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Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:26 PM Oct 2016

Teacher removed from classroom after video in Trump costume

Source: Associated Press

Oct 31, 7:09 PM EDT

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. (AP) -- A New Hampshire high school teacher is in hot water after a video surfaced showing her in a classroom dressed as Donald Trump and dancing to a song that included an expletive.

Superintendent Stephen Zadravec tells the Portsmouth Herald (http://bit.ly/2f6sSV2 ) that he can't comment about specifics because it's a personnel matter, but Portsmouth High School teacher Kara Kelley "is not presently in the classroom."

Zadravec says there's no place for offensive language in the school "nor is it our practice in school to support or discredit political candidates."

The video was posted on some parents' Facebook pages on Monday. Some commented that the teacher's actions were "out of bounds" and "inappropriate."






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Teacher removed from classroom after video in Trump costume (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2016 OP
what an idiot... chillfactor Oct 2016 #1
What first amendment? HassleCat Oct 2016 #2
It depends on whether she did it in front of kids adigal Oct 2016 #3
I had more academic freedom to give my opinions in Communist China teaching humanities than in Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #5
If you cannot see how unprofessional her behavior was, pennylane100 Oct 2016 #11
My impression was it was outside school HassleCat Oct 2016 #16
Well, that maybe. pennylane100 Oct 2016 #27
Ok I see it was in the classroom. Not good. HassleCat Oct 2016 #19
I was a teacher for 15 years. I have butthurt? As long as my kid isn't being targeted for Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #23
How long you been on DU? Its rampant right here nt 7962 Oct 2016 #21
I believe the teacher's job is to educate rather than advertise a political endorsement. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #31
Put your money where your mouth is and get your certification Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #32
It reads as if she dressed like this and danced titaniumsalute Oct 2016 #7
showing her in a classroom dressed as Donald Trump and dancing to a song that included an expletive dixiegrrrrl Oct 2016 #17
Well, that's just stupid. Mt adigal Oct 2016 #20
She is, but... WillParkinson Oct 2016 #6
They are expected to live up to the standards outlined in their contracts. pennylane100 Oct 2016 #8
Not partisan political ones rpannier Oct 2016 #15
Not when they are a government actor Sgent Oct 2016 #24
Not on the job, no MosheFeingold Nov 2016 #30
You do not have freedom of speech when you're on the clock. ronnie624 Nov 2016 #33
"Students and teachers do not leave their first amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate" Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #9
She played to an inappropriate audience. bluedigger Oct 2016 #10
Well from the local paper Egnever Oct 2016 #13
Likely no rpannier Oct 2016 #18
Again. . .I guarantee the parents are Trump supporting Deplorables who are just as sociopathic Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #22
And if she had dressed up as Clinton? Indydem Oct 2016 #26
Why not? Our elected officials do. Our parents do. Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #28
Captive audience... Upin Nov 2016 #29
There are various approaches to our beliefs bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #14
I am a substitute teacher and kids want to talk about cheeto kimbutgar Oct 2016 #25
Dec 1969 #
 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
3. It depends on whether she did it in front of kids
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:36 PM
Oct 2016

I'm a teacher and I have very strong opinions outside of class. Try and throw me out of the classroom for them!

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
5. I had more academic freedom to give my opinions in Communist China teaching humanities than in
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:39 PM
Oct 2016

"Waaa. . .I have butthurt because I am offended" land of the free.

Too many people want to silence too many people on both sides of the spectrum. I guarantee the butthurt parents were Deplorables.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
11. If you cannot see how unprofessional her behavior was,
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:53 PM
Oct 2016

I can see why you have butthurt. You do not seem to understand how importance it is for teachers to behave in a responsible manner when in the classroom. Apart from the free speech issue, which is inconsequential, do you really want the young minds of our future generation exposed to a degenerate, child abusing, misogynistic, psychopath as a significant figure in their lives.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
16. My impression was it was outside school
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:32 PM
Oct 2016

And it showed up on social media. The story does not make it very clear.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
23. I was a teacher for 15 years. I have butthurt? As long as my kid isn't being targeted for
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 09:23 PM
Oct 2016

Educational bullies by the teachers, administrators, system and district like I was as a kid, I don't really care. My kid and I will discuss it and I have always taught my children to consider the source, not the comment. If they didn't like it, be an adult and go directly to the teacher to complain respectfully. . .don't go behind the teacher's back.

Do I want young minds. . .yadda yadda yadda? Okay, Helen Lovejoy.




do you really want the young minds of our future generation exposed to a degenerate, child abusing, misogynistic, psychopath as a significant figure in their lives.

I gave up that fight as a teacher a long time ago when I was a teacher. Their parents, family, role models, etc. are all this way. This is the American way. I just taught my material, divorced myself emotionally from my students completely and went home. Some students I had in either the US, Korea, China or Malaysia attached themselves to me like clinging vines, but I always kept that emotional wall up.

