Donald Trump Allies Focus Anger on Another Target: G.O.P. Leaders

[brooklynite]

Source: The New York Times

Faced with the demoralizing prospect of a third consecutive loss in a presidential race, conservative Republicans are girding for an extended clash on two fronts in the months ahead: one with a Hillary Clinton administration that could look like a reprise of the partisan battles of the 1990s, and another with Republican leaders on Capitol Hill who rejected Donald J. Trump.

Though a victory by Mrs. Clinton is far from a foregone conclusion, what does seem clear is that the frustrations and anxieties that fueled Mr. Trump’s rise will not be fleeting. And a defeat of Mr. Trump — which he has already darkly alluded to as part of a plot to disenfranchise his supporters — could further inflame those on the right whose goal all along has been to disrupt the country’s political system.

Some of the loudest voices on the right seem poised to channel that anger into one of their favorite and most frequent pursuits: eating their own.

Some in the deeply factionalized Republican Party, including Mr. Trump and some of his senior aides, are already fanning the flames for a revolt against the House speaker, Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, once Congress reconvenes after the election. Mr. Trump, who has lashed out at the speaker for being critical of him, has privately said that Mr. Ryan should pay a price for his disloyalty, according to two people close to Mr. Trump who insisted on anonymity to describe internal campaign discussions.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/us/politics/paul-ryan-gop-donald-trump.html?_r=0

[saltpoint]

1. There's as much pettiness and vengefulness to

the Trump campaign as their is ignorance and bigotry, and there's all kinds of ignorance and bigotry.

It's an ugly mess from the word go and it's getting worse here in the last couple weeks with no end in sight.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. A Dictatorship of Noise

grab your earplugs

[Hugin]

3. Still campaigning against anyone, but, HRC.

Please proceed, boys.

[dalton99]

4. Eating their own? Good. Bon appetit.

[TomCADem]

6. Except That If Hillary Only Has A Narrow Win...

...and the white nationalists consolidate their hold on the Republican party, the 2020 midterm elections could mark the ascendance of the GOP as an overtly racist party similar to the rise of the Tea Party in 2010, which at least attempted to be based on big government.

[IronLionZion]

7. Let them do it

It's been documented that white nationalist groups joined together in an organized campaign to hijack the republican party after Obama's election. They are often the driving force behind much of the obstruction and conspiracy theories and complete BS over the last 8 years. They work together with right wing radio programs to spew misinformation.

While they tear their party apart, Dems need to win congressional elections on a campaign of getting stuff done.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Democrats also need to take back control of our states

and do it by the 2020 census so that we are not shut out of Congress disproportionately... versus our actual number of registered voters. We have to make sure we encourage the habit of voting at EVERY election and not wait to go through all this craziness every 4 years trying to get the turnout up during a Presidential election.

[IronLionZion]

9. One of the best things about our demographic changes

over recent years is that the type of people who vote for Democrats have shifted out of urban areas and are harder to pinpoint and contain. There are liberal Dems in suburbs and exurbs and in many rural areas. Gerrymandering can't keep up with this level of rapid change. Urban gentrification has also priced out many Dems who had to move further away from cities to find affordable housing. Many red states have become purple and blue very quickly. Obama won many states that used to be red.

If repubs gerrymandered districts in a way to reduce Dem districts and redistribute Dem voters, the red districts will be more competitive during a big blue wave election where our people are energized and theirs are not. We saw some of this play out during our Democratic revolution in 2006.

Yes, we need to make a big play for state legislatures. It's good for us that 2020 is a presidential year and the census year. Turnout will be high for our people. Census also boosts the economy so Hillary's second term will be off to a strong start.

[moonscape]

10. There's an opposite take on this

and it's dismaying. The piece makes a polar argument/point, and is worth a full read.

The Republican Party may seem in historic disarray, but it will most likely be able to continue to stymie the Democrats’ legislative agenda, perpetuating Washington’s gridlock for years to come.

Liberals have a simple explanation for this state of affairs: Republican-led gerrymandering, which has put Democrats at a disadvantage in the House and in many state legislatures. But this overlooks an even bigger problem for their party. More than ever, Democrats are sorting themselves into geographic clusters where many of their votes have been rendered all but superfluous, especially in elections for the Senate, House and state government.

This has long been a problem for the party, but it has grown worse in recent years. The clustering has economic and demographic roots, but also a basic cultural element: Democrats just don’t want to live where they’d need to live to turn more of the map blue.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/the-democrats-bad-map-its-not-just-gerrymandering/

[BumRushDaShow]

12. I had read that article I think yesterday

and it was interesting in its analysis. However I think part of what might be missing that causes "surprises" in outcomes, is that I believe (and have seen it first hand in several of the previously red, then purple Philly suburbs) is that a number of people, having chosen (or perhaps were required based on commute or economics) to live in certain communities, were expected to follow the "red herd" and either register GOP or unaffiliated/independent. They might not have actually agreed with anything that party stood for but for fear of either harassment or subtle cuts to service to them if not registered the way that the power structure in the community deemed, they went along with it... But once the fear factor/threat is removed, suddenly they appear to "wake up" and vote blue (which is what they may have been all along).

So I think there are many more blues living in red areas than is being captured, but they just don't want the hassle...

[IronLionZion]

13. Are liberals clustering or spreading out?

Maybe it depends on where. Suburban liberalization is a big reason why Virginia went from red to blue. And lots of people moved west to Colorado, Nevada, Arizona etc.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. The one issue to be aware of is that a number of gubernatorial races

are not during Presidential election years (like here in PA). Normally, based on precedent, Corbett (R) would have been re-elected to a 2nd term in 2014, however all the pieces were in place to break that precedent and elect Tom Wolf (D) instead - this during an off-year election. Fortunately we were able to get enough of a higher turnout of Democrats to propel Wolf into office and if we keep that type of thing up up, Wolf will be re-elected in 2018 and will still be in office in 2020 during the census and redistricting.

And I remember that amazing 2006 wave that began the break of the 12 year GOP hold on Congress and it was something that I believe gave Democrats a big enough ego boost to be able to take the WH and Senate in 2008. Hopefully we can recapture that spirit again (or at least get close) this year, but without the reversal that a 2010 brought!

[Mc Mike]

5. When Hillary gets in, hopefully she can sign an executive order

compelling dRumpf and his senior aides to meet with Ryan and his congressional supporters, to settle their differences in a locked room in the Capitol Building basement.

One nail filled 2x4 or barb wired bat per participant, policy to be strictly enforced.

Then the nation can move on and be healed.