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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:01 PM Sep 2016

Team of hackers take remote control of Tesla Model S from 12 miles away

Source: The Guardian

Three months since the first fatal crash involving a Tesla driving in autopilot mode, hackers have taken remote control of a Tesla Model S from a distance of 12 miles, interfering with the car’s brakes, door locks, dashboard computer screen and other electronically controlled features in the high-tech car.

A team of Chinese security researchers – Samuel LV, Sen Nie, Ling Liu and Wen Lu from Keen Security Lab – were able to target the car wirelessly and remotely in an attack that could cause havoc for any Tesla driver.

The hack targeted the car’s controller area network, or Can bus, the collection of connected computers found inside every modern vehicle that control everything from its indicators to its brakes. In a video demonstrating the vulnerability, the hackers targeted both the Tesla Model S P85 and Model 75D, although they said it would work on other models too.

By hijacking the car’s Can bus, the hackers could move the seats back and forth, trigger the indicators, wing mirrors and windscreen wipers, and open the sunroof and boot while the car was driving and in parking mode. More worryingly, the hackers could also control the car’s brakes, which could be dangerous if deployed suddenly while the vehicle was traveling at high speed on a motorway.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-model-s-chinese-hack-remote-control-brakes

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Team of hackers take remote control of Tesla Model S from 12 miles away (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Sep 2016 OP
Good luck hacking my '73 Cutlass. Throd Sep 2016 #1
Or my 90 corolla. zonkers Sep 2016 #7
Things like this make me wonder why the government isnt saying "hell no" to plans for cstanleytech Sep 2016 #2
I don't know why these don't operate on the secure Zigbee network NWCorona Sep 2016 #3
What does Plucketeer Sep 2016 #4
Very true but at least it would follow military grade protocols. NWCorona Sep 2016 #5
When truckers and delivery drivers are put out of work by driverless delivery vehicles Ligyron Sep 2016 #6
Wait for autopilot driverless Brinks and Treasury trucks :-) ColemanMaskell Sep 2016 #11
...by hordes of unemployed truck drivers turned murderous hackers? uncle ray Sep 2016 #17
Naw, they don't have the skill set for that. Ligyron Sep 2016 #19
The first guy executed for capital murder would probably put the kabash on that pretty quick. MADem Sep 2016 #21
The first Tesla Autopilot fatal crash was about 5 months earlier, in China FrodosPet Sep 2016 #8
Looks like they need a black box the same as airplanes. Kablooie Sep 2016 #9
They do but Tesla needs access to it as it won't transmit. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #16
If the autopilot didn't get him, that smog would have NickB79 Sep 2016 #22
Aaaaaaannnnnndddd... it's fixed already. Tesla pushes out updates over the air. There's no recalls truthisfreedom Sep 2016 #10
Were they certified by the NHTSA? FrodosPet Sep 2016 #12
Uh-huh... jmowreader Sep 2016 #13
For shame for bringing up that concept. You are disrupting the innovators! FrodosPet Sep 2016 #14
Someone needs to disrupt them jmowreader Sep 2016 #15
It's not just Tesla! Grins Sep 2016 #20
some countries can have 200 passenger 'cars' long distance overhead trans systems up in a month.. Sunlei Sep 2016 #18

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
2. Things like this make me wonder why the government isnt saying "hell no" to plans for
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:17 PM
Sep 2016

drone delivery services.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. Very true but at least it would follow military grade protocols.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:39 PM
Sep 2016

Having all these open ports of entry on what's basically a fly by wire car isn't very smart.

I do get your point tho.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
6. When truckers and delivery drivers are put out of work by driverless delivery vehicles
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:40 PM
Sep 2016

expect a lot of this type of hacking going on in a big way with serious accidents occurring.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. The first guy executed for capital murder would probably put the kabash on that pretty quick.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:45 PM
Sep 2016

And they'd find a work around before it started happening as a matter of routine.

Once upon a time, there was no such thing as "anti-virus" programs for your computer.

With need, comes innovation...

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
9. Looks like they need a black box the same as airplanes.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:56 PM
Sep 2016

I thought they had something like that but maybe not.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
12. Were they certified by the NHTSA?
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:13 PM
Sep 2016
The 15-Point Federal Checklist for Self-Driving Cars

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/technology/the-15-point-federal-checklist-for-self-driving-cars.html?_r=0


~ snip ~

CERTIFICATION Any software updates or new driverless features must be submitted to the N.H.T.S.A.

~ snip ~



Tesla should follow Uber's lead and tell the feds to shove a sock in it. Their responsibility is to the shareholders of Tesla, not a bunch of Washington luddites.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
13. Uh-huh...
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 12:24 AM
Sep 2016

There are hackers out there who would LOVE to turn a Tesla into Christine. I think Elon Musk's company has the responsibility of making sure no one can actually do it.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. For shame for bringing up that concept. You are disrupting the innovators!
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:31 AM
Sep 2016

Noting is more important than disruption and innovation. So quit disrupting the innovators, you Luddite!

The new paradigm on our side is: Corporations are bad unless they can get my drunk ass home without a DUI after my weekly self-poisonings. In which case, leave them alone to conduct business however they see fit because taxi people are denizens of Hades, always late, rude, and dirty, and probably all Trump voters.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
15. Someone needs to disrupt them
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:47 AM
Sep 2016

There are things that really, really need to be done by people, and driving is one of them.

Grins

(7,218 posts)
20. It's not just Tesla!
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:34 AM
Sep 2016
"...the hackers targeted both the Tesla Model S P85 and Model 75D, although they said it would work on other models too."

It's a much bigger assault and aimed at a much bigger target.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. some countries can have 200 passenger 'cars' long distance overhead trans systems up in a month..
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 07:18 AM
Sep 2016

USA gets 300k each, ground based hackable crash cars.

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