If you think you can do a better job, get your certification and put your money where your mouth is.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. I believe the teacher's job is to educate rather than advertise a political endorsement.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:44 AM
Nov 2016

I believe the teacher's job is to educate rather than advertise a political endorsement. Though tough for many minds to conceive, one may do the former while avoiding the latter, regardless of these mythical tender loins you reference.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
7. It reads as if she dressed like this and danced
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:40 PM
Oct 2016

O a song with expletives in the classroom. And who knows what kind of dancing she might have been doing. My wife is also a teacher very strong opinions but she doesn't take them into the classroom.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. showing her in a classroom dressed as Donald Trump and dancing to a song that included an expletive
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:32 PM
Oct 2016

says the news story

which also explains how she got caught on video.

WillParkinson

(16,862 posts)
6. She is, but...
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:40 PM
Oct 2016

What about the kids in the class? She has them as a captive audience.

Freedom of speech means the government can't punish you for it. Says nothing about your job.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
8. They are expected to live up to the standards outlined in their contracts.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:43 PM
Oct 2016

If they cannot do that, they should not expect to remain employed. Free speech might be an issue if she went to a private party, OFF SCHOOL GROUNDS, dressed however she wanted and spouting any garbage she cared to repeat.

rpannier

(24,338 posts)
15. Not partisan political ones
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:31 PM
Oct 2016

Can't wear political buttons, can't advocate for or against a candidate, they are expected to remain neutral in the classroom and on school grounds
The story also says the song had expletives in it
That's also likely a no-no

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
24. Not when they are a government actor
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 09:29 PM
Oct 2016

when attendance is mandated by the state -- ie K-12 teacher in the classroom.

If she goes to a Halloween party tonight dressed like trump, no problem.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
30. Not on the job, no
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:26 AM
Nov 2016

Stick to teaching the subject at hand.

Not that I don't have some sympathy here, but I always think of "what if the other side did it?"

Would you be OK with a teacher dressed in an orange jumpsuit, handcuffs, and a Hillary mask? No, of course not. Neither would I.

I'm a political addict, but certain areas need to be as free of politics as possible.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
9. "Students and teachers do not leave their first amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate"
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:48 PM
Oct 2016

Tinker V. Des Moines (1968)

However, Bethel V. Fraser (1986) gives school district the right to curb what it considers obscenity in students. This is just an extension for teachers in this case.

Poor taste in front of idiot students and their idiot parents. . .but no worse than cops beating up students in school for not listening to them (and the cops get passes for that).

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
13. Well from the local paper
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:54 PM
Oct 2016
Someone who identified himself as a PHS student emailed the Portsmouth Herald to describe Kelley as "one of the most incredible, kind hearted, funniest people in our school."

"She's dressed up every year that I can remember, and this year she dressed up as Trump," according to the self-identified student. "Another student played the song, not her. Yes, she danced to it, but she did in no way intentionally play the song."



http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20161031/portsmouth-teacher-dances-to-f----donald-trump

If that is true I think this becomes a tough call. If she chose the song then it is a no brainer but if she just started dancing to a song a student played I think it is a much tougher call. Did she know there would be swearing in the song? If it was a song with no swearing would it have been ok?

rpannier

(24,338 posts)
18. Likely no
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:33 PM
Oct 2016

Since in most states teachers are prevented from expressing partisan political positions in the classroom and on school grounds while school is in session
Which they should be prevented from doing

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
22. Again. . .I guarantee the parents are Trump supporting Deplorables who are just as sociopathic
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 09:22 PM
Oct 2016

as the orange haired, cheeto faced, small handed shitgibbon they worship as a God.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
26. And if she had dressed up as Clinton?
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 10:28 PM
Oct 2016

What is the song was "Fuck Hillary"?

Is it ok because it's the "other guy"?

Is that how we went teachers to act in front of students?

You hate Trump, great. Get on the train. But that is not how a teacher should act in front of students about any political figure. Their job is NOT to be partisan, even if it is the cheeto-faced asshole running for president.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
28. Why not? Our elected officials do. Our parents do.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 11:27 PM
Oct 2016

I hate this self-righteous indignation. I am so glad I retired from teaching and, even if I didn't retire, I would never teach in the States EVER again.

Upin

(115 posts)
29. Captive audience...
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:04 AM
Nov 2016

They have to be there by law...

Politicians are partisan by definition...

Parents are free citizens on their own time...

bucolic_frolic

(43,295 posts)
14. There are various approaches to our beliefs
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

subconscious and unintentional
conscious and subtle, hoping to shape minds and the future
deliberate and explicit, light indoctrination
authoritarian, deliberately controlling and indoctrinaire
coercive, with punishments for non-compliance

Then there is just plain stupid
This sounds like #3, and she should have known better
Not the brightest bulb to not realize this wouldn't fly well

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
25. I am a substitute teacher and kids want to talk about cheeto
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 09:53 PM
Oct 2016

I make the effort to stay neutral and say "it is up to the American people what direction they want this country to go" That said, my Asian and Hispanic students are filled with anxiety over the election of Cheeto.

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