UK Labour leadership: Corbyn awaits election result
Source: BBC
The outcome of the Labour leadership election between Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith will be announced at 11:45 BST. The winner will be unveiled in Liverpool where the party is preparing to hold its annual conference.
Mr Smith's challenge to the current Labour leader, who was only elected a year ago, follows months of tension between Mr Corbyn and many Labour MPs.
The Labour leader has offered to "wipe the slate clean" and reach out to his opponents if he is re-elected.
But amid signs of the continuing tensions in the party, pressure group Campaign Against Anti-Semitism has made a formal complaint to the party about a video posted on Mr Corbyn's campaign website, while 200 members of the party, including three councillors in Bristol, have been suspended.
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The main news story over here. Corbyn will surely win thanks to the influx of new members into the Labour party. These new members tend to be blindly loyal to Corbyn in spite of his dreadful preformance in the job of leading the opposition to the Conservatives.
A major split in the British left is looking increasingly inevitable.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The Brexit morons are going to rapidly become impatient with May who isn't going to play Russian Roulette with Boris Johnson and a semi-automatic pistol, if they get too rambunctious she will call an election on a "fuck brexit" platform. The Labour constituency that doesn't freebase used kitty litter will vote for May if she will decisively kill the Brexit issue.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Heh...
T_i_B
(14,738 posts)So she can smash Labour on a pro-leaving the EU platform and then shit on everyone who got her where she is with a landslide majority. Theresa May or may not decide to screw the anti EU fanatics then. Personally I suspect that we'll only pull back once it becomes blatantly obvious that it's causing serious economic damage.
TeacherB87
(249 posts)Your play on words made me giggle.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Labour is going to tear itself to pieces, any effort to smash Labour is wasted as the Conservative Party already has a majority in Parliament.
May has to look over her shoulder for the strident Brexiteers. If Brexit doesn't mean Brexit or not fast enough for their liking she is going to have to deal with them.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)You can bet your life Corbyn's Labour will get a better share of the vote than Milliband's.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The Green Party supporters and misc. socialist and communist riffraff that Corbyn has brought into the fold comes at the expense of the mainstream.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)The neoliberal Blair riffraff that Corbyn has deposed obviously lost the mainstream.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The next Labour Prime Minister doesn't have pubic hair yet.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)Labour may split, that's moderately probable. Owen Smith and followers may join/merge with Libdems, who have similar Brexit outlooks. If they don't join/merge with Libdems they'll be competing for the same political space.
May holding a snap election, extremely unlikely.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)whenever that is. May will try to hold an election whenever it feels like she will most benefit from an election. But she needs a 2/3 vote in Parliament to call early elections so it will require support from the opposition parties, including Labour.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)In any event, Corbyn's hardliners would probably welcome an election so they can "primary" the sane Labour MPs.
StevieM
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There is no reason to think that will happen.
I am note sure how MPs get "primaried" but I don't see Corbyn doing that. I think that he just wants to take his shot at winning the GE.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The nomination process isn't all that different, the voting is though and Corbyn's merry band of idiots seem to have the numbers on their side.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)The Corbyn haters on this site are completely divorced from reality - not unlike the Blairites who attempted this party coup.
Labour has improved on its share of the vote in every election under Corbyn. That's reality.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If an election were held today Labour would be all but wiped out.
MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)T_i_B
(14,738 posts)The group, composed of voters, were considered too right-wing to fit with the future direction of the party and had to go.
For Labour to be a true, radical, socialist alternative then the voters just had to go, spokesman Simon Williams told us.
They just keep coming back to us and weve had to keep driving them away again, but this time were confident were rid of them for good.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)The UK will be able to achiever there what Sanders was trying to achieve here! Same dynamics, the establishment tried so hard to derail Corbyn, but he won anyway. If Labour runs on that platform in the next elections they'll definitely trash the Tories! Way to go!!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)If Labour has to face a anti-Brexit Conservative leader in the next election, the Labour Party will be fortunate to win fifty seats with Corbyn's nonsense.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Great satirical news site...
Back to the results... Corbin's victory this year is greater than his victory in 2015 - pretty remarkable when you consider all the Labor MPs efforts to skew the election in their direction. So it seems to me the Labor MPs who tried so hard to remove Corbin may need to think about who modern labor voters are. Apparently they aren't "Tory Lite" enthusiasts.
T_i_B
(14,738 posts)Corbyn has his section of fanatical support (who have joined Labour en masse after his election, which is why he won this time) but beyond that he really is not popular with normal folk.
What's worse is that the major issue is not his left wingery but his proven incompetence!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)If by "moderates" you mean the typical Tory-lite politicians that routinely compromise progressive agendas here in the US, then GOOD RIDDANCE! Hopefully they can do in the UK what we cannot in the US.
T_i_B
(14,738 posts)Go and take a look at the UK polls. Corbyn is heading for a landslide loss. He has his creepy cultist following but isn't taken seriously outside the "Momentum" bubble. Largely because his supporters are mainly people like yourself far more interested in finding heretics than winning converts or getting the basics right.
I used to be an "ideological purity" sort myself. Until I realised that ideological purity doesn't pay the rent or feed a family.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Would favor things such as renationalizing the rail system and many similar "socialist" measures. Corbyn is exactly about recouping some of the wealth that the elites have sucked out of struggling UK citizens. Winds have been changing, buddy.
T_i_B
(14,738 posts)As somebody who's been a London rail commuter, I honestly don't think railway renationisation is going to win the votes of railway commuters. Beyond that, most of Corbyn's bright ideas are generally regarded as a bit of a joke outside of the "Momentum" bubble.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)I disagree. I don't know a single politician whose ideas are not considered jokes by their opponents.
T_i_B
(14,738 posts)....are hardly the most socialist in the world to put it mildly. Let's just say that railway renationalisation is either a low priority for rail users or considered the beginning of a slippery slope to bad things by many of the same commuters that this would be meant to help.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)We'll see soon enough where the country goes.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Labour can finally move ahead. The backstabbing Blairites can move back to the Cons where they belong.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Please! Every election since Corbyn became leader has seen a rise in the Labour share of the vote.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Ha!
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Head of Policy for Blair even before 1997.
This is what the Labour membership just rejected.
Same old, same old.
It's also what voters rejected when they refused the brother. And many of them, when they voted for Brexit.
In elections under Corbyn, meanwhile, Labour has improved on its vote totals.
So the only reason one can imagine preferring either Miliband would be an ideological devotion to the neoliberal disasters wrought by Blair.
Or also a kind of star worship, I suppose. I'm sure Bono is all for it.