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Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:35 PM Jul 2012

Chris Collins: 'People Now Don't Die From Prostate Cancer, Breast Cancer'

Source: Huffington Post

GOP congressional candidate Chris Collins knows health care is expensive these days, but he argues it's for good reason: People are no longer dying from deadly forms of cancer.

"People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," he told The Batavian in an interview that was flagged Tuesday by City & State NY. Collins was discussing his desire to repeal Obamacare.

"The fact of the matter is, our healthcare today is so much better, we're living so much longer, because of innovations in drug development, surgical procedures, stents, implantable cardiac defibrillators, neural stimulators -- they didn't exist 10 years ago," he continued. "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."

In fact, a lot of people do die from breast cancer and prostate cancer, despite advances in treatment. An estimated 577,190 people in the United States will die from cancer this year, including about 39,920 deaths from breast cancer and 28,170 from prostate cancer, according to the American Cancer Society.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/chris-collins-cancer_n_1647196.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Chris Collins: 'People Now Don't Die From Prostate Cancer, Breast Cancer' (Original Post) Galraedia Jul 2012 OP
Chris Collins stonecutter357 Jul 2012 #1
But they do Mr. Collins SoutherDem Jul 2012 #2
Maybe he meant "those who are white-christian-republican-and earn more in one day cstanleytech Jul 2012 #5
Exactly Third Doctor Jul 2012 #45
Not true. I know a welathy, white man who died of prostate cancer in January. SharonAnn Jul 2012 #47
You are so right. I've Stage IV breast cancer. dmr Jul 2012 #53
Republicans never let facts get in the way ... nt TBF Jul 2012 #3
Mr. Collins is a lying sack of shit. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #4
he means RICH people Skittles Jul 2012 #6
I wonder atreides1 Jul 2012 #7
Erie County Health Commissioner Dr. Gale Burstein today issued Historic NY Jul 2012 #8
Another uneducated congressman. This is a bad trend. kwassa Jul 2012 #9
What's worse Third Doctor Jul 2012 #46
I think the article misinterprets his meaning. Geoff R. Casavant Jul 2012 #10
Stop, you're making sense. nt Flatulo Jul 2012 #15
"What he obviously means"? Where are you pulling that from? GodlessBiker Jul 2012 #18
Misinterprets? I thought it was a quote. marybourg Jul 2012 #26
They do quote him, but they interpret him incorrectly in my opinion. Geoff R. Casavant Jul 2012 #29
I agree with Geoff. He clearly means that people are living longer due Flatulo Jul 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #31
Well. Then. Obviously. GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #33
Except he uses that to justify why healthcare is so expensive and that tanyev Jul 2012 #37
Oh, no doubt about that. Geoff R. Casavant Jul 2012 #42
This idiot often "mispeaks" jumptheshadow Jul 2012 #43
If the repubs get their way Turbineguy Jul 2012 #11
My father died from it a little over 2 years ago. GaYellowDawg Jul 2012 #12
Republicans consider facts to be "inconvenient truths" Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #13
Cancer can be cured? longship Jul 2012 #14
hope for those that recently died! Demonaut Jul 2012 #16
Oh, you mean my mom who died from breast cancer two years ago is actually still alive? Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #17
are republicans this f*cking stupid????? bowens43 Jul 2012 #19
Most of them are. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #35
I'm glad to hear that, I'll tell my daughter. She just had a double mastectomy. Downwinder Jul 2012 #20
Who's mentoring this dumb ass? bluedigger Jul 2012 #21
Tell that to my dear friend Megan, dead at 30 from breast cancer. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #22
Yeah, Golly, They just go bankrupt and couldn't get any more insurance til the ACA passed. Overseas Jul 2012 #23
Translation: "Healthcare would be ever so much cheaper if we would just let kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #24
Tell that to my father-in-law McCamy Taylor Jul 2012 #25
And Elisabeth Edwards. marybourg Jul 2012 #27
Good Lord where do they get these chuckleheads from. Mayberry Machiavelli Jul 2012 #28
And the internet is a series of tubes unless it is a series of trucks. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #32
CHRIS COLLINS = LIE drynberg Jul 2012 #34
He can be both. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #36
In the broad sense he's right 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #38
You can get sick and better without requiring long term care. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #39
Teh stupid....it burnssssssssssss Marrah_G Jul 2012 #40
After Rmoney Rain Mcloud Jul 2012 #41
Time to donate to Hochul, methinks. CBHagman Jul 2012 #44
They don't die from the pox or apoplexy, either Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #48
Yes, but no. Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #49
nothing worse than a deliberate moron. nt Javaman Jul 2012 #50
Speaking as a cancer survivor indypaul Jul 2012 #51
My cousin would like to talk to him. Beacool Jul 2012 #52
Rest in peace my dear friend Annie. . . Paula Sims Jul 2012 #54
Dear Mr. Collins you are very inaccurate! Kteachums Jul 2012 #55

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
5. Maybe he meant "those who are white-christian-republican-and earn more in one day
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:51 PM
Jul 2012

than most people will earn within their lifetime."

