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Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 08:05 AM Sep 2016

Michigan seeks to block straight-ticket voting

Source: Lyle Denniston Law News

The top state election official in Michigan asked the Supreme Court on Friday to put back into effect, for this year’s election, a law banning voters from casting one vote for all of a party’s candidates on the ballot — that is, voting a straight ticket.

(snip)

After a federal trial judge blocked the law against casting a single vote for all of a party’s candidates, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit refused to delay that order. Under an unusual procedure in the Sixth Circuit Court, the Michigan official then asked the en banc Circuit Court — all 15 active judges — to take on the case. That request was rejected by a 9-to-6 vote; it would have required a majority of the active judges to grant such review.

A panel of the Sixth Circuit Court had ruled that the challengers to the straight-ticket ban were likely to win when the case went to trial, on the basis that the ban probably violates the equal protection guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment, because of its impact on black voters.

(snip)

The trial judge had ruled that the ban would lead to voter confusion, since there would be no way to make the choice to vote for all of a party’s candidates at once, and that it would likely lead to longer lines at polling stations because of the difficulty of marking a choice for every office on he ballot.

Read more: http://lyldenlawnews.com/2016/09/02/michigan-seeks-to-block-straight-ticket-voting/



Michigan recently passed a law that eliminated straight-ticket voting effective January 2016. Straight-ticket voting had been available in the state since 1891.

Michigan's request went to Justice Kagan, who requested additional information be filed from both sides. She can rule on the motion herself, but will likely refer it to the full court, as Roberts did last week with the NC appeal. If they deadlock 4-4, as they did in the NC case, the injunction will remain in place until the matter is tried, whenever that might be.

Edited to add: The district court judge concluded that black voters would be disproportionately harmed by the elimination of straight ticket voting. The plaintiffs presented a study that showed that as the % of African-Americans in an area increased, so did the percentage of straight ticket voting. Surprise! The switch was likely to increase waiting times to vote, more so in urban areas where there were more people. Also, the state cutely decided to still use a heading with the party name at the top of each column of candidates, which the court noted might well cause voters to simply check the topmost candidate, thinking that would be the box for a straight-ticket check-off.

The original decision is here: http://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/michigan/miedce/2:2016cv11844/311198/25/0.pdf?ts=1469276381

The appeal filing is here:
http://lyldenlawnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/16A225StayApplication.pdf
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Michigan seeks to block straight-ticket voting (Original Post) Princess Turandot Sep 2016 OP
I guess poisoning the water was getting boring. Funtatlaguy Sep 2016 #1
Could it be they know Coolest Ranger Sep 2016 #2
Title is misleading tiredtoo Sep 2016 #3
Undeniable, bald faced partisan politics GreenEyedLefty Sep 2016 #4
The court should force it on the other 39 states that don't allow it n/t MichMan Sep 2016 #5
Better, all states should go the California route Retrograde Sep 2016 #30
did not know that. thanks 7962 Sep 2016 #38
Repub vote suppression. I think there is something wrong in their first sentence. Festivito Sep 2016 #6
I never heard of this straight ticket voting thing before. Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2016 #9
I think it matters most to local candidates bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #11
I have one big concern with straight ticket voting MichMan Sep 2016 #18
We have a straight party ticket option here in PA BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Sep 2016 #26
Speaking of Republican obstruction and tricks, we should be investigating Kansas Secretary of Dustlawyer Sep 2016 #7
Kobach is particularly dangerous because .. ananda Sep 2016 #15
Kobach is a true blight on the concept of fair, universal voting. COLGATE4 Sep 2016 #20
I like voting for each candidate dembotoz Sep 2016 #8
Meanwhile bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #10
If that were true, Repugs wouldn't outlaw "straight" ticket voting ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2016 #13
In their dim minds filled with restrictions and hatred bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #19
"harmed"? Good lord, really? 7962 Sep 2016 #12
Interesting that it is "our side" claiming that black voters can't handle ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2016 #14
Yes! 7962 Sep 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #32
I've "enjoyed my stay" for years, thank you. 7962 Sep 2016 #37
The problem is ... there's ALWAYS lots of voting booths in wealthy white neighborhoods ... brett_jv Sep 2016 #39
Assholes. They are determined to turn us into a Third World banana republic catbyte Sep 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Sep 2016 #28
Republicans are fighting non stop that they are not put into the trash can of history. Botany Sep 2016 #17
See, boys and girls, this is what we have to through in Republican hell MrScorpio Sep 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author MichiganVote Sep 2016 #27
Is it just I BlueInPhilly Sep 2016 #22
I wonder how many Republicans are using blue on their yard signs and pretending to be Democrats. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #24
No sympathy for people too Leontius Sep 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #34
Yep all of us who think Leontius Sep 2016 #35
Im not too worried about it davidn3600 Sep 2016 #31
West Virginia eliminated straight party voting after Republicans took over legislature in 2014. spyker29 Sep 2016 #33
Ballot Reality in Michigan hsergott Sep 2016 #36

