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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:15 PM Jul 2012

Scranton ignores judge's ruling, cuts worker pay to minimum wage

Source: Los Angeles Times

Scranton ignores judge's ruling, cuts worker pay to minimum wage
By Michael Muskal
July 10, 2012, 10:46 a.m.

“You get what you pay for,” goes the proverb, and that might worry residents of Scranton, Pa. The city government has unilaterally slashed the pay of firefighters, police and public works employees to the minimum.

Lawyers for the unionized workers, whose pay was sharply cut -- by around two-thirds in some cases -- to the minimum of $7.25 an hour, filed Tuesday for a contempt hearing against Mayor Chris Doherty. A judge last week had ruled that the mayor could not cut the pay for almost 400 workers. The mayor did so anyway, arguing that there wasn't enough money in the city coffers to pay the owed payroll on time.

Judges do not indulge defendants who violate their rulings, said lawyer Thomas W. Jennings, who represents the unions fighting the mayor and the city -- the International Assn. of Firefighters Local 60, the Fraternal Order of Police E.B. Jermyn Lodge 2 and the International Assn. of Machinists and Aerospace Workers Local Lodge 2305.

Nor was Jennings impressed by the officials’ tough talk. “I’ve been doing this for 40 years and I have never seen a defendant tougher than a judge,” Jennings said in a telephone interview with the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday.



Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-scranton-employees-minimum-wage-20120710,0,6536097.story

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Scranton ignores judge's ruling, cuts worker pay to minimum wage (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2012 OP
To Hell with collective agreements Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #1
In another cities news; "Judge: Detroit does not have to bargain with union" may3rd Jul 2012 #14
Lead story on CBS News tonight. Faygo Kid Jul 2012 #2
That's about it - and it will not stop with Detroit and Scranton. nt TBF Jul 2012 #5
it will sweep across the country Skittles Jul 2012 #16
Where will the money come from? They may not have the money in the bank to pay. From the link: kelly1mm Jul 2012 #3
We've been discussing this - and we are way beyond that. TBF Jul 2012 #4
Furlough based on seniority CreekDog Jul 2012 #13
I heard the city had $5,000 in the bank accounts after next payroll is cut may3rd Jul 2012 #15
"Where will the money come from?" DBoon Jul 2012 #18
Yes you get what you pay for bluestateguy Jul 2012 #6
no, they should withhold their labor altogether... mike_c Jul 2012 #7
they will flobee1 Jul 2012 #26
You want them to work harder? sofa king Jul 2012 #27
One thing they can do is raise the taxes Iliyah Jul 2012 #8
I remember that story Confusious Jul 2012 #9
Judge tells you not to do something. You do it. Isn't that called a crime? n/t Akoto Jul 2012 #10
I'm not sure it's a crime, but certainly "contempt of court". n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #23
Can't help but wonder what the mayor's paycheck was? Minimum? nt magical thyme Jul 2012 #11
Yes it was. former9thward Jul 2012 #12
Y'all are jumping to conclusions. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #17
Blame the voters for not raising taxes, not the city government. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #19
I hear that Scranton is about half the size it should be. Sanddancer Jul 2012 #20
A tea bagger and gop wet dream come true. kemah Jul 2012 #21
Federal Workers Take Note! This is what will happen with Romney as President eringer Jul 2012 #22
What's the mayor's salary? Did he cut his own pay? wordpix Jul 2012 #24
Sounds like a Mayor vs Council fight. happyslug Jul 2012 #25

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
1. To Hell with collective agreements
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jul 2012

They're just going to pay all their first responders the same wage that a 7-11 employee gets.

This is a nightmare for Scranton - firefighters and police WILL leave and recruitment will stop dead.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
14. In another cities news; "Judge: Detroit does not have to bargain with union"
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jul 2012
....The ruling by Ingham County Circuit Judge Paula Manderfield means the union's 2,130 members have no idea how much they are being paid.
.....

"The city has not revealed their terms of employment," association President Joe Duncan said

....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014162325#post10

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
2. Lead story on CBS News tonight.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jul 2012

GOP's solution: More tax cuts for the rich! Who needs basic services! Why should these workers make a livable wage, they work for the GOVERNMENT! Lay off more government employees and keep unemployment high to beat Obummer! Hoorah for offshore bank accounts!

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
16. it will sweep across the country
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jul 2012

then when public employee wages are thoroughly trashed, the private sector wages will go down, down, down

kelly1mm

(4,733 posts)
3. Where will the money come from? They may not have the money in the bank to pay. From the link:
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:46 PM
Jul 2012

"The next payroll of about $1 million is scheduled for July 20, and it was unclear if the city had enough money to write the checks. If the city again goes the minimum wage route, the payroll cost drops to about $300,000, but city officials have said they will pay the owed wages when – and if – the current problems are resolved.

As of Monday, the city had $133,000 in cash, but owed $3.4 million in various bills including health insurance, city Business Administrator Ryan McGowan told the Times-Tribune. Last week, the city treasury shrank to $5,000 on Thursday and $83,000 on Friday."

If they write the checks and they bounce how are the workers better off?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
13. Furlough based on seniority
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

They likely have a contract with the workers and one way would be in compliance with that -unilateral pay cuts would not. Negotiated concessions would probably be accepted at some level.

But this? Nope.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
15. I heard the city had $5,000 in the bank accounts after next payroll is cut
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:18 PM
Jul 2012

corrupt politicians anyone ????