SharonAnn

(13,778 posts)
47. Not true. I know a welathy, white man who died of prostate cancer in January.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jul 2012

He had great health care.

It's not as common, perhaps, as it used to be, but it still can kill (and does) whether or not you have health care. Some cancers have various levels of agressiveness and fatality.

And, I know several women (white and wealthy) who died of breast cancer. I think the death rates for that are higher than for prostate cancer.

There are several types of breast cancer and prostate cancer. Some are detected and treated early and some are not. Some kill even with treatment and some don't.

There's not just ONE kind of cancer of ONE kind of cancer situation.

dmr

(28,349 posts)
53. You are so right. I've Stage IV breast cancer.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jul 2012

It's incurable, & I'm alive by the grace of a cancer drug. So, as long as I keep responding to therapy, I'll be walking the halls of DU & out irritating Republicans.

But, as you say, some cancers aren't caught in time; and some cancers, as mine, grow very quickly & have a party metastasizing in all nooks, crannies & bone joints.

The horrible pain & side affects from the combination of the cancer & it's therapy have made me less inclined to keep my mouth shut when I meet up with teabagger idiots or sell outs like this guy.

I don't know what the future holds for me (well, I guess in a way, I do! ), but I hate, hate, hate when these asshats say stupid things like this with the air of authority, because it makes gullible teabaggers believe him.

These predators talk about how wonderful our healthcare is - ok, yea, we do have good care - IF you can get it. And, that's the problem, too many Americans are not receiving this wonderful care of which he speaks. And, he knows it, too. He doesn't care because his integrity is probably being bought & sold right this very moment.

Oh, yea, last week, I "picked" on an old lady for complaining about the Roberts' decision. I was at the doctors. My son was with me. This woman pitched a fit. I asked her if she was paying cash or if Medicare was footing the doc's bill. Long story short, Uncle Sam was paying, & damn it she was entitled to it. Damn it, if you pay into a system, you've earned the right to use it. It's not a free ride. I told her I was relieved not having to worry about the donut hole either. I am fairly quiet, & have never been one to speak up like I have been lately. My son said I was polite, but on fire.




Didn't mean to ramble on here. Sorry about that.

atreides1

(16,091 posts)
7. I wonder
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:54 PM
Jul 2012

Do the Republicans have access to a private shopping mall, called Dumb Fucks R Us? Because these clowns running for office are so stupid it hurts...

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
8. Erie County Health Commissioner Dr. Gale Burstein today issued
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

a statement regarding the incidence and mortality rates of prostate and breast cancer in Erie County, underlining their serious nature and the fact that people still suffer from these diseases. Former-Erie County Executive Chris Collins recently stated in an interview, “People now don’t die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things.”[1]

“All types of cancer, including prostate and breast cancer, have significant mortality rates associated with them. During 2005-2009, Erie County saw an annual average of 826 cases of female breast cancer, with an average of 176 deaths per year. For prostate cancer in the same period, the annual average was 930 cases, with an average of 103 deaths per year.”

“These numbers represent the sad reality that, despite advances in cancer treatments, people still die from these types of cancers. It is imperative that people not only be aware of the potential risks from all types of cancers but get appropriately screened and checked as recommended by your doctor for breast and prostate cancer.”


http://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/cancer/registry/vol1/v1cerie.htm

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
9. Another uneducated congressman. This is a bad trend.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

This is similar to Bachman's fantasies about US history.

Geoff R. Casavant

(2,381 posts)
10. I think the article misinterprets his meaning.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:58 PM
Jul 2012

The article interprets him to mean, "no one ever dies from breast or prostate cancer," when what he obviously means is, more people are surviving these cancers than used to survive decades ago. In that respect, he is correct.

Geoff R. Casavant

(2,381 posts)
29. They do quote him, but they interpret him incorrectly in my opinion.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:38 PM
Jul 2012

The words he uses are subject to two interpretations. To me, it's clear he meant to say one thing, but the rest of the article tries to debunk what says assuming he meant something else entirely.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
30. I agree with Geoff. He clearly means that people are living longer due
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jul 2012

to advanced, albeit more expensive, treatments. He just didn't articulate it very well.

Just my opinion, of course. You're free to believe that the man believes that absolutely no one ever dies of cancer. But I think that's very unlikely.

I suppose someone could just ask him to clarify.

Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)

tanyev

(42,601 posts)
37. Except he uses that to justify why healthcare is so expensive and that
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jul 2012

Obamacare should be repealed, thereby earning all the ridicule he's received, even if partially misinterpreted.

jumptheshadow

(3,269 posts)
43. This idiot often "mispeaks"
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jul 2012

He can't seem to put two sentences together without stepping in a knee-deep pile of feces.

>>Still, the focus once again returns to Collins and his penchant for remarks that attract widespread attention. When he was hinting about running for governor in 2009, he compared Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver to Hitler and the anti-Christ - later acknowledging it was a poor attempt at humor.

He again gained attention in 2010 when it was reported that he suggested a woman acquaintance could find a seat during the State of the State address in exchange for a “lap dance.”<<

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/politics/article933937.ece

Nice guy! Or maybe he just vocalizes what he's really thinking, and what he's thinking is nasty and dumb as a box of bricks.

GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
12. My father died from it a little over 2 years ago.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jul 2012

God damn you, Collins, you sorry son of a bitch. Republicans will say anything. I wish there was some way to make blood vessels in their heads pop when they said things like this. That sorry piece of shit doesn't deserve to live another second.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
13. Republicans consider facts to be "inconvenient truths"
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:07 PM
Jul 2012

They, like Hitler, repeat lie after lie after lie. They know that if the uneducated, non-critical thinking public hear the lie over and over again they will start to believe it. And, unfortunately, the vulnerable, often highly-religious do. After all they are conditioned to believe anything, no matter how illogical or immoral it may be, that emanates from a preacher's mouth. So insert Republican politician into the role of the preacher and, voila, you have immediate belief in total bullshit.

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. Cancer can be cured?
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:11 PM
Jul 2012

E.G., HuldaClark N.D. (Not a Doctor), is a cancer quack who claimed that all cancer could be cured by treating for a liver fluke. (If her treatments work, it's a fluke.)

She died in 2009, of... wait for it... Of cancer. Those who still support her apparently claim that her death was a fluke. And, of course, her fans are still selling her quack cures, which is what all these cancer quacks are about.

I don't believe in Hell, but I think that if Hell exists there will be a central extraordinarily horrible place for people like Hulda Clark.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
20. I'm glad to hear that, I'll tell my daughter. She just had a double mastectomy.
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jul 2012

I guess we can all start smoking as there is no risk.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
24. Translation: "Healthcare would be ever so much cheaper if we would just let
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jul 2012

cancer patients die. Why are we bothering to treat them when they are such a drag on my wallet?"

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
32. And the internet is a series of tubes unless it is a series of trucks.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:13 AM
Jul 2012

Some days, it just doesn't seem worth it, does it.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
34. CHRIS COLLINS = LIE
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:36 AM
Jul 2012

So, candidate Collins is either a misinformed dim wit, or a liar. Time will, tell, but I'm going with the LIAR.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
38. In the broad sense he's right
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:20 AM
Jul 2012

obviously people *do* die of those cancers.

But far more are surviving today than would have 20 years ago.

And that requires treatment.

Which costs money.

From a purely economic standpoint we'd be better off if people just got sick and died rather than getting better but requiring long term care.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
39. You can get sick and better without requiring long term care.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 10:12 AM
Jul 2012

But it is unbelievably expensive. Without a system that equitably distributes health care resources only the wealthy will have access to the best care. These assholes know full well that their "plan", which ends up with each of us on our own with a shitty health care savings account, will deny all but the 1% access to state of the art treatment.

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
44. Time to donate to Hochul, methinks.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jul 2012

Also, it pains me to see someone as ignorant as Collins infesting Western New York.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
49. Yes, but no.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:02 PM
Jul 2012

Yes, more people live through those illnesses than would have done, say, twenty years ago.

But also no because A) people do still die from those illnesses and B) other nations manage a roughly similar survival rate without such an enormous cost.

indypaul

(949 posts)
51. Speaking as a cancer survivor
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jul 2012

EARLY DETECTION is the best form of death prevention. Despite the
discomfort of a digital examination they can work to ones benefit.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
52. My cousin would like to talk to him.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

Oops, my bad. She can't talk to him, or anyone else, because she died in her 50s from breast cancer.

Idiot.......

Paula Sims

(877 posts)
54. Rest in peace my dear friend Annie. . .
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 08:38 PM
Jul 2012

You would have been 45 this year had it not been for the breast cancer that took you from us when you were 42. I still miss you dearly. . .

Ignore this idiot. And if you cross paths with him, slug him for me and many others.

Kteachums

(331 posts)
55. Dear Mr. Collins you are very inaccurate!
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 10:50 PM
Jul 2012

I have breast cancer and am struggling with it now. Eight years ago my young daughter was diagnosed with breast cancer while she was pregnant with my young grandson. She survived and so did he but, I had to watch her go through chemo while he was in the womb. After the baby was born she became friends with other cancer patients that were young and going through the same experience as her. One of her young friends did not make it. Yes, there are good stories but, there are many sad ones. Cancer is not curable, yet. The medicines that cure cancer kill in other ways. They kill cells, weaken bones, cause heart failure. My father died with cancer over 30 years ago. There have been many advances made since his death but, there is no cure-all for this disease.

I keep wishing I will wake up tomorrow and someone will have found a cure. I wouldn't have to worry about my daughter (38 years old). She is well but, the medicine given eight years ago during chemo is known to cause heart problems in older life.

The cancer that seems to run in my family is not the hereditary type. They ran all the tests they currently have and cannot find it as hereditary.

I was diagnosed in February with breast cancer. I have been through a lymphectomy, radiation, and now, I am taking arimidex (a pill) which I will be on for the next five years. I did not have to do chemotherapy because a new test called the Oncotype Dx Test showed that my cancer had a low rate of recurrence if treated with radiation and (arimidex).

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