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
3. Title is misleading
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 08:26 AM
Sep 2016

It is not Michigan that is trying to block straight ticket voting. It is the tea party attorney general. The republicans, having taken over the state, are operating based on their personal greed with little or no regard for the wishes of the citizens.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
4. Undeniable, bald faced partisan politics
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 08:41 AM
Sep 2016

The push to ban straight ticket voting coincides with the EPA task force investigating the Flint water crisis and its findings that the Michigan DEQ was culpable for the water situation.

The Republicans know the water crisis will be brought up as a campaign issue in 2016 and 2018 and will be used to energize voters, particularly those in Flint and in other communities.

We already have a voter ID law and Michigan doesn't allow anything to make voting more convenient, like online registration, early voting, etc., so the Republicans reached for the next tool in the shed.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
30. Better, all states should go the California route
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 02:54 PM
Sep 2016

Candidates are listed in random order - and that order is shuffled for each State Assembly district. It's a little easier in the general election, where the race is down to the top two from the primaries (except for president), but at times you really have to hunt for your preferred candidates - good thing we have mail-in voting available to any registered voter on demand.

(Why do we do this? It turns out that the top slot tends to get slightly more votes just to being on top, and this is intended to prevent that bias. Makes designing and counting the ballots a little more tricky, but the latter's something machines are good at.)

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
6. Repub vote suppression. I think there is something wrong in their first sentence.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 08:48 AM
Sep 2016

Notice, if you will that voting for each candidate is accomplished by the voter when voting a single straight-ticket mark on a ballot.

Michigan has joined 40 other states by
requiring voters to actually
vote for
each candidate they intend to support
—in other words,
by eliminating straight
-ticket
voting.
This change is not a burden on voting
—it is the very act of voting.


I other words, "in other words, by eliminating straight-ticket voting" -- is not actually in other words. Each vote is intended for each candidate when marking a straight-ticket ballot. The other words: "eliminating straight-ticket voting" are not parallel, are not interchangeable, and certainly not equivalent. Thus, the other-words, even the rest of the words do not clarify nor assert in the lawsuit.

The second sentence is also bad. The idea that marking circle after circle where any individual circle could be marked outside its confines, a mark that might miss an office or worse invalidate an entire ballot, is not a burden -- is patently false.

Why even read the whole thing.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
9. I never heard of this straight ticket voting thing before.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 09:23 AM
Sep 2016

We don't have that in Maine. It isn't a burden to vote for each candidate and, honestly, I think it should be done that way so people at least pay attention to who they are voting for. Seems like straight ticket voting option would make it hard for independent candidates to be competitive.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
11. I think it matters most to local candidates
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 09:41 AM
Sep 2016

because local elections sometimes have weak candidates or no candidates

and it is easy at the local level for candidates to masquerade as the
candidate or write-in candidate for the other party

We've had right wing Republicans run as Democrats here while old time
1910 Main Street Republicans that support environmental protection
run as the Republican nominees

Yet we do have straight-ticket voting as an option

MichMan

(11,931 posts)
18. I have one big concern with straight ticket voting
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 10:13 AM
Sep 2016

I wonder if straight ticket voters more frequently skip the non partisan part of the ballot or ballot proposals etc.

Maybe that is why only 10 states allow it

BumRushDaShow

(129,018 posts)
25. We have a straight party ticket option here in PA
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 02:30 PM
Sep 2016

and have had it for like forever.

I can't speak for the rest of the state but here in Philly, it trickled over from the days of the big lever machines where you could pull down the top lever and that automatically selected everything down the column. The non-partisan stuff was usually advertised and was off to the side (e.g., ballot questions). The old machines were monstrosities like this -



The newer ones are touch-surface (I wouldn't call them "touch screen" because they are not screens but have leds next to the names) -



The ballot questions are blocked off on the right side in the above image.

Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #9)

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
7. Speaking of Republican obstruction and tricks, we should be investigating Kansas Secretary of
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 08:51 AM
Sep 2016

State Chris Kobach (sp?) and his voter purge. The media is largely ignoring it but he is organizing the purge effort with several Republican operatives and politicians. They are wiping out hundreds of thousands of voters with common Hispanic and Black surnames.

