until after the electors vote denying trump the 270 necessary for him to win.

[yeoman6987]

28. We have 12 days to get this horror story changed

[Equinox Moon]

31. Miracles do happen. Rare, but they happen.

[texasmomof3]

29. Not according to the constitution. nt

[ProudProgressiveNow]

4. K&R nt

[lonestarnot]

6. Hound and sue hound and sue hound and sue.

[lagomorph777]

13. Clint Curtis is not new to investigating electile dysfunction.

"Clinton Eugene "Clint" Curtis (born 1958) is an American attorney, computer programmer and ex-employee of NASA and ExxonMobil. He worked for Yang Enterprises (YEI) until February 2001. He is notable chiefly for making a series of whistleblower allegations about his former employer and about Republican Congressman Tom Feeney, including an allegation that in 2000, Feeney and Yang Enterprises requested Curtis's assistance in a scheme to steal votes by inserting fraudulent code into touch screen voting systems."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Curtis

[lonestarnot]

21. A wikipedia link? Where's link for this, "Feeney and Yang Ent. requested Curtis's assistance in a

scheme to steal votes by inserting fraudulent code into touch screen voting systems."? You have one?

[lagomorph777]

22. Yes here you go

[lonestarnot]

23. So is source code being examined on any of the machines from the recounting if you know?

And thanks for the link!

[lagomorph777]

24. Hah! Examine the "proprietary" source code?

No, the machine vendors claim nobody has the right to inspect their proprietary code, and our government seems to be perfectly OK with that. We need to ban all electronic voting machines, pronto.

[lonestarnot]

25. Yeah. Seems it could be done. Don't give one fuck about their "proprietary" property, it's our

election! Either open up or ban! I'm with you on banning. All paper all the time!

[kebob]

7. Why Not?

Can't hurt!

[secondwind]

8. why did they wait so long...

[bdamomma]

9. maybe they wanted so long

because they know the election was stolen. That is why tRump is going to be madman to push his agenda on us. Time is ticking away, we need to find a way to overturn the decision very quickly. Hopefully there is a God up there.

[DK504]

10. They waited

because they really didn't realize how truly frighting this guy is and will be. The rubes finally got it. This guy wants to be king, not a president.

[yuiyoshida]

14. and that's King for Life...

not a full term, but Leader for life, so he can pass this country down to his sons...

[RKP5637]

20. He wants to be president of the US, then earth, and then the universe! His

mental state will not allow him to back off and say enough is enough.

[Indydem]

15. Completely delusional.

It is terribly sad to see people thrashing about and carrying on about this loss.

In the meantime all of this money and effort could have been spent to make sure minority voters get the necessary documents to vote in voter ID states.

The money and energy could have been spent finding and preparing candidates for the 2018 election. The campaign started almost a month ago and people haven't started staking their ground.

The money and energy could have been used to reinforce LGBT organizations and get their message out so that people who see hate speech will stand against it.

It could have been spent on anything other than crying over spilt milk. We lost. Time to put on our work boots (as I heard one Transgender woman say yeasterday on Fresh Air) and get to work.

[RussBLib]

16. turning your back on all the problems will solve nothing

next election, same result? Then just move on and prepare for the next election, when people get screwed again.

[Indydem]

17. What problems?

There is not one documented case of vote tampering, hacking, or fraud. Not one. Just the delusions of a few who cannot bear to accept that their fellow countrymen elected dipshit mcorange.

On the other hand, there were likely people disenfranchised by voter suppression and voter ID laws. We know that to almost certainly be true.

Let's address real problems instead of fantasies, and get these people WHATEVER they need to get their voter ID.

SCOTUS upheld them once, and with his nominee sure to be seated, we need to get these people their ID cards so they can vote!!! Why isn't the Democratic Party putting resources into a nationwide campaign to get every American the records or help they need to get a voter ID????!??

[Botany]

30. Cross Check was used in 30 states .... millions of Americans had their votes not counted

"What problems?"

BTW cross check and voter ID were put inti place in order to stop blacks, hispanics, and democrats from
voting because the cover story about stopping people from voting twice is pure bull shit. Especially
"cross check" because the idea that somebody votes in OH and then goes to Missouri and votes again
is laughable.


Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.

[Indydem]

32. This isn't a "problem."

This is an orchestrated effort to deny people their right to vote.

I'm talking about the allegations of fraud at the polls (hacking, tampering, etc.)

Crosscheck and voter ID fall into the same category: efforts which must be opposed at every turn, but spending millions of dollars on a recount will have absolutely no effect on.

I thought I made that abundantly clear.

[flamingdem]

40. Why can't legal action be brought to bear on this?

Good lawyers needed

[Botany]

33. 'Let's address real problems .... "

If stopping millions of people from having their voters counted in targeted states
which in turn changed a Presidential election isn't a problem then I don't know
what one is.

[Indydem]

34. There is a difference.

They weren't allowed to cast a vote. That is not an issue with "counting" votes.

I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to put words in my mouth. Crosscheck and voter ID laws need to be addressed. I am NOT talking about those issues.

I am talking about this made up, bogus "issue" of tampering with ballots or vote counts.

[Botany]

35. If stopping people from voting or not having their vote count isn't tampering w/the vote .....

.... then I don't what tampering w/the vote is.

In Michigan 88,000 people voted but they skipped voting for POTUS ansd >70% of that
# came from Detroit, Flint and Lansing

[LanternWaste]

19. Almost as delusional as dismissing a thing we do not have full and relevant knowledge of.

Almost as delusional as dismissing a thing we do not have full and relevant knowledge of. Magic thinking, indeed. Though no doubt, that too will be creatively rationalized as something both righteous and valid.

[wordpix]

18. "deluge" of reports about probs w/ voting so why not postpone the electors' vote

to Jan, then? Are we going to expire if the electors vote later? NO. It's more important to have VOTE INTEGRITY.

[nycbos]

26. From my limited understanding...

... they probably don't have standing to sue. Since they aren't one of the candidates.

[RKP5637]

27. It won't go anyplace. The republican PTB will ignore them. Unless you have tons of money to buy

influence, none listen.

[yurbud]

36. The Democrats should have been on this on day one after the election--why do they leave it to

the Greens and even individual voters?

[RKP5637]

37. No idea. The D party seems to be very weak to me in the face of Trump. n/t

[yurbud]

38. they've talked a better game than in Bush years, but he aint inaugurated yet

I always suspect it's because they don't want to offend GOP donors who also give to them, or might give to them, or give them jobs as lobbyists when they leave office.

[RKP5637]

39. Yep, when it comes to what you've said they're both pretty much the same when it comes to dollars

in USA, Inc.