Maybe when the city hits up the voters for a new levy or hold a bake sale,
the voters will say "They gave at the office"



DBoon

(22,366 posts)
18. "Where will the money come from?"
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:46 AM
Jul 2012

I'm sure the round-off error from various offshore accounts would be more than enough to pay for this protection.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
6. Yes you get what you pay for
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:22 PM
Jul 2012

They want to pay minimum wage, then the employees should reciprocate with that same level of effort and work.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
7. no, they should withhold their labor altogether...
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:46 PM
Jul 2012

...and hopefully the striking fire fighters get the opportunity to jeer from across the street while the mayor's house burns. But seriously, this is unilateral imposition of terms and conditions of work. If those workers have a collective bargaining agreement, AKA a contract, it undoubtedly contains a concerted action clause saying something along the lines of "we will not strike as long as this contract remains in effect between the parties." The city has violated the contract, releasing city workers from the no-strike clause. I hope the workers are organizing their strike at this very moment.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
27. You want them to work harder?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:47 PM
Jul 2012

The people who make the least work the hardest, every time. You're lucky not to have experienced that yet.

But there's a pretty good chance a lot of you will if Jeb comes around.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. One thing they can do is raise the taxes
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:49 PM
Jul 2012

especially on the ones that DO NOT PAY THEIR FAIR - SHARED TAXES and they refuse to do so. I guess the wealthy can afford their private police and private firefighters and fuck the rest of us and if you afford the basic public services screw you....and screw the public workers as well. Destroy the Unions cause they fight for the workers and the corporations can't have that.

Corporation only want to pay everyone minimum wage with health care vouchers AND each person or family have to pay their own protection costs, i.e. police, firefighters, teachers, overall public services.

I remember a story I think last year where in a particular town residence had to pay for their own protection such as fire protection. One family did not and when their home caught fire, the private fire department refused to save the home. I think their neighbors ignored them as well. How "Christian" of them.

The GOP want YOU to believe that they are the model Christians. GOP are always spouting how Christian they are and this country was founded on Christianity. I'm I missing something?

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
9. I remember that story
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:30 PM
Jul 2012

The thing was, the county the guy lived in voted not to have fire protection, so they had to pay the city for it.

The thing was, the county was rich and the city poor, and the city had no way to enforce payment, so some of the rich in the county decided they could make the poor pay for their fire protection.

The city finally got tired of it and wouldn't put out the fire.

Sad for the guy, but someone finally got tired of paying for the rich, and I think it's a good thing. Finally get to see what happens when you vote for those republican policies.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Y'all are jumping to conclusions.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:45 AM
Jul 2012

Industry and jobs gone. Half the population gone (probably those who had money to leave). Dem Mayor tried to raise taxes, Dem city council refused to raise taxes. State wont permit city to file for bankruptcy. Laying off FD and PD costs city money for unemployment and overtime for remaimder. They are literally between a rock and a hard place. Welcome to austerity.

 

Sanddancer

(52 posts)
20. I hear that Scranton is about half the size it should be.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:15 AM
Jul 2012

.....based on the number of public workers employed there. It used to be a city of 150,000 but is now half that size.

kemah

(276 posts)
21. A tea bagger and gop wet dream come true.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:37 AM
Jul 2012

This is exactly what the tea baggers and the gop want to do to all public employees. Part time minimum wage.

eringer

(460 posts)
22. Federal Workers Take Note! This is what will happen with Romney as President
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:08 AM
Jul 2012

The GOP has put a target on the back of every local, state and federal employee as a means of getting votes. Romney will continue the war on the federal employee that George W. Bush started when he came into office (and was interrupted briefly by 911) -- I know as I saw it happening first-hand. He will exempt his Scedule C (presidential appointee folks) and launch an attack on federal employees (both active and retirees) not seen before in this country. The more he bashes the more the tea party will rejoice. Once he begins his attack on the federal workforce, the military will be next. He will not cease until he destroys both.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
25. Sounds like a Mayor vs Council fight.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.scrantonpa.gov/

The Scranton Newspaper:
http://thetimes-tribune.com/

Scranton police, fire and DPW unions file motion for contempt against mayor who slashed salaries:
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/scranton-police-fire-and-dpw-unions-file-motion-for-contempt-against-mayor-who-slashed-salaries-1.1341634

On Tuesday, he also again repeated his assertions that the crisis has stemmed from city council reducing his proposed tax hikes and instead relying on borrowing and refinancing to balance the budget, neither of which the city can obtain without a realistic recovery plan.

Wary banks want a new recovery plan before they again would consider providing loans or financing that the city needs to fill a $16.8 million budget gap this year, the mayor has said. He has proposed a 78 percent tax hike over three years and garbage fee hikes.

But council has refused to go along with any tax hikes over 10 percent each year and instead wants to fill the gaps with alternative revenue sources, such as increased contributions from nonprofits and commuter, sales and payroll taxes. The mayor has said council ideas won't occur quickly and won't produce enough revenue.


City leaders hit the national news shows circuit
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/city-leaders-hit-the-national-news-shows-circuit-1.1341938

Scranton mayor to amend revised recovery plan
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/scranton-mayor-to-amend-revised-recovery-plan-1.1341937

That's because a key plank of that plan, a $5.4 million sale of the city's stormwater conveyance system to the Scranton Sewer Authority, cannot be done. The authority already owns the city's stormwater lines, and has since the SSA inception in the late 1960s, officials have said.

i.e. the recovery plan has to be "adjusted" for it was based on selling the storm water lines to the Sewer Authority, but the Sewer Authority had owned them since the 1960s i.e. Selling something Scranton has not OWNED since the 1960s.

The real problem is the Mayor wants to raise taxes, but the Council does NOT want to. Something has to give and its looks like the Mayor is trying to force the City Council to raise taxes.
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