He swore to uphold the Constitution when he took office and he has engaged in massive election fraud! He, like many other Republicans continue the charade of stopping the non-existent in-person voter fraud by purging the Democratic base. He needs to be indicted and go to jail along with all of the others involved in this fraudulent scheme!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
20. Kobach is a true blight on the concept of fair, universal voting.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 10:54 AM
Sep 2016

He is the number one legal 'brain' behind many anti-immigrant laws and has poisoned the voting well ever since being the number one briefcase carrier for John Ashcroft. He also had the bright idea of having municipalities pass laws against immigrants. He's truly dangerous and always flys just under the radar. He can have an immense impact on this year's elections and yet the MSM avoids talking about him.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
10. Meanwhile
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 09:38 AM
Sep 2016

a not insignificant minority of Republicans think this is a measure
against transgender voting because of the use of the word 'straight'

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
13. If that were true, Repugs wouldn't outlaw "straight" ticket voting ...
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 09:47 AM
Sep 2016

... they'd demand it.

None of that "diversity" nonsense on our ballots, thank you very much.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
19. In their dim minds filled with restrictions and hatred
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
Sep 2016

i doubt Tea Pottiers pay much heed to the nuance of which direction the ballot measure goes

They just hear "straight" and grab onto it like a lifeline

But you're right, if they understood something as "diversity" they'd be hell bent for suppression

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. "harmed"? Good lord, really?
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 09:43 AM
Sep 2016

Are they TRYING to make black voters look like they dont know how to vote? everyone still has a "D" by their name; its not hard

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
14. Interesting that it is "our side" claiming that black voters can't handle ...
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

... a ballot where they have to fill in more than one circle.

Actually, there are still many circles to fill: One for the "D" partisan ballot (if you choose to vote straight-party), then a bunch for non-partisan (judges, etc), and another handful for the various proposals.

Response to 7962 (Reply #12)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
37. I've "enjoyed my stay" for years, thank you.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 11:04 PM
Sep 2016

you have your opinion i have mine. Its not like there's 100 people running for office any particular time. I would imagine people of all races also have jobs to go to if that was really a problem?
Your condescension is noted and ignored.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
39. The problem is ... there's ALWAYS lots of voting booths in wealthy white neighborhoods ...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 06:07 AM
Sep 2016

And like 10 booths ... for every 1000 people in a neighborhood that's 75% or more people of color.

Have you really not noticed that's how it generally 'works', esp. in Repub-controlled swing states? The reports of this happening come in hand over fist, every four years ...

catbyte

(34,391 posts)
16. Assholes. They are determined to turn us into a Third World banana republic
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 10:04 AM
Sep 2016

I can't begin to describe the contempt I feel for the Michigan legislature & Rick "The Dictator" Snyder.

Response to catbyte (Reply #16)

Response to MrScorpio (Reply #21)

BlueInPhilly

(870 posts)
22. Is it just I
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Sep 2016

that thinks Scalia's death this election year has been fate intervening for the greater good? God bless America

Response to Leontius (Reply #29)

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
31. Im not too worried about it
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 03:09 PM
Sep 2016

If you are too lazy to know who's running for which party, you probably shouldnt be voting anyway.

Where I live you get a sample ballot in the mail. If you can't turn off the reality shows for 30 minutes to do basic research on the candidates, then you failing in your duty to be an informed voter.

spyker29

(89 posts)
33. West Virginia eliminated straight party voting after Republicans took over legislature in 2014.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 03:46 PM
Sep 2016

Given Trump's popularity here, I'm now glad they did.

hsergott

(4 posts)
36. Ballot Reality in Michigan
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 06:07 PM
Sep 2016

The voters in Michigan have voted on this issue twice in 100 years and both times voted to keep straight ticket voting....the legislature voted to repeal and added a monetary bill to the original bill, therefore eliminating the ability for a voter referendum on this issue forever.
The Michigan ballot is two pages long, and contains National, State and Local candidates. We do not have the option of early voting, no reason absentee, or more polling places (lack of funds). The average time to vote even if you have a cheat sheet is 20 minutes, now add to the fact that you must fill in each circle precisely...we have a big problem with how long each person will take to vote, even if they have a crimp sheet....almost all of the local clerks let the legislature know that this was an impossible situation even the State Secretary of State spoke against the measure. I have been a precinct chairperson in the past and know that a long ballot means we eliminate the people who have to make a choice between going to work (hourly workers) and voting when the line is 1-2 hours long (and that was a straight ticket ballot)...remember we don't have reliable public transportation in our cities, so bus schedules even have an impact on the voter being able to vote and get to